Ringwood Railway Station plan released

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mulder announced the below this morning.  Would appear a developer has their eyes on part of the carpark.

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  duttonbay Minister for Railways

It's a bit hard to see on the image you posted, but the "Potential Development Site" is not carpark, but is currently commercial. Mostly derelict now and it has looked for some years as businesses moved out that it was simply waiting to be knocked down.

What annoys me most is that the footbridge doesn't extend into the extended Eastland.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Is there any funding allocated to this much announced project Question


Premier Napthine was in Ballarat last week announcing a make over of the Ballarat station precinct...however he forgot to advise us there was NO FUNDING for the project...Rolling Eyes

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It's a bit hard to see on the image you posted, but the "Potential Development Site" is not carpark, but is currently commercial.
duttonbay


You are right the southern area of the station forecourt.

Link to image which expands the size.

http://aten.railpage.org/webimages/ringwood%20railway%20station%20development.jpg
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

It's a bit hard to see on the image you posted, but the "Potential Development Site" is not carpark, but is currently commercial. Mostly derelict now and it has looked for some years as businesses moved out that it was simply waiting to be knocked down.

What annoys me most is that the footbridge doesn't extend into the extended Eastland.
duttonbay

Why would they put in an overpass when they can retain the pedestrian crossing which is of course out of synch with the traffic lights at Warrandyte Rd and Wantirna Rd?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Why would they put in an overpass when they can retain the pedestrian crossing which is of course out of synch with the traffic lights at Warrandyte Rd and Wantirna Rd?
"Madjikthise"


I don't think out-of-sync matters when the speed limit is 40 anyway. I believe that the lower speed limit will be extended in operating hours, and the pedestrian crossing will favour the pedestrians.  Through traffic should be using the Ringwood bypass, according to the planners.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
It's a bit hard to see on the image you posted, but the "Potential Development Site" is not carpark, but is currently commercial. Mostly derelict now and it has looked for some years as businesses moved out that it was simply waiting to be knocked down.

What annoys me most is that the footbridge doesn't extend into the extended Eastland.
duttonbay

Of course the footbridge doesn't extend to the other side of Maroondah Highway, that was part of the design plan so people have to wait half an hour at the lights and watch the endless stream of cars going past. For another pie to the face, the map shows a pedestrian crossing, complete with traffic lights, replacing the current zebra crossing outside platform 3.

Not to mention, siht-all done to improve the waiting room facilities on the Flinders Street side, which still consists of a rotting, termite-eaten wooden shed from the 1800s with room to sit about ten people, a tiny bus stop shelter at the up end (sits 4-6), and the disabled area at the end of the platform which has rust holes and smells of urine (sits 0, since it has no seats).

Instead of demolishing Ringwood station entirely and starting from scratch at the up end like they did with Nunawading, they just followed Dandenong's footsteps and somehow made the station harder to access than it already was. In the new station, people with a wheelchair have to use a lift just to get to platform 2, which will take a good 3 minutes from one side to the other, just in case the steep 1920s-era ramps weren't enough. And of course, the ramp itself will be demolished and replaced with 1000 steps, just like Nunawading. It just shows the utter contempt the government has for public transport users.

Why is north facing the wrong way on the map? Maroondah Highway and Eastland is to the north of the station, not the south.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

It will be good to see that old termited ridden signal box GONE......................
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I don't think out-of-sync matters when the speed limit is 40 anyway. I believe that the lower speed limit will be extended in operating hours, and the pedestrian crossing will favour the pedestrians. Through traffic should be using the Ringwood bypass, according to the planners.
duttonbay

The problem is, through traffic hardly uses the Ringwood Bypass at all - those who are on Maroondah Highway or Mt. Dandenong Rd stay on the highway all the way to Heatherdale and beyond unless they are going via the Eastlink tunnel. The rest cut up and down Ringwood/Bond/New Sts bumper to bumper at 20km/h all day long like the bypass isn't even there. I think a "no right turn" should be implemented on the corner of Ringwood and Bond Sts, just like every other street in the area (Nelson, Bourke).

Also, is Maroondah Highway being relocated north or something? Currently, the intersection Warrandyte Rd intersection is right at the rail bridge, there is not a 100m gap between the train tracks and the corner (the 901/679/367 bus gets stuck there at the lights more often than not, with the majority of the bus stuck under the bridge) - the map shows it like you could fit a 3 carriage train in the space between the bridge and the corner!
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The problem is, through traffic hardly uses the Ringwood Bypass at all
"Heihachi_73"

I agree. I sometimes use it heading east, but heading west, towards the city, it takes too much time to get from the bypass onto Whitehorse Road.

Also, is Maroondah Highway being relocated north or something?

No idea?
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
The saga of horrendous planning continues! Why develop affordable housing next to the train station, and economically/socially productive stores/spaces when you can re-hash the already existing infrastructure and somehow make it more unaccessible and passenger repelling? It bothers the mind, it truly does!
  V511 Locomotive Driver

It will be good to see that old termited ridden signal box GONE...................... - trainbrain

Is the signal box to be relocated? - next to "Potential development site" between Maroondah Highway and the bus bays.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Nunawading and Mitcham have both been left plenty of room to allow a third platform, if and when required.....................
  shrekman Junior Train Controller

Location: E.R.D.
By not replacing the entire station it doesn't have to built to all of the new standards. Like the 60% shelter requirements on Up platforms.  In reality its just an election stunt trying to fool the locals into thinking that the government is doing something. For how many years have plans been put forward for the rebuild of the area? I dont believe any political announcement in the 12 months before an election, it's all just spin!
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Shelter. I wonder what is going to happen there? Without the ramp, no-one will be able to shelter themselves from Melbourne's weather, whether it's raining with gusts of icy winds, or is 43°C in January with no air movement whatsoever and not a cloud in the sky. Meanwhile, just about every staff-only building at the current station is enclosed from the weather and is fully air conditioned. Even unstaffed stations like Ringwood East and Mont Albert have air conditioners, despite them probably not being turned on in 20 years.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

You are right the southern area of the station forecourt.

Link to image which expands the size.

http://aten.railpage.org/webimages/ringwood%20railway%20station%20development.jpg
bevans


Errrrrrr...... What is being done to the station on this plan (apart from drawing it with north in the wrong direction), a look at the station on google maps, it appears the only thing different is the old signal box is gone?

Hmmmmmmmmmm, its been 50 years since I have been in the area, Heathmont state school is gone as is Ringwood tech, the clock tower has been moved. Ringwood is not what it used to be................... My distant past has been hijacked, Wink.

woodford
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Also, is Maroondah Highway being relocated north or something? Currently, the intersection Warrandyte Rd intersection is right at the rail bridge, there is not a 100m gap between the train tracks and the corner (the 901/679/367 bus gets stuck there at the lights more often than not, with the majority of the bus stuck under the bridge) - the map shows it like you could fit a 3 carriage train in the space between the bridge and the corner!
Heihachi_73

The biggest trick they've missed here is not moving Maroondah Hwy slightly towards Eastland (away from the bridges) and sinking / keeping it at the same low level from Warrandyte Rd to Wantirna Rd and building over the top of the Hwy and bus bays.

People do realise that the signal box is being relocated and that the buses will be going anti-clockwise around the bus bays, just so motorists can't drive through the buses like they do currently.

Hmmm, the 901 from Blackburn turns right into Wantirna Road, loops around the back of the station, left into Warrandyte road, left into Maroondah Hwy, past the front of the station before left again (just before Wantirna Road) and around to the bays. Talk about loop the loop!

Had heard earlier this year $66 million had been allocated for the project
  merlin Chief Commissioner

Location: North East Adelaide
Hasn't this been on the cards for years? I recall Ringwood upgrade discussions back as far as 2011. http://ptv.vic.gov.au/projects/railway-stations/ringwood-station-and-interchange-upgrade/ and http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/projects/pt/ringwood-station-and-interchange-upgrade

Is Mulder just re-announcing an old project initiated by the previous government (and trying to take credit for it), because works are about to actually begin now?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Hmmm, the 901 from Blackburn turns right into Wantirna Road, loops around the back of the station, left into Warrandyte road, left into Maroondah Hwy, past the front of the station before left again (just before Wantirna Road) and around to the bays. Talk about loop the loop!
Bullucked

So would the 742, if Ventura were to pull their finger from their asre and terminate it at Ringwood station instead of plonking the bus in the busiest section of Ringwood Street (even if they do park the bus elsewhere out of service, it's still not the best place to have a terminus).

The 901 from Knox will do the same thing, up Station Street, around the corner and back to the highway, pass the exit which was formerly the entry, go all the way to the other end, then finally up to the station! Then, on departure, all the way back to the exit near Warrandyte Rd and all the way back again! This new design is nothing but a waste of time, it doesn't help one bus whatsoever - the 670 now has to find a new way to turn right from the station and head towards Lilydale, probably following the 679, 367 (380) and 901 around Station Street in a complete circle.

Likewise, the 679 will now have a funny little spiral going on to rival its own loop-de-loop at Mount Evelyn: out of Bedford Rd, down Warrandyte Rd, under the bridge, over to the clocktower entry, into the bus bay, back to Warrandyte Rd, right to Maroondah Highway, left to Wantirna Rd, left to Station Street and back to Bedford Rd again!

I'm sure it's going to be reverted back to clockwise quick smart. How about letting the PSOs take number plates of offending vehicles instead of this ridiculous roundabout way? Every car is on CCTV anyway, and every taxi, and every police car too (despite not being an emergency 99% of the time, just a hello to the PSOs/AOs/station master on platform 3 and then head off two minutes later). I'm sure some moron will still find the station exit, think it's still the bus entry, race up there and cause a near head-on with a bus, all in order to drop off their cotton wool kids ten feet from the station.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Believe it or not PSO's are not allowed to book motorists or cars............
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
That figures, they have no problems taking your name when you're sitting alone at the down end of Box Hill at 9:45PM eating a pizza while waiting for the next train towards Heatherdale (hence sitting at the down end). I'm sure they would have loved to fine me $300 for eating a pizza on the platform though, but they haven't banned that yet. And no, I was not sitting in the disabled area at the end of the platform.
  Westernport Assistant Commissioner

Location: Not In Service
Hasn't this been on the cards for years? I recall Ringwood upgrade discussions back as far as 2011. http://ptv.vic.gov.au/projects/railway-stations/ringwood-station-and-interchange-upgrade/ and http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/projects/pt/ringwood-station-and-interchange-upgrade

Is Mulder just re-announcing an old project initiated by the previous government (and trying to take credit for it), because works are about to actually begin now?
merlin

Not a re-announcement, just the State announcing that the tender for the building works has been awarded to John Holland. So unlike the previous announcements where it was always "we're going to do this.... and then nothing happens", the contract has been awarded and construction will finally begin on what is an absolute dogs breakfast.

So would the 742, if Ventura were to pull their finger from their asre and terminate it at Ringwood station instead of plonking the bus in the busiest section of Ringwood Street (even if they do park the bus elsewhere out of service, it's still not the best place to have a terminus).
Heihachi_73

To be fair, it isn't up to Ventura as to where the 742 terminates during the construction at Eastland. The ultimate decision when it comes to routing and stop placement falls with Public Transport Victoria.

Plus, where exactly do you intend to place the 742 stand at Ringwood Station? All the bays are currently allocated, and keeping in mind the limited space for layovers, adding an extra bus route to the terminus could cause congestion.

The 901 from Knox will do the same thing, up Station Street, around the corner and back to the highway, pass the exit which was formerly the entry, go all the way to the other end, then finally up to the station! Then, on departure, all the way back to the exit near Warrandyte Rd and all the way back again! This new design is nothing but a waste of time, it doesn't help one bus whatsoever - the 670 now has to find a new way to turn right from the station and head towards Lilydale, probably following the 679, 367 (380) and 901 around Station Street in a complete circle.

Likewise, the 679 will now have a funny little spiral going on to rival its own loop-de-loop at Mount Evelyn: out of Bedford Rd, down Warrandyte Rd, under the bridge, over to the clocktower entry, into the bus bay, back to Warrandyte Rd, right to Maroondah Highway, left to Wantirna Rd, left to Station Street and back to Bedford Rd again!
Heihachi_73

From the concept image on the PTV project site, there is an array of bus bays on Maroondah Highway which will probably see these issues listed above rendered a non-issue.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
It is pleasing to see they still have 3 platforms in the plan. I do not know why when they improved Nunawading and Mitcham they did not add a third platform.
wxtre

Maybe because there's no possible justification for any more than two tracks past Blackburn.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
The ramp leading down from the pedestrian overpass to platform 3 at Ringwood station has been removed and replaced by a temporary scaffolding based ramp.
The rest of the old overpass is still in use.
They must have done this when buses replaced trains last Sunday.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
During last weekends rail shutdown beyond Blackburn John Holland have relocated the old signal box, demolished most of platform 2 and removed its track, replaced the track at platform 1, and upgraded the wooden sleepered track between Heatherdale and Mitcham - it now has concrete sleepers.  

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