Melbourne Metro Rail Project Revived

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 16 Feb 2015 17:54
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Looks like we might be waiting until 2026 before the Melbourne Metro project is completed:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-metro-rail-tunnel-project-revived-by-daniel-andrews-20150215-13fmxl.html

"Plans for the Melbourne Metro rail tunnel have been dusted off and relaunched after years of inaction on what could be the state's largest public transport project.
Immediate funding of $40 million has been made available by the Andrews government to begin planning the twin rail tunnel through Melbourne's CBD with five new stations.
But the project ultimately remains dependent on billions of dollars in federal funding, with Premier Daniel Andrews conceding he was no closer to securing any Canberra cash for Melbourne Metro from Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who rejects a federal role for funding urban rail.
Nevertheless, a tentative opening date of 2026 was given for the project, with construction expected to begin in 2018."

At least it's a start....

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  NSWGR8022 Chief Train Controller

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
IIRC the previous infrastructure Australia head did say the project was shovel ready.  The government should be on and build it.

Sydney has built two underground railways in the time Melbourne has just talked.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Can do Dan...Wink
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Can do Dan...Wink
The Vinelander
Lets see!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The announcement looks encouraging to say the last but why such a long wait?  So far we have seen circa $12b in projects from Dan the Man.  Let's hope he can deliver it.

Has he done more for rail projects since November 2014 that Napthine over a term?

No mention as yet on any linkages between this project and the Melbourne Airport Rail link as foreshadowed last year.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/metro-rail-tunnel-plan-will-include-melbourne-airport-link
  Donald Deputy Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
The announcement looks encouraging to say the last but why such a long wait?  So far we have seen circa $12b in projects from Dan the Man.  Let's hope he can deliver it.

Has he done more for rail projects since November 2014 that Napthine over a term?

No mention as yet on any linkages between this project and the Melbourne Airport Rail link as foreshadowed last year.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/metro-rail-tunnel-plan-will-include-melbourne-airport-link
bevans
Dan has re-announced projects from when Labor was last in charge, nothing new.

He still has a $Billion settlement for a road he isn't going to build to pay for yet.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
IS it just me, or if this gets built does this cry out for the four nth lines from Albion to Epping to be joined by a cross suburban line via airport?
  Bethungra Train Controller

IS it just me, or if this gets built does this cry out for the four nth lines from Albion to Epping to be joined by a cross suburban line via airport?
RTT_Rules

Do you mean via the proposed or about to be constructed Parkville station?
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
The announcement looks encouraging to say the last but why such a long wait?  So far we have seen circa $12b in projects from Dan the Man.  Let's hope he can deliver it.

Has he done more for rail projects since November 2014 that Napthine over a term?

No mention as yet on any linkages between this project and the Melbourne Airport Rail link as foreshadowed last year.

http://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/metro-rail-tunnel-plan-will-include-melbourne-airport-link
bevans
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Crossover
                 Certainly planning momentum was lost during Premier Napthine`s dithering an d changing of the route of the line . At least 3 years of momentum in fact .Not to mention the disruption caused by the unholy rush to build East - West  link that has defeated in the "Referendum "on East West Link as it was described by our Prime Minister ."
                   Perhaps if Mr Abbott wishes still to be the  Ïnfrastructure  Prime Minister he may look again at this project , or be forced to do so by his party members who are perhaps not so doctrinealy blinkered ??
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Certainly planning momentum was lost during Premier Napthine`s dithering an d changing of the route of the line . At least 3 years of momentum in fact .Not to mention the disruption caused by the unholy rush to build East - West  link that has defeated in the "Referendum "on East West Link as it was described by our Prime Minister ."
                   Perhaps if Mr Abbott wishes still to be the  Ïnfrastructure  Prime Minister he may look again at this project , or be forced to do so by his party members who are perhaps not so doctrinealy blinkered ??
Crossover

I completely agree with your comments. The state lost 3 years under the Libs,
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

Can do Dan...Wink
The Vinelander
I would like to agree with you but the Melbourne Metro needs Federal Funding. In the words of my mum, "Don't even think about it, because it ain't going to happen"

Well not whilst Tony Abbott is in Power


Michael
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Soooooooo more money into ANOTHER bureaucracy ?! Dan the man! NO money for this project either but somehow he's expect 1/3 of the money to come from Private investment... Now someone tell me, who the f*ck in the right mind would want to do business with this government after there comments to 'rip up the EWL Contract' because they're apparently not worth the paper there written on.. Like seriously, someone tell me.

Abbott, owes nothing to Victoria, Daniel Andrews owe's alot and that is to honor the contract of works that we're signed under the previous Government which the Liberals did for Labor to fix all there screw ups. People have short memories i swear.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
Now someone tell me, who the f*ck in the right mind would want to do business with this government after there comments to 'rip up the EWL Contract' because they're apparently not worth the paper there written on.. Like seriously, someone tell me.
Grosso
Well, we'll find out when the winning bids for the first few grade separation projects are announced Laughing I'd bet Lend Lease, John Holland and Leighton would all be willing to give it another go.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Has he done more for rail projects since November 2014 that Napthine over a term?
bevans

Technically he hasn't done anything other than talk yet, so probably yes.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Technically he hasn't done anything other than talk yet, so probably yes.
lkernan

What you mean?!
He introduced more free public transport to the CBD!
Burke Road Grade Seperation works and an updated Timetable...
Oh wait, that was the Liberals, never mind..
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Well, we'll find out when the winning bids for the first few grade separation projects are announced Laughing I'd bet Lend Lease, John Holland and Leighton would all be willing to give it another go.
LancedDendrite

Your missing the point, the precedent will be set.
Big companies are already scared to have dealings with this government with the way they have treated the EWL contracts and this comes directly from Lend Lease, John Hollands, Leightons etc... There is now a sense of fear in having any dealings with this government because no contract now, apparently, is 'not worth the paper it's written on'.

If 'Dan The Man' goes down the route of introducing legislation to avoid paying compensation to the consortium, watch the backlash that will follow from the private sector.

Mind you the Grade Seperations works would all have to be given to the consortium to make up for the amount of work they've missed out on, you realize this right?
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

By "scared" do you mean they would actually have to quote a realistic figure in the bid, not just some obscene number? And "scared" they would have to sign a fair contract? With penalty clauses that apply to them as well as the government?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
You need to separate the work programme from the funding. If the EWL consortium members are scared to bid for an $11b project in Victoria this is due to the actions of Napthine and treasury.

If that is true they should come out and state they are not bidding for the rail tunnel and the state can then give the work to a group who are not scared and happen to book a $500m to $700m profit on the works.
  Donald Deputy Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
You need to separate the work programme from the funding. If the EWL consortium members are scared to bid for an $11b project in Victoria this is due to the actions of Napthine and treasury.

If that is true they should come out and state they are not bidding for the rail tunnel and the state can then give the work to a group who are not scared and happen to book a $500m to $700m profit on the works.
freightgate
If you remove the big companies that "are scared" to bid for another Vic Gov project, then you won't be left with much.

All very well for Dan the Man to announce a project - another is finding a company who is willing to deal with Vic Gov.

Remember it was not only the Vic Libs that left hand grenades when they left government - myki/desal/NS pipeline anyone.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If you remove the big companies that "are scared" to bid for another Vic Gov project, then you won't be left with much.

All very well for Dan the Man to announce a project - another is finding a company who is willing to deal with Vic Gov.

Remember it was not only the Vic Libs that left hand grenades when they left government - myki/desal/NS pipeline anyone.
Donald
Its highly unlikely that the E-W cancellation will 'scare off' potential bidders; the consortium that won the contract will end up getting hundreds of millions (or even more) for doing geological core samples and scoping studies in the three months between the contract being signed and the work being called off - that doesn't sound all that terrible. It was much worse for the suppliers involved in the failed PPP to reconstruct Ararat Prison - many of the subcontractors and suppliers went broke when the New Zealand-based consortium went broke and Napthine refused to step in.

If Dan is clever he will use bidding on the Melbourne Metro as a sweetener to get the E-W consortium to drop their legal action. And there's no shortage of potential local and international bidders for that scale of work even if the E-W people took their bat and went home.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Unfortunately I fear that this project will get mired in bureaucracy.  As for the $11bn price tag - would a state levy on fuel be an appropriate way to raise funds given that the Feds under Abbott won't pitch in?  It's been done in the past.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE


If Dan is clever he will use bidding on the Melbourne Metro as a sweetener to get the E-W consortium to drop their legal action. And there's no shortage of potential local and international bidders for that scale of work even if the E-W people took their bat and went home.
don_dunstan

They won't be scared to bid, they will simply have their lawyers draw up contracts that have less room for movement by the govt n future bids and add a larger contingency in the risk factor component. ie it will cost more. Large companies know doing projects in developing/emerging countries where govts change their minds, refuse to pay o delay payments have risk and charge accordingly to do the work. Countries like Australia are supposed to be politically stable and reliable. Hence despite higher local wages projects can often be cheaper. Cancelling a project and refusing to pay compensation is straight out of the 3rd world school of management.

However, if they get compensation is doing an alt similar scaled project and overall their profits margins are not affected then this is a fair outcome for all. Don't forget, its quite feasible to spend 1/3 of the projects cost in the first 10% of the project time line in mobilisation costs and hiring costs awarding sub contracts etc.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Unfortunately I fear that this project will get mired in bureaucracy.  As for the $11bn price tag - would a state levy on fuel be an appropriate way to raise funds given that the Feds under Abbott won't pitch in?  It's been done in the past.
Carnot
A fuel levy is a very common technique in the US to raise funds for projects like this. The US Federal Government also assists in funding local rail transport, heavy and light.

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