50 level crossings to be removed

 
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Buckley Street
We do not speak of that project Laughing
Well at least you'll like what's happening at Glenroy instead. Smile
I feel like it would've worked as Skyrail? The line has always had a steep grade (cue flashbacks to the train rolling from Broady to SSS). Maybe Skyrail would've flattened it out? At least with Glenroy they will get DDA compliance by default
CraigieburnLineUser
I doubt skyrail at Essendon would have made a dent in the speed of that Comeng. According to the ATSB report it got up to 100km/h while hurtling along on its way to Spencer St and was doing 75km/h on impact. A wee bridge at Essendon would have done nothing to stop that train.

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  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Cherry St Werribee crossing closes to traffic permanently tonight, with the new road overpass to be commissioned in the wee hours of tomorrow morning. Existing crossing to remain open for pedestrians for a couple of months to come.

Broad gauge remains closed past werribee station and over the new werribee st bridge. unknown when that will change. My money remains on when the full closure of Cherry st, with the removal of the pedestrian crossing, happens. A bit crap, but seems to be where its heading.

Work continues a pace at Old Geelong Rd, Hoppers crossing, with the motel and car yard demolished, and site cleared. bridge abutments taking shape, as well as the various connecting roads and ramps.
  3088D Station Master

Although Malden on the Victorian Goldfields Railway might not be at the top of the list of level crossing removals it is seeing some work this month. The level crossing on the Maldon-Bendigo road, just a little east of Maldon station, is being upgraded. The Midland Express local newspaper carried an article a few days ago with the steam loco on the crossing.

https://www.midlandexpress.com.au/near-miss-maldon-crossing-upgrade-begins/
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
3088D - your post is informative but hardly relevant in a thread about Melbourne Suburban level crossing removals. May I suggest "Preservation and Tourist Railways" as its rightful home?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

SSR works trains were testing the signalling on the Broad Gauge Werribee St viaduct last night. Not sure if it's sorted yet, but I suspect it'll open very soon.

Incidentally, a 40 km/h limit slapped on BG trains over this viaduct. Not sure if it will be permanent, but I'm wondering if a serious design stuff-up occurred?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Fairly common to put a speed limit on new constructions while things bed in.  Roads often do the same.
I wouldn’t be assuming the worst yet.
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Fairly common to put a speed limit on new constructions while things bed in. Roads often do the same. I wouldn’t be assuming the worst yet.
Ikernan
According to the WON (Weekly operational notice) its not a TSR but a speed restriction for all BG loco hauled services over Werribee St due to 'Design limitations of the U-trough'. Sounds like someone made a boo boo with the design.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Fairly common to put a speed limit on new constructions while things bed in. Roads often do the same. I wouldn’t be assuming the worst yet.
According to the WON (Weekly operational notice) its not a TSR but a speed restriction for all BG loco hauled services over Werribee St due to 'Design limitations of the U-trough'. Sounds like someone made a boo boo with the design.
jakar
Amazing.

Does SG have the same limitation?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Fairly common to put a speed limit on new constructions while things bed in. Roads often do the same. I wouldn’t be assuming the worst yet.
According to the WON (Weekly operational notice) its not a TSR but a speed restriction for all BG loco hauled services over Werribee St due to 'Design limitations of the U-trough'. Sounds like someone made a boo boo with the design.
Amazing.

Does SG have the same limitation?
John.Z
i've not seen a SG go over the bridge in a while, but i suspect this is the case. May have also been done as a noise mitigation measure. Pre upgrade train noise of a night was easily audible 1-2 km away. Elevate the track over the houses level would make that worse.

it is a bit crap though if they are calling it a design limitation.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Pre upgrade train noise of a night was easily audible 1-2 km away. Elevate the track over the houses level would make that worse.
Galron

Don't think that is necessarily the case.  It really depends on the design of track fastenings and the elevated structure.  My understanding is that the elevated structure can actually deflect the noise upwards so that it is dispersed over a wider area but is less intense for the properties nearby the structure.  My recollection is that this was the design for the Caulfield to Dandenong project which resulted in much less noise than the community was expecting, despite all the fuss at the start of the project.

Ross
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

Wait so the Werribee St rail bridge has a speed restriction due to the design of the bridge, meaning a huge mess up for future BG fast rail to Geelong??
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The Melbourne road traffic reports (on the radio) say Werribee Street crossing will be closed for the rest of the Month (has to be a bit more than ripping the old tracks out of the roadway and re-paving the roadway)
  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
Pre upgrade train noise of a night was easily audible 1-2 km away. Elevate the track over the houses level would make that worse.

Don't think that is necessarily the case.  It really depends on the design of track fastenings and the elevated structure.  My understanding is that the elevated structure can actually deflect the noise upwards so that it is dispersed over a wider area but is less intense for the properties nearby the structure.  My recollection is that this was the design for the Caulfield to Dandenong project which resulted in much less noise than the community was expecting, despite all the fuss at the start of the project.

Ross
Rossco T
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/213313/PRELIMINARY-NOISE-REPORT-CAULFIELD-TO-DANDENONG-LX-REMOVAL.pdf

Has some nice diagrams highlighting the overall reduction in noise pollution over ground level rail for Caulfield to Dandenong.

There is a better document somewhere going over the noise pollution standards required for new infra.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

FWIW - in Asian countries (specifically I know of HK and Singapore) noise reduction is used as a selling point to get the public onboard with elevated rail.
  Djebel Locomotive Driver

FWIW - in Asian countries (specifically I know of HK and Singapore) noise reduction is used as a selling point to get the public onboard with elevated rail.
Adogs
Probably be a lot easier to sell here now that there's a decent length of it in Melbourne they can point to and say, "Look it drops noise by X%.  And that's with our rolling stock, so it's like for like."

I did hear (pre Skyrail being built) somebody claim that our trains (especially the Comengs) would be noisier on Skyrail, and the OS experience wasn't applicable to Melbourne.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

FWIW - in Asian countries (specifically I know of HK and Singapore) noise reduction is used as a selling point to get the public onboard with elevated rail.
Probably be a lot easier to sell here now that there's a decent length of it in Melbourne they can point to and say, "Look it drops noise by X%.  And that's with our rolling stock, so it's like for like."

I did hear (pre Skyrail being built) somebody claim that our trains (especially the Comengs) would be noisier on Skyrail, and the OS experience wasn't applicable to Melbourne.
Djebel

Yeah, before any Skyrail was built people were jumping up and down about noise, but as far as I can tell it's been an improvement.  If you play around with a bowl and a mobile phone, you work out pretty quick that in theory a trench would probably be far worse for increasing noise impacts on neighbouring houses than elevating it is.  But obviously it depends on a lot of variables like the construction materials etc.

It occurs to me though, I actually know someone whose job is noise mitigation (though more in terms of freeway noise fence design), but I haven't thought to ask him about it.
  MetroManMelbourne Beginner

Location: Somewhere in Melbourne
Yeah, before any Skyrail was built people were jumping up and down about noise, but as far as I can tell it's been an improvement.  If you play around with a bowl and a mobile phone, you work out pretty quick that in theory a trench would probably be far worse for increasing noise impacts on neighbouring houses than elevating it is.  But obviously it depends on a lot of variables like the construction materials etc.
Adogs
And, would you rather live next to a grey blank trench or a skyrail with a park under it?
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Yeah, before any Skyrail was built people were jumping up and down about noise, but as far as I can tell it's been an improvement.  If you play around with a bowl and a mobile phone, you work out pretty quick that in theory a trench would probably be far worse for increasing noise impacts on neighbouring houses than elevating it is.  But obviously it depends on a lot of variables like the construction materials etc.
And, would you rather live next to a grey blank trench or a skyrail with a park under it?
MetroManMelbourne

Indeed, I'm pretty happy with the overpass and park near me (Seaford Rd).  Much preferable to a concrete trench...
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Trench is a lot noisier, just go to the 109 tram stop at Box Hill for a good experience of the rail noise emanating from Box Hill station a few hundred metres away. Aside from minor patch-up work, the tracks haven't been changed since the station was built 40 years ago so every single set of points has a noisy clickety-clack amplified by all the concrete buildings around it; additionally, the up track through platform 2 is that rough it can be heard in the shopping centre above every time a Flinders Street train arrives, been like that for years.

The only examples of noisy "skyrail" I can think of are the Flinders Street Viaduct and the Swan St bridge, both of which are as old as the hills. On the other hand, Canterbury station is practically silent, the only letdown there is that the tracks are as old as the station so there's some minor rail noise (if anything, some of the noise here is muffled due to having wooden sleepers).

On the subject of rail noise, what happened to the grease pots and/or automatic flange lubricators on the 50 km/h curve out of Ringwood on the Belgrave side? You hear trains screeching around that corner 20 hours a day, the only time it shuts up is when it's raining or there are buses replacing trains. The points at Ringwood are just as worn out as those at Box Hill too, you can hear the trains rumble over them from Heatherdale, and even from Mitcham late at night.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Glenroy trench dig in full swing:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/glenroys-big-dig-hits-next-gear

Hitting the Basalt now too.  Fun!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Can I ask a stupid question re Glenroy Road?

There are three broad versions of bustitution involved between tonight (Tuesday 6/4) and the morning of Friday (16/4) viz:
  • Wednesday 7/4 to Friday 9/4 - trains to/from Flemington Racecourse then busses.
  • Saturday 10/4 and Sunday 11/4 - trains to/from North Melbourne then busses.
  • Monday 12/4 to Thursday 15/4 - trains to/from Essendon then busses.
No doubt there is a reason other than to confuse passengers - just curious?
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Can I ask a stupid question re Glenroy Road?

There are three broad versions of bustitution involved between tonight (Tuesday 6/4) and the morning of Friday (16/4) viz:
  • Wednesday 7/4 to Friday 9/4 - trains to/from Flemington Racecourse then busses.
  • Saturday 10/4 and Sunday 11/4 - trains to/from North Melbourne then busses.
  • Monday 12/4 to Thursday 15/4 - trains to/from Essendon then busses.
No doubt there is a reason other than to confuse passengers - just curious?
YM-Mundrabilla
No doubt other works happen whilst the line is shut down. 2 birds, 1 stone etc. Signalling upgrades, track renewal, safety fencing install
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Somehow this hasn't been promoted widely; the third LX in Deer Park has been brought forward so that work will start by the end of this year and be complete by 2024. That leaves only two LX for completion in 2025, both related to the Cranbourne line and its duplication.

Mt Derrimut Rd

Neil
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
On the werribee line...

road section at werribee st has finally been ripped up re-sealed. is a much more pleasant crossing now. not sure how traffic management is going, expect they will be tweaking it for a while to get it right. An opportunity was defiantly missed to fix a major bottle neck in the town, but as the LXRA has said, its not in their brief to do the more substantial work that was needed to do that. Over to you Vic Roads.

cherry st crossing has been decommissioned fully with the recent opening of the pedestrian underpass. The level crossing has been placed in a permanently active state with the bells disconnected until they remove it (as of earlier this past week. may have gone by now)

WON has the bi-directional running between laverton and werribee restored. Also noted in the WON this past week that the still closed BG section between Werribee station and West Werribee is expected to have some further testing done and re-open during May

Pedestrian underpass at Aircraft station is expected to start major works shortly according to LXRA media releases. Been at least 2 years since the road crossing was removed, and technically will likely be the longest time it will take to remove any of the crossings on the whole shooting match when its done.
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Trench is a lot noisier, just go to the 109 tram stop at Box Hill for a good experience of the rail noise emanating from Box Hill station a few hundred metres away. Aside from minor patch-up work, the tracks haven't been changed since the station was built 40 years ago so every single set of points has a noisy clickety-clack amplified by all the concrete buildings around it; additionally, the up track through platform 2 is that rough it can be heard in the shopping centre above every time a Flinders Street train arrives, been like that for years.

The only examples of noisy "skyrail" I can think of are the Flinders Street Viaduct and the Swan St bridge, both of which are as old as the hills. On the other hand, Canterbury station is practically silent, the only letdown there is that the tracks are as old as the station so there's some minor rail noise (if anything, some of the noise here is muffled due to having wooden sleepers).

On the subject of rail noise, what happened to the grease pots and/or automatic flange lubricators on the 50 km/h curve out of Ringwood on the Belgrave side? You hear trains screeching around that corner 20 hours a day, the only time it shuts up is when it's raining or there are buses replacing trains. The points at Ringwood are just as worn out as those at Box Hill too, you can hear the trains rumble over them from Heatherdale, and even from Mitcham late at night.
Heihachi_73
The Laburnum trench is pretty quiet.

The track in and out of Box Hill, particularly the Up side, is deplorable but wait, there is a fix at hand, a TSR of 50kmh. You can hear trains on this section from considerable distance.

Do you mean the centre platform? If so, it's platform 3.

Re the "50kmh curve" on down side of Ringwood, it's now and has been for some time 40kmh. (Actually, down trains has been 40 since I guess 3 position signalling has been installed) Dunno about the lubricators.

The points at down end of Ringwood, maybe they're hanging on until the place gets remodelled with Bedford Rd crossing removal?

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