Councils on track with push to return passenger rail services west of Ararat

 

News article: Councils on track with push to return passenger rail services west of Ararat

[b]A group of western Victorian councils say they will look at a feasibility study to determine the viability of returning passenger rail services west of Ararat.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
True. The last time I traveled on the Ballarat - Ararat service, on the return from Ararat, the average speed from Ararat to Wendouree was 117 Kmph including a stop at Beaufort.Very Happy
L1150


It is a good service.  I have also traveled on the same route and found the service very good. If I recall it was a better ride than my recent experience on the Bendigo Line.

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  Simbera Train Controller

The track between Ararat and Horsham is better than Ballarat to Ararat.

As for crossing loops, there is sufficient for the number of trains. The freight trains go in to one of five loops for the passenger to go past. We are talking about one hour and fifteen of sharing a track with the freight. Compare that with the extravagance of having 90 klms of track maintained at 130 klm speed for just a few railcars per day - that I call a scandalous waste of money. At least having gauge conversion and a longer distance train, the Ballarat - Ararat section is easier to justify.

Currently freight trains are held up at Pyrenees Loop, just out of Ararat to wait for the V/line Velocity to cross over the track. It would be no big difference to cross the passenger trains.
DalyWaters


Happy to be corrected, but my understanding from previous times this idea has been proposed, is that while the track itself is obviously of a very high standard, there would need to be signalling upgrades to allow trains to travel at 130. Not so much a question of better or worse, just what kind of traffic it's set up for. As I said, happy to be corrected though.

The assumption is that freight would go into crossing loops for passenger services, but I guess my point was, that's a highly important freight line and we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we added passenger services but made all the freight on that section a lot slower/less frequent, because pax are suddenly the higher priority for pathing. So I was thinking more loops might be needed to avoid that - but again, I haven't figured out the timings so I may be wrong there.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Well if standard gauge is extended as much as some people have suggested, then Ararat to Gheringhap via Ballarat would be a very long passing loop indeed...

Eastbound (down) trains could go via Cressy to avoid climbing the steepish grades and westbound (up) trains could go via Ballarat because the steeper grades would be downhill. All that would be needed would be a shortish extra passing loop around Beaufort to allow a westbound DMU to run the Ballarat to Ararat pass service.

But I don't know why I've bothered typing this because it would require massive funding for gauge conversion and both the state and federal governments are broke (and will be for many years), so there's no money to spare. Sad

EDITED to correct late night typos.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Well if standard gauge is extended as much as some people have suggested, then Ararat to Gheringhap vis Geelong would be a very long passing loop indeed...

Eastbound (down) trains could go via Cressy to avoid climbing the steepish grades and westbound (up) trains could go via Ballarat because the steeper grades would be downhill. All that would be needed would be a shortish extra passing loop around Beaufort to allow a westbound DMU to run the Ballarat to Ararat pass service.

But I don't know why I've bothered typing this because it would require massive funding and both the state and federal governments are broke (and will be for many years), so there's no money to spare. Sad
Bogong

The problem is not that the government is broke - the core of the problem is actually that the super-rich transnationals like Apple Computer, Chinese corporate interests and News Corp all refuse to pay tax in this country and it's costing our government billions.

News Corp bothered to drag the ATO through the courts to get out of paying $882,000,000 in tax; there's been other instances of American and Chinese companies simply refusing to pay tax in this country and the ATO lacks the authority or legal expertise to recover the money. It's a growing problem and these are not small amounts of money - the US fund that privatised and then refloated Myer owes the ATO $750,000,000 or so and they're simply refusing to pay. Chinese companies with substantial interests in our power and gas industries use elaborate off-shore schemes to avoid paying any tax at all on the money they take out of our country.

Our tax system is failing us - we don't collect money properly from those mega-wealthy corporations and individuals who can most afford to pay.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The problem is not that the government is broke - the core of the problem is actually that the super-rich transnationals like Apple Computer, Chinese corporate interests and News Corp all refuse to pay tax in this country and it's costing our government billions.
don_dunstan

Too right.  Apple has paid just $193 million in tax on $27 billion in revenue in this country since 2002.  Scandalous.

Getting back to the topic, I think that making Mildura SG would be the necessary catalyst for regular SG VLine passenger services beyond Ballarat - primarily because Mildura freight would be best directed the short way to Geelong-Melbourne (i.e. through Maryborough & Ballarat), instead of via Ararat.  That would mean Maryborough, a future Ballarat-Geelong service, and Ararat-Horsham passenger services would be SG.  That of course would also mean a fair bit of Dual Gauge shenanigans around Ballarat station.

The question of Ballarat-Ararat becoming SG would be preferable, but not absolutely necessary.  i.e. Horsham SG trains timetabled to coincide with BG train at Ararat, with the SG train travelling on to Geelong and Melbourne where it would be serviced etc.
  a hat with a toucan Station Master

The focus shouldnt be extending services past ararat, it should be creating  another station between beaufort and ballerrat or even better, electrifying deer park. Why is this a problem anyway? all they would hae to do is make more vlines go to horsham possibly via the geelong line.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
The focus shouldnt be extending services past ararat, it should be creating  another station between beaufort and ballerrat or even better, electrifying deer park. Why is this a problem anyway? all they would hae to do is make more vlines go to horsham possibly via the geelong line.
a hat with a toucan
Lack of rollingstock and (possibly) a lack of train paths.
  a hat with a toucan Station Master

How much rolling stock does v line have anyway? do the people in charge of the melbourne-adelade link have enough trains to regualy service horsham?
  a hat with a toucan Station Master

How much rolling stock does v line have anyway? do the people in charge of the melbourne-adelade link have enough trains to regualy service horsham?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
How much rolling stock does v line have anyway? do the people in charge of the melbourne-adelade link have enough trains to regualy service horsham?
a hat with a toucan
It's more the case the Victorian Government does not have the public funds to throw at such a service, as their are no votes to win for them (that's both sides of Government too)
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Well if standard gauge is extended as much as some people have suggested, then Ararat to Gheringhap via Ballarat would be a very long passing loop indeed...

Eastbound (down) trains could go via Cressy to avoid climbing the steepish grades and westbound (up) trains could go via Ballarat because the steeper grades would be downhill. All that would be needed would be a shortish extra passing loop around Beaufort to allow a westbound DMU to run the Ballarat to Ararat pass service.

But I don't know why I've bothered typing this because it would require massive funding for gauge conversion and both the state and federal governments are broke (and will be for many years), so there's no money to spare. Sad

EDITED to correct late night typos.
Bogong
The Governments are not broke. The Last State Government was about to blow $8 Billion on a road, this Govt $9 Billion on Rail. The money is there and any budget deficit can be recouped if they made multi nationals pay their proper share in tax and get rid of this negative gearing crap.

Anyway we should forget servicing anything West of Ararat with regular rail services, the population just isn't there.

Michael

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