NRM incident yesterday during the kids "circus train" event

 
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
NRM serious incident from Facebook:
"A general notice to all concerned and especially our wonderful public - the railway museum will be open as usual over the weekend, for the last two days of the Circus Train event. This afternoon's incident is all resolved and back to normal. Thank You - Bob Sampson Executive Officer".

I also saw this post that I did NOT like on their wall:
"No need to know, no secrets, no harm done, and the incident was dealt with - we just want to make sure all the public is aware that it's business as usual at NRM and come on down at the weekend".

so what DID happen?
was it serious?

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I also saw this post that I did NOT like on their wall:
"No need to know, no secrets, no harm done, and the incident was dealt with - we just want to make sure all the public is aware that it's business as usual at NRM and come on down at the weekend".

so what DID happen?
was it serious?
Heath Loxton

Are you the rail safety regulator?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Are you the rail safety regulator?
bingley hall

One hopes not Bing, and what happened is no one else's business but the NRM!

Are you a member or volunteer Heath at the NRM. Most probably not. I am and even I do not know what happened. It happened and was dealt with by rail safety rules and laws etc so what is really the big deal. These things happen. Trying to beat up a story out of nothing Heath, you might want to consider becoming a journalist or reporter on the Sadvertiser or in the media in general they are all renowned for it!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don't give a smeg what happened, couldn't think of anything I care less about. But if you don't know what happened, how do you know it was dealt with 'by the law' etc? Chances are of it's something serious enough to be dealt with 'by the law' then all that's happened so far is documentation, the dealing with will come later.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Err the rail safety act is law is it not and having anything happen if only minor under that act it then has to be dealt with by following the applicable laws does it not. It was all done as far as I know to the letter so lets leave it at that. It is no one's concern other than those that need to know. As I said I don't know exactly what happened nor do I really care to know, but I know all about what has to happen in any incident etc down there of any type.

Everything is about following some law or rules at any museum like this! Even the little train comes under laws in this state! Not arguing with you just saying!
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
This thread just seems like scaremongering to me, and beyond putting a black mark on a volunteer organisation for no good reason,  I cannot see any value with it.
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
I just wanted to know what happened at the museum. why is it all covered up?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
This thread just seems like scaremongering to me, and beyond putting a black mark on a volunteer organisation for no good reason, I cannot see any value with it.
seb2351

Yes it does seem that way, anytime something moves or you have an event etc you have to expect something's to happen now and again. But it could not have been as bad as the OP makes out as the event went ahead yesterday and today. So really the OP is simply trying to beat up the story when there really is no story at all. It happened, it was reported or whatever and life went on for everyone. It happens!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The problem with taking the "minor incident, properly dealt with, nothing to see here, move along now people" approach is that there's a fair chance that the truth will eventually come out and it will have an additional element of questioning the lack of transparency. If there really is nothing to hide, be transparent!

If the management of the NRM opt for transparency instead, they might get the appropriate amount of scrutiny to make sure the incident was handled properly and that the necessary changes are made to prevent it happening again. If they attempt to cover it up instead, when the truth comes out they'll face all that scrutiny plus extra questions about what other dangerous incidents have gone on there .
This thread just seems like scaremongering to me, and beyond putting a black mark on a volunteer organisation for no good reason,  I cannot see any value with it.
"seb2351"
Professionalism and volunteer organisations are most definitely not mutually exclusive, and being an organisation largely run by volunteers should not be cause for giving the management a free pass on important issues like safety!
Yes it does seem that way, anytime something moves or you have an event etc you have to expect something's to happen now and again.
"David Peters"
This is a great example of an amateur safety culture. If you expect something will happen, you take the appropriate measures to stop it from happening!
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

If the NRM didn't put anything on their Facebook page .

The only people who would know about the incident would be people who was there .

But now I am left wondering about what happened at the NRM.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The problem with taking the "minor incident, properly dealt with, nothing to see here, move along now people" approach is that there's a fair chance that the truth will eventually come out and it will have an additional element of questioning the lack of transparency. If there really is nothing to hide, be transparent!

If the management of the NRM opt for transparency instead, they might get the appropriate amount of scrutiny to make sure the incident was handled properly and that the necessary changes are made to prevent it happening again. If they attempt to cover it up instead, when the truth comes out they'll face all that scrutiny plus extra questions about what other dangerous incidents have gone on there .
Professionalism and volunteer organisations are most definitely not mutually exclusive, and being an organisation largely run by volunteers should not be cause for giving the management a free pass on important issues like safety!
This is a great example of an amateur safety culture. If you expect something will happen, you take the appropriate measures to stop it from happening!
"justapassenger"
Correct, I work in a professional business that takes safety seriously. We don't expect and merely accept that things happen, we plan events and have everyone in the job knowing what's happening that we don't have 'accidents'.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Trial by internet with the mob presiding does not equate to appropriate scrutiny.
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
I had a discussion with a management person at NRM.  The word serious has not been used by them....and it was not a rail safety related incident.  I'm told as the NRM Facebook is extremely popular they simply wanted to get the word out to their "paying public" that the museum was open for the weekend....
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Trial by internet with the mob presiding does not equate to appropriate scrutiny.
bingley hall
This +1000
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Trial by internet with the mob presiding does not equate to appropriate scrutiny.
bingley hall
I've never seen it worded better than this. If nothing had been said, then nobody would know, so rather than people attempting to pick holes in heritage railways with accusations of coverups and other such nonsense, why don't people go along and show their support?

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The fact there has been a Facebook post about an incident means this issue an incident is now in the public domain.

So given we hve established this what was the serious incident ?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The fact there has been a Facebook post about an incident means this issue an incident is now in the public domain.

So given we hve established this what was the serious incident ?
freightgate

You have already been told this was not rail related or 'serious'.

What is your ulterior motive in continuing to suggest otherwise?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Only that it was the museum who disclosed the issue not the original poster.

We will don't know what happened other than something did. The more I think about the disclosure from Te museum the more I wonder why they did it.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Would someone please LOCK this item.  What a load of rubbish!!!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Only that it was the museum who disclosed the issue not the original poster.

We will don't know what happened other than something did. The more I think about the disclosure from Te museum the more I wonder why they did it.
"freightgate"

Go back to the Original Post ........
He asked
"so what DID happen?
was it serious?"


He was asking if it was, and in typical Railpage fashion everyone has ASSUMED is was

do you also make such a fuss when little johnny trips over and skins his knee at your local westfield mall?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The top of the first post says NRM serious incident on Facebook.

This his what I was referring to. If little Johnny scun his knee I would not write that on Facebook

Not trying be difficult only interested in hearing what required NRM to write such a thing on Facebook.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Go back to the Original Post ........
He asked
"so what DID happen?
was it serious?"


He was asking if it was, and in typical Railpage fashion everyone has ASSUMED is was

do you also make such a fuss when little johnny trips over and skins his knee at your local westfield mall?
Pressman

Judging by the over-reactions in this thread, one would expect a media release by Westfield, followed by an OH & S investigation, in conjunction with a police investigation of course Rolling Eyes

There's no point to this thread. No-one will get the responses they are after.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The top of the first post says NRM serious incident on Facebook.
"freightgate"


Better ask the OP they are his words
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
You have already been told this was not rail related or 'serious'.

What is your ulterior motive in continuing to suggest otherwise?
bingley hall

Hear Hear.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Err the rail safety act is law is it not
David Peters

As it happens, since , June 7, 2012* no, it is not.

*Possibly since May 10, 2012 depending on what date you go by.

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