Clearways II

 
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The 15 or so Clearways I projected weren't all finished, but IMHO, the ones that have, are useful and worthwhile.

Are there any uncompleted CW1 projects that should be restarted?

Are there any new CW2 projects that should be done?

Some that should be done include:

* Lengthen Short Platforms, such as
** Leura [SP7]

* Higher speed turnouts
** St Marys - Down Slow - Down Main at Penrith end
** St Marys - Up Main - Up Slow at Penrith end
** West Ryde - Up Slow - Up Main
** West Ryde - Down Main - Down Fast

St Marys - Penrith Quadruplication

Replace stabling at Penrith with stabling at Emu Plains.

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  FullSeries Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The Up Main to Up Suburban, and Down Suburban to Down Main at both Illawarra Junction and Homebush East Junction should be made high speed. Seeing as there is numerous trains timetabled to use these every day.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The Up Main to Up Suburban, and Down Suburban to Down Main at both Illawarra Junction and Homebush East Junction should be made high speed. Seeing as there is numerous trains timetabled to use these every day.
FullSeries

Worthwhile, but not necessarily as easy as it may seem.

Would need ladder crossovers as diamond crossings cannot be made much finer that about 1 in 8.25 or 1 in 10.5.

Unless "switched diamonds" are provided, but these should be avoided as much as possible as they wear worse than simple turnouts.

At least the site is straight and possibly level.

Ashfield had its crossovers with diamonds replaced with ladder crossovers when resignalled c1980.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
* Lengthen Short Platforms, such as
** Leura [SP7]
awsgc24

For the benefit of 50% or less of total services?
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

St Marys - Penrith Quadruplication

Replace stabling at Penrith with stabling at Emu Plains.
awsgc24

both project's have been started and pulled.  emu plains stables just need money.

the Quad will not be done in any life time. four costly items need to be fixed 1 bridge , 2 stations and a place to put the train in the city. the stations where planned to have 4 tracks but have lost this option over the years.
  PKBeam Locomotive Driver

Location: Somewhere in NSW
St Marys - Penrith Quadruplication
awsgc24

I don't think that's possible without spending a ton of money. You'd either have to build a tunnel or demolish a carpark and redesign Kingswood station.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
I don't think that's possible without spending a ton of money. You'd either have to build a tunnel or demolish a carpark and redesign Kingswood station.
PKBeam


If this is a problem, extend the Quad from St Marys to just Werrington, or even the proposed station at Werrington West for the TAFE College.

Include high speed turnouts as mentioned above.

Quad on the North has been done in dribs and draps, including now the NSFC ETTT, and North Strathfield Dive.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

If this is a problem, extend the Quad from St Marys to just Werrington, or even the proposed station at Werrington West for the TAFE College.

awsgc24

the tone of money required is for the rail bridge across Wianamatta creek. the work was stoped in the 70 or 80's ( not shore of the year ) but most of the earth works for track at werrington and kingswood started after the temp works on the stations was done.

after 10 year's most of the work was filled in an both stations fixed up as a two line basic station. with the lifts and car park upgrade's theres going to be a bigger bill to undo the work to covert werrington station back to a 4 track station.

track and signal can de done west of werrington station to penrith with small change's to kingswood station ( ramp and carpark removal) and some changes to rail at penrith with a new platform ( also moving the yard to emu plains)

as for building in sections - no chance - if the state will not build the yards at emu plains there's no life or reason in the the quading the line - same logic goes for the Richmond and carlingford line
projects.

edit St Leonards to Chatswood quad would be in the same pool of quading projects - no funding.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

the tone of money required is for the rail bridge across Wianamatta creek. the work was stoped in the 70 or 80's ( not shore of the year ) but most of the earth works for track at werrington and kingswood started after the temp works on the stations was done.

after 10 year's most of the work was filled in an both stations fixed up as a two line basic station. with the lifts and car park upgrade's theres going to be a bigger bill to undo the work to covert werrington station back to a 4 track station.

track and signal can de done west of werrington station to penrith with small change's to kingswood station ( ramp and carpark removal) and some changes to rail at penrith with a new platform ( also moving the yard to emu plains)

as for building in sections - no chance - if the state will not build the yards at emu plains there's no life or reason in the the quading the line - same logic goes for the Richmond and carlingford line
projects.

edit St Leonards to Chatswood quad would be in the same pool of quading projects - no funding.
viaprojects

The head of Sydney Trains confirmed at a meeting that quadding Penrith to St Marys was a low priority at the moment but it was important to maintain the space for such a project to proceed when required.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

edit St Leonards to Chatswood quad would be in the same pool of quading projects - no funding.
viaproject


If the Second Harbour Crossing is build as a future stage of the NWRL, and if the single deckers are incompatible with the existing double deckers, say 4444VDC instead of 1500VDC, then the extended NWRL trains would HAVE to have separate tracks, and the Quad would Have to be built. Chinese passengers would of course prefer a lucky 888VDC.
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Just in time: second harbour crossing trying to get back on the agenda:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/fasttrack-harbour-crossing-berejiklian-20140423-374iu.html
  tdw Locomotive Driver

How about sextupling Erskineville to Sydenham? They put this in the 'too hard' basket last time.
  fixitguy Chief Train Controller

Location: In Carriage 4 on a Tangara
How about sextupling Erskineville to Sydenham? They put this in the 'too hard' basket last time.
tdw

or we could run all airport/south/whatever they call it now trains via the airport.
  TrainboyEH Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sydney
Doing the sextup for sydenham to Erskineville wouldn't be that hard. The land is there for it, majority of tunnels and so are the platforms. All they have to do is add two more bridges, which one of them is ready for a bridge to be put on it anyway. The biggest problem would have to be the houses south of St Peters. I could be wrong, but even with re-alignment it appears there isn't enough clearance for the proposed up line. It'd allow for the future metro's to have two separate lines. However it could be just moving that bottle-neck to Redfern instead.

But that's just my five cents worth.
  Alfred3333 Locomotive Fireman

Doing the sextup for sydenham to Erskineville wouldn't be that hard. The land is there for it, majority of tunnels and so are the platforms. All they have to do is add two more bridges, which one of them is ready for a bridge to be put on it anyway. The biggest problem would have to be the houses south of St Peters. I could be wrong, but even with re-alignment it appears there isn't enough clearance for the proposed up line. It'd allow for the future metro's to have two separate lines. However it could be just moving that bottle-neck to Redfern instead.

But that's just my five cents worth.
TrainboyEH

I'd say East Hills services using the twin line from Erskineville to Redfern thats underused and then crossing over to the Inner City Circle Line (up Bankstown) just before Central. Platforms 9 & 10 at Redfern should be used more often! With the swing of some Bankstown services (i.e. make them go around the outer city circle) it will balance services going through the city circle. Finally some relief to time-consuming trips on the Bankstown Line (which slows down almost to a stop when switching tracks). It could possibly save up to 3 minutes where there won't be need for long dwell times at Sydenham. No more flow-on delays from express services sharing the same tracks.
  clrks Locomotive Fireman

I've always wondered about the Sydenham - Redfern sextuplification.

The platforms are "there" for the project, but coming on the Bankstown Line towards the city, when you approach St Peters, I can't see how it is possible to fit an additional train on the left side of your train when you reach Platform 1. There physically seems to be insufficient space. I'm guessing the unused platforms or the existing platforms will need to be redone if it ever goes ahead.

I've also always wondered why the speed of the trains just outside Sydenham towards/from St Peters is so slow. Is the switching of tracks there rated at a really low speed? I've been on trains switching tracks at multiple different points on the network and that part just outside Sydenham on the Bankstown Line seems to my impression be the slowest I've experienced.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I've always wondered about the Sydenham - Redfern sextuplification.

The platforms are "there" for the project, but coming on the Bankstown Line towards the city, when you approach St Peters, I can't see how it is possible to fit an additional train on the left side of your train when you reach Platform 1. There physically seems to be insufficient space. I'm guessing the unused platforms or the existing platforms will need to be redone if it ever goes ahead.

I've also always wondered why the speed of the trains just outside Sydenham towards/from St Peters is so slow. Is the switching of tracks there rated at a really low speed? I've been on trains switching tracks at multiple different points on the network and that part just outside Sydenham on the Bankstown Line seems to my impression be the slowest I've experienced.
clrks

20Km/h speed boards from memory
  8603 Locomotive Driver

Location: Canberra
20Km/h speed boards from memory
seb2351


25km/h when leaving Sydenham station towards St Peters and 20km/h when entering Sydenham from St Peters. But yes, very slow despite the city bound switch being on concrete tiles.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
20Km/h speed boards from memory
seb2351


If the Bankstown Junction turnouts were shifted a few 100m northwards, X80 turnouts could be installed on straight track.

The Up Banko track might have to be build partly over the stormwater drain.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
A few Liberal transport proposals of "Clearways" size are mentioned in today's Telegraph.

This is apart from $1b projects like the Parramatta-Macquarie Uni light rail.

Projects include:
* Rhodes ferry wharf, etc.
* new ferries
* improved or more 1500VDC substations, such as Lindfield
* improved signalling, though it is not said where

* I thought that I read somewhere about a fifth track/platform at busy Parramatta
** Since signal spacing through Parramatta is not better at this station than elsewhere nearway, headway would be made worse by longer than normal dwell times at this station. Addition signals with extra aspects (Low Speeds and Premilinary Mediums) would be desirable.

* There would be many places where higher speed turnouts would be helpful.

* There are still a lot of places where Preliminary Mediums and Junction Repeaters (like Birrong) would be helpful.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney

* I thought that I read somewhere about a fifth track/platform at busy Parramatta
awsgc24

The fifth track/platform was reported in the SMH of 10 March on page 5. It would have to be a P0 (Fast tracks) or P5 (Slow Tracks).
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
The fifth track/platform was reported in the SMH of 10 March on page 5. It would have to be a P0 (Fast tracks) or P5 (Slow Tracks).
awsgc24
Where would you put it?

Dave
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Where would you put it?

Dave
thadocta
My question too...
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

A few Liberal transport proposals of "Clearways" size are mentioned in today's Telegraph.

This is apart from $1b projects like the Parramatta-Macquarie Uni light rail.

Projects include:
awsgc24
the projects are old and are posted on the transport NSW site. As the NSW government is in care taker mode they cannot post on the NSW GOV sites.

the only problem is what is going to happen with Parramatta light rail. it's not locked in as yet.

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