Mildura Standard Gauge conversion

 
  VicRailNews Station Master

@GherinhgapLoop is reporting that this train, empty, refuelled at Gheringhap Loop today.  

Is it correct that the train was empty on the way back down?  Was this a dry run only?
james.au

The train number was 7729V which means 92XX numbers are now not being used or is this because of routing via Ararat which I assume did happen?

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2094050.htm#2094050

So we have seen a train over the line between Ararat and Maryborough?

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
The 77xx numbers are for the western lines.
91xx are for the routes though Ballarat.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

According to GheringhapLoop, "it was a loaded train on the up at 0758 and did not get back to Ghap (after unloading?) at almost 1200."
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
According to GheringhapLoop, "it was a loaded train on the up at 0758 and did not get back to Ghap (after unloading?) at almost 1200."
Inland_Sailor
Ah ok makes sense.  Went through loaded, emptied, then came back through.
  fc110 Station Master

At the moment, the two grain trains who have used the line are having to rely on manually operated road crossings. The wires are not connected. The last one sat outside my place waiting for the crossing guard to turn up for about 10 minutes, and the crossings were left on for about 15 minutes afterwards. Presumably after a bit of settling of the track, they will run the tamper(s) over the entire track again?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
A slight tangent here, does anyone know if the rail tractor that was at Donald to shunt the PeaCo siding is being gauge converted and returned to Donald to continue it's duties?
And have any other rail tractors been gauge converted?
Donald
A reply to one of my own questions.

The rail tractor is to be returned to Donald as a standard gauge RT.   The new wheels for it have just arrived in Melbourne.

As to the second question, I can't think of anywhere else that would have used a standard gauge RT.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Loaded grain train heading south through Donald at the moment.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
A slight tangent here, does anyone know if the rail tractor that was at Donald to shunt the PeaCo siding is being gauge converted and returned to Donald to continue it's duties?
And have any other rail tractors been gauge converted?
A reply to one of my own questions.

The rail tractor is to be returned to Donald as a standard gauge RT.   The new wheels for it have just arrived in Melbourne.

As to the second question, I can't think of anywhere else that would have used a standard gauge RT.
Donald
According to Vicsig, at least 3 have ventured North Of The Border on standard gauge - 2x were used during the construction of the Epping-Chatswood line in Sydney and one is/was a shunter at Port Kembla.
  M636C Minister for Railways

A slight tangent here, does anyone know if the rail tractor that was at Donald to shunt the PeaCo siding is being gauge converted and returned to Donald to continue it's duties?
And have any other rail tractors been gauge converted?
A reply to one of my own questions.

The rail tractor is to be returned to Donald as a standard gauge RT.   The new wheels for it have just arrived in Melbourne.

As to the second question, I can't think of anywhere else that would have used a standard gauge RT.
According to Vicsig, at least 3 have ventured North Of The Border on standard gauge - 2x were used during the construction of the Epping-Chatswood line in Sydney and one is/was a shunter at Port Kembla.
LancedDendrite
There is an RT preserved in SCT colours at Laverton.
It was on track there, so must be standard gauge.
It must have been used at the very beginning of operation there, like the NSW X200.

Peter
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do we know if the line from Ouyen to the SA border has been converted as yet?
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Do we know if the line from Ouyen to the SA border has been converted as yet?
bevans
Work was meant to start either this week or next week depending on the progress of other works across the project, from what I have been told.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Do we know if the line from Ouyen to the SA border has been converted as yet?
bevans
The gauge conversion will only go as far as Murrayville
  Carnot Minister for Railways

So according to this RP article Maryborough-Ballarat will be dual gauge with 100 km/h running on BG.  Obviously V/Line don't want to play with more Standard Gauge train sets...

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/northwest-rail-alliance-meets-jacinta-allan-s-office

"The committee asked about the line between Ballarat and Maryborough, which we were told a formal decision has been made to Dual Gauge this section.  However, passenger trains will be permitted to run at up to 100km/h"
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Well, technically the decision had already been made when the business case etc was produced.  There will need to be a decision to make to not make it DG, ie make it SG only....

THe 100kph thing, it would be good to see the engineering report that supports this.

Also, ill wait till an official announcement before i fully accept this article.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The BG 80 km/h thing was humbug and if this can now suddenly be 100 km/h proves it.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The BG 80 km/h thing was humbug and if this can now suddenly be 100 km/h proves it.
YM-Mundrabilla

If I recall....and I believe generally speaking the same rails are in place now as was the case 30 years ago, The Vinelander used to travel at 80km/h between Ballarat and Mildura, however the speed limit of the track was 90km/h. Not sure of the operating speed of the Sunraysia without the sleeping cars, but I think for consistency, it travelled at the same speed anyway.

But because of the weight of the Ex Overland sleeping cars, the train operated at 80km/h. Happy to stand corrected though.

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The BG 80 km/h thing was humbug and if this can now suddenly be 100 km/h proves it.

If I recall....and I believe generally speaking the same rails are in place now as was the case 30 years ago, The Vinelander used to travel at 80km/h between Ballarat and Mildura, however the speed limit of the track was 90km/h. Not sure of the operating speed of the Sunraysia without the sleeping cars, but I think for consistency, it travelled at the same speed anyway.

But because of the weight of the Ex Overland sleeping cars, the train operated at 80km/h. Happy to stand corrected though.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Sorry if I was not clear. I was referring to the 80 km/h restriction on BG trains on dual gauge track.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Sorry if I was not clear. I was referring to the 80 km/h restriction on BG trains on dual gauge track.
YM-Mundrabilla

The 80Km/h speed limit of DG track WILL be lifted to 100Km/h when the DG is constructed from Maryborough to Ballarat, though I'm not sure if it will be DG from Ballarat to Gheringhap, if so I imagine the 100km/h limit will apply.

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Sorry if I was not clear. I was referring to the 80 km/h restriction on BG trains on dual gauge track.

The 80Km/h speed limit of DG track WILL be lifted to 100Km/h when the DG is constructed from Maryborough to Ballarat, though I'm not sure if it will be DG from Ballarat to Gheringhap, if so I imagine the 100km/h limit will apply.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Thanks Mike.
Makes one wonder about the validity of the original 80 km/h limit for BG on DG track.
Perhaps the 80 km/h rubber stamp got loose that day. Smile
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Just an update on the MBRP, nothing we haven't seen or commented on;

https://www.murraybasinrailproject.com.au/news - link to the news section.

They have done quite a reasonable job of keeping, the info updated, to the general public.

BigShunter.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Will it be a ‘Claytons’ 100 kph, ie 100 kph on the straight and 80 kph on curves? Are they restricted to timber sleepers? Are the VLocity wheel flanges up to it?  An awful lot of money and complexity for 2 VLocitys a day each-way (total 4).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Will it be a ‘Claytons’ 100 kph, ie 100 kph on the straight and 80 kph on curves? Are they restricted to timber sleepers? Are the VLocity wheel flanges up to it?  An awful lot of money and complexity for 2 VLocitys a day each-way (total 4).
kitchgp

Two years ago your comment may have read...

Will it be a ‘Claytons’ 100 kph, ie 100 kph on the straight and 80 kph on curves? Are they restricted to timber sleepers? Are the VLocity wheel flanges up to it?  An awful lot of money and complexity for 1 VLocity a day each-way (total 2).

Timetables are never set in stone and are...these days at least, always increasing in service frequency...

Mike.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Overcome by rotating VLocitys through SG.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Will it be a ‘Claytons’ 100 kph, ie 100 kph on the straight and 80 kph on curves? Are they restricted to timber sleepers? Are the VLocity wheel flanges up to it?  An awful lot of money and complexity for 2 VLocitys a day each-way (total 4).
kitchgp
What are the speed limits now?
They should be no lower in the future with dual gauge.

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