Shunt loco 517 goes to NRM

 
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Not to mention all the other stuff that is in this no go zone at the NRM as well. A point that is being made lots of rails, general junk and God knows what else is there! He has been told repeatedly about going into places he should not at the NRM and outside as well but he has not taken the hint. So the only way out of it is to take legal action and who can really blame them you should only need to be told once not to do something.

By the way the cab cannot be accessed now I personally locked it to stop a repeat of this thing that has happened. If you ask you might if there is someone available be allowed to have a look at it close up, but you can see it and photograph it all you like from under the goods shed roof on the platform in complete safety!

Safety is everyone's concern, not just some peoples!

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  monday Chief Commissioner

I can really see ONRSR prosecuting some random from walking around the rail museum ... not.

If people walking around is such a problem, then exclude said individual from site - that seems to be the simple and easy response.  Its a controlled site, so access can easily be denied.

Although, since we are now beating the ONRSR drum and threatening prosecution for trivial pursuits, what does the NRM risk register state about persons walking around in locations where they shouldn't be, and what are the SFAIRP controls in place to prevent it occurring?

If the controls aren't working, has the risk register been reviewed, and more relevantly, the controls to ensure the effectiveness of them?

If you have repeat occurrences, it would seem to me that whilst you have a problem with an individual(s), then the NRM may also have a problem because where are the lessons being learned by the NRM to stop it happening in the future, and ultimately, how good are the controls to prevent it from occurring time and time again? Smile
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Is the NRM's 'active' railway even accredited? I didn't think it needed to be. Regardless, I can't be bothered reading all of the documents right now (or possibly ever) but from a prima facie basis there does not seem to be a case for any form of prosecution.
  monday Chief Commissioner

Yes, NRM need to be accredited, even for occasional shunts and all the rest.
  MaskedRailfan Train Controller

Just make everyone who enters the museum do a site induction and wear a high vis vest, problem solved:roll:

As a suggestion, while the loco may not be a pristine exhibit at present, perhaps it could have been put somewhere accessible so members and public alike could have a look at your latest acquisition?

Must be some way to turn this person's enthusiasm into a positive? You might be publically burning a future president, after all we were all probably a little 'over enthusiastic' once...
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I agree with MaskedRailfan.

A lot of our fraternity are overly precious and very jealous of their own little kingdoms. Why not encourage this guy to get off his scooter and put some elbow grease into getting 517 looking presentable. Encourage him to become a member and then put him through the site induction.

We are all getting older and need to encourage every person who shows a glimmer of interest.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Unfortunately it's a sad fact that such organisations are usually unable to tell the difference between people who want to help and the officious types who 'volunteer' for the purpose of working their way into some sort of power position.  MaskedRailfan's last sentence would hardly be an encouragement to those types, some of whom would have no plans to think about there being any future president other than themselves.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yes, NRM need to be accredited, even for occasional shunts and all the rest.
monday

I thought they might have just had an exemption.

Even so, that still does not change my opinion, that being there is little to no 'legal' action the NRM could take. In this case, I firmly believe the 'could take' is also interchangable with 'should be able to take'.
  monday Chief Commissioner

Seeing were now being quite 'literal' and have decided to enter the land of gaga and flights of fancy ...  I will indulge.

NRM as an accredited rail transport operator, do not have any statutory rights to prosecute.

They merely make a complaint to ONRSR, who have the power to conduct an investigation.

ONRSR gathers information through their investigate powers under the Act, and prepare a brief of evidence to the DPP.

The DPP reviews what it has and then determines whether it goes off for formal prosecution action.

That is basically what happens with just about 'every' prosecution - so when people say, im going to prosecute you for 'assaulting me', that's the process (as above, but with the police in lieu of ONRSR) that they mean without saying it - individuals never pursue criminal actions in their own right.  I don't think the NRM was ever going to 'prosecute' anybody, and I don't think that is what is being said here.

As for people in preservation, Masked Railfan has hit the nail on the head - at one time or another we certainly were all 'overly enthusiastic'.  As people grow and gain life experience, they understand why certain things exist and are done a certain way, rather than a 'just do it' philosophy that can come with life inexperience.  I think the biggest problem with museums is that snappy attitudes and poor communications can leave people turned off, and they go and decide to do something else leaving the whole preservation movement the worse off, as potentially you could have had one of the best supporters or volunteers just walk off and they aren't coming back.  

Nearly 20 years on, I still remember being on the receiving end of 'snappy attitudes' and some pretty poor communications from various persons in the preservation world, that being said - 1) I now work in a position of reasonable seniority with a private operator in the rail industry [so stick to your guns and follow your dreams, if you work hard enough and want something bad enough, you may just get it], and 2) Believe in Karma - what goes around, comes around.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I agree with MaskedRailfan.

A lot of our fraternity are overly precious and very jealous of their own little kingdoms. Why not encourage this guy to get off his scooter and put some elbow grease into getting 517 looking presentable. Encourage him to become a member and then put him through the site induction.

We are all getting older and need to encourage every person who shows a glimmer of interest.
steam4ian

Why don't you volunteer and get down there and offer to do that for them?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Bingley

I am already heavily involved in a kindred organisation albeit dealing with a smaller size but still with some items of significant historical importance.

What's your role? Anywhere?


Ian
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Bingley

I am already heavily involved in a kindred organisation albeit dealing with a smaller size but still with some items of significant historical importance.

What's your role? Anywhere?


Ian
steam4ian

Assisting NRM with articles, news items, proof reading and images on an ad hoc basis
Team Manager for an FFSA Reserves (real) football team (3 evenings a week and match day)
Ground steward for first team games
Barman post match in the clubrooms

What I don't do is come on RP and tell kindred organisations how they should be running their business/ organisation.

But I am prepared to make an exception. Tell us the name of your kindred organisation and I'll be more than happy to publicly tell everyone what they are doing wrong and how they should be doing things so much better Razz
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Are you being a tad "overly precious"

Good to see you are involved.

Ian
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
even I have to admit that I have gotten a bit too enthusiastic and got in the way, particularly in the Adelaide Railway station when I was 10 and under constantly asking questions to the station staff and I have even gone over the top on numerous rail forums at times.

However some people like my year 10 teachers have encouraged me to follow my interest such as trying to get a state government mandated year 10 work experience placement at the NRM or GSR for 5 days during our school work experience program.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Bing,

Ian had made many comments about the organization to which he is the secretary.

When we take down the Blue Eagles this season I'll be sure to come see you on the side line and let you know about it!

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