Crossings that will NEVER be grade seperated

 
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I tried walking the old Kew line some time ago when I was working in the area myself - it's hard to find where it initially branches off behind Glenferrie Oval but then it's easy to pick it up again through Hawthorn and Kew where it eventually forms the VicRoads carpark and office building.

Apparently that will all be demolished in the next few years as they move the entire bureaucracy to Ballarat and the State government sells up to build more luxury apartments on the site. There's a chronic shortage of luxury apartments in that area, don't you know! Wink
don_dunstan

Do you prefer the seedy motel they also built on the site of the Kew line?

As long as they don't demolish any heritage buildings or overshadow backyards, let them put up flats on any industrial or office site they like. It reduces the speed of Melbourne's outward sprawl and if the the land is owned by the Crown, then the government gets a bit more cash to spend on hospitals, police, schools, debt reduction and other worthy stuff.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Do you prefer the seedy motel they also built on the site of the Kew line?

As long as they don't demolish any heritage buildings or overshadow backyards, let them put up flats on any industrial or office site they like. It reduces the speed of Melbourne's outward sprawl and if the the land is owned by the Crown, then the government gets a bit more cash to spend on hospitals, police, schools, debt reduction and other worthy stuff.
Bogong

I forgot about that - I think they knocked it over last year though didn't they?

Yeah VicRoads won't be missed, it's an eye-sore anyway.

TO keep on track about level crossings - I'd imagine that those couple of level X-ings between Camberwell and Box Hill would have to be removed if they went to four tracks?  Daniel Andrews ambitious policy is still (at this stage) to get rid of nearly all of them in the metro area.  I think I'd prefer targeted removal program to continue rather than spend extreme amounts of money on one particular type of improvement project like that.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There's some property acquisitions to be done through Hawthorn (expanded cutting) although you can clearly see the the bridge over the Yarra had four tracks on it at one stage - someone mentioned in another forum that it was for a shunting track or something when there were yards around that area and they removed it once it wasn't being used. It could be easily reinstated as part of an expansion project; the abutments are still there.
don_dunstan

I can't see how a 4th track In use ever existed over the Yarra ?
I think a new 2 track bridge was built West of the original and the original bridge was refurbished with only one track span and deck.

The Burnley - Hawthorn track section was the last to be triplicated under the triplication project,
As with the Hawthorn - Camberwell track, good foresight see bridge abutments built with the provision for a 4th track (though the railway embankments don't)

Triplication consumed some of the former Kew line easement leading out of Hawthorn.

Does Hawthorn station have the room for a 4th platform on the North side of the station ? As does Burwood Road have the room for a 4th track under It ?  
If It does the disused easement would of been the run around track for the Kew line back platform(used as a mainline platform today)
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
I forgot about that - I think they knocked it over last year though didn't they?
don_dunstan

The California Hotel was abandoned for a few fears, was demolished sometime within the last year.

I can't see how a 4th track In use ever existed over the Yarra ?
I think a new 2 track bridge was built West of the original and the original bridge was refurbished with only one track span and deck.



Does Hawthorn station have the room for a 4th platform on the North side of the station ? As does Burwood Road have the room for a 4th track under It ?  

No and yes.

  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I can't see how a 4th track In use ever existed over the Yarra ?
I think a new 2 track bridge was built West of the original and the original bridge was refurbished with only one track span and deck.

The Burnley - Hawthorn track section was the last to be triplicated under the triplication project,
As with the Hawthorn - Camberwell track, good foresight see bridge abutments built with the provision for a 4th track (though the railway embankments don't)

Triplication consumed some of the former Kew line easement leading out of Hawthorn.

Does Hawthorn station have the room for a 4th platform on the North side of the station ? As does Burwood Road have the room for a 4th track under It ?
If It does the disused easement would of been the run around track for the Kew line back platform(used as a mainline platform today)
Nightfire

Okay, that's an alternative explanation to the one that I saw somewhere else here. The Wikipedia article specifically about the bridge mentions duplication in 1882 and then a new bridge on the north side (as you mention) was built on the north side in 1912. Then they say that a third track was added in 1971 but the critical piece of information was when did the original bridge fall into disuse - was it immediately after the new bridge opened or some decades after? Did it form part of the old Hawthorn yards?

I haven't used Hawthorn station in a while but from memory it's pretty tight along there and they'd probably have to compulsorily acquire part of the office buildings' easement but punching under Burwood road is not impossible; from there the only other significant obstacles are through Camberwell.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
I thinks it's the same bridge all along that's been expanded, ie:

*1861 - original construction
*1882 - duplicated
*1912 - extended to north side, new twin track span, same bluestone style
*1938 - Yarra Bvd, original eastern span removed?
*1972 - single track span replaced on southern side, leaving space for one more span

1986-87, Burnley side, two tracks


Compare with:
(same position, new bridge extension in front?)



???

Here we go:

http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/Hawthorn_Bridge
http://www.webcitation.org/62y7laTPJ
http://vhd.heritage.vic.gov.au/vhd/heritagevic#detail_places;103861

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