The East West Link, a question

 
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Soooooooooo
Mr Dan The man.
Contract not valid or worth the paper it's written on so why are you drafting up legislation??? I thought it wasn't void mate?

Where the contract details you promise day 1 to release??? You still haven't done so, you had 4 weeks to release it before negotiations even began... This state has become a laughing stock over the last 6 months. Whether you agree or not with the project, this fool has made a mockery of you all.
mickamious
@Mickamious

Your anti-ALP bias is getting almost as tiresome as the ALP fanboys out there. Laughing stock just because you think so, what are you talking about.

Let it go , maaate.


Michael

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If you want to be angry at someone it should be Denis Napthine.

Signed the contracts six weeks out from care-taker mode. Wrote a potentially illegal side-letter promising rivers of gold if the contracts were broken by an incoming government in four month's time. Refused to disclose the full business case to the public - which actually turned out to have the worst cost:benefit ratio of any project of its kind in history. Proceeded with the project despite an assessment from Infrastructure Australia that the business case was actually very poor.

Where the contract details you promise day 1 to release???
Mickamious
They can't release it presently because it's still subject to court action.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Soooooooooo
Mr Dan The man.
Contract not valid or worth the paper it's written on so why are you drafting up legislation??? I thought it wasn't void mate?

Where the contract details you promise day 1 to release??? You still haven't done so, you had 4 weeks to release it before negotiations even began... This state has become a laughing stock over the last 6 months. Whether you agree or not with the project, this fool has made a mockery of you all.
mickamious


Despite your 'out-there' and less than accurate comments...it's probably important to have an opposing view...

Mike.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

The contract is not before the courts nor was it before negotiators in Andrews first 2 months of office so that's rubbish.

I'm not anti labor, I'm against throwing away money on projects that we need now not
Later.

Napthine was well entitled to sign the contracts as they were still in government.

What about the desal everyone opposed?? Meh wake up to the situation, it's about being realistic not being biased, I have voted labor before but at the moment there's no chance I will.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The contract is not before the courts nor was it before negotiators in Andrews first 2 months of office so that's rubbish.

I'm not anti labor, I'm against throwing away money on projects that we need now not
Later.

Napthine was well entitled to sign the contracts as they were still in government.

What about the desal everyone opposed?? Meh wake up to the situation, it's about being realistic not being biased, I have voted labor before but at the moment there's no chance I will.
mickamious
I"m just waiting for a usual "It's the unions fault" when the previous administration was quite happy to hand over the money to a company with what is quite likely a unionised construction segment.

If they could get the price of the EW link down to less than half then I wouldn't care so much, but pissing $6 billion for a 6.6km tunnel that wont really solve many problems in the area anyway....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
From [color=#3b5998][size=2][font=Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif]Senator Janet Rice[/font][/size][/color]: "After revelations the consortium contracted to build the East West toll road wrote their own side letter ensuring exorbitant compensation, Senator Rice asks whether the federal government was aware of who had drafted the letter at the time and whether they will continue funding other toll roads like WestConnex in Sydney"
https://www.facebook.com/Janet.Rice.Greens
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller

The EWL contract is still before the courts, being challenged by three Councils. An adjournment is currently in place pending negotiations between the parties.

The Liberal party took the building a desal plant to the 2006 election as part of their water policy. Despite initially favouring a recycled water option, Labor adopted the Liberal's policy in 2007 and signed the construction contract in July 2009.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The contract is not before the courts nor was it before negotiators in Andrews first 2 months of office so that's rubbish.
mickamious
You're wrong about this too, as Ted Hanson points out (above). Tony Abbott declared the election a referendum on East-West and (like you) he then refused to accept the result. No amount of complaining will bring East-West back, the public don't want it.

I'm not sure what kind of a services company you run but you need to just resign yourself to the fact that the East-West pork barrel is gone and you'll have to get in early on Melbourne Metro.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
You're wrong about this too, as Ted Hanson points out (above). Tony Abbott declared the election a referendum on East-West and (like you) he then refused to accept the result. No amount of complaining will bring East-West back, the public don't want it.

I'm not sure what kind of a services company you run but you need to just resign yourself to the fact that the East-West pork barrel is gone and you'll have to get in early on Melbourne Metro.
don_dunstan
As far as I can tell there was NO compulsion on the Napthine Government to finalise the East - West contract prior to the recent election . They could easily have campaigned on the platform of proceeding with the project if /when they were returned to Government . That they didn1t do this shows a real contempt for the people they were supposed to be in Government to serve on this issue in my view.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
As far as I can tell there was NO compulsion on the Napthine Government to finalise the East - West contract prior to the recent election . They could easily have campaigned on the platform of proceeding with the project if /when they were returned to Government . That they didn1t do this shows a real contempt for the people they were supposed to be in Government to serve on this issue in my view.
Crossover
Secret kickbacks !

If the former Government could pull the project off, In office or  booted out of office.
  tom9876543 Chief Train Controller

The East West Link should be built at ground level, if it ever proceeds.


$6 billion for 6kms. It must be cheaper to acquire property south of alexandra parade / top of melbourne uni and this would provide enough room for an 8 lane or 10 lane freeway at ground level. I suppose there would also need to be approx 6 bridges built for roads to cross over the fwy.

I find it ridiculous the inner suburbs residents expect to have special treatment and get expensive tunnels built. Freeways cut through other suburbs and so they can also cut through inner suburbs. Build it at ground level and save a ton of money.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Secret kickbacks !

If the former Government could pull the project off, In office or  booted out of office.
Nightfire

Someone was promised something.  I am not familiar with the area.

Above the side letter was written by the consortium.  That should be grounds to have the side letter avoidable since there is no arms length on the contract of the letter.  This is blatant corruption.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The East West Link should be built at ground level, if it ever proceeds.


$6 billion for 6kms. It must be cheaper to acquire property south of alexandra parade / top of melbourne uni and this would provide enough room for an 8 lane or 10 lane freeway at ground level. I suppose there would also need to be approx 6 bridges built for roads to cross over the fwy.

I find it ridiculous the inner suburbs residents expect to have special treatment and get expensive tunnels built. Freeways cut through other suburbs and so they can also cut through inner suburbs. Build it at ground level and save a ton of money.
tom9876543
The 1969 Transport plan for Melbourne planed to have many freeways cut through the Inner Suburbs (as you propose) but plans were very much on the nose and got dumped by Governments and the public.
  Divine3801 Station Master

From Senator Janet Rice: "After revelations the consortium contracted to build the East West toll road wrote their own side letter ensuring exorbitant compensation, Senator Rice asks whether the federal government was aware of who had drafted the letter at the time and whether they will continue funding other toll roads like WestConnex in Sydney" https://www.facebook.com/Janet.Rice.Greens
bevans
This is further proof highlighting an even more dangerous and narcissistic conduct from Napthine. There are no principles or morale from this 'government'

It's a warning to us all about how far they were going behind our backs.

This is not a government, these are mouthpieces, puppets strung by greedy 'men', blind obedience to the slight demands.

We are not being governed, we are being dictated, and it's not the by the ones who were in government, and now in opposition, it's the ones to whom the opposition submits to and in turn these 'men' dominate us, through the likes of Guy and O'Brien.

Their business with us was spent instead of honesty and integrity to together find a solution to advance forward, creating megaphones and machinations, designed to viciously shut down those who took a public stand against foul conduct and groups/organizations to raise awareness. You all can see this as one example, through the passing of the 'Move On' laws, the laws that Geoff Shaw voted in favour for.

The damage would have been far worse if it were not the democratic elections and the ability to vote down bills. Even with that, it would not stop these obscenities in the Victorian Liberal Party from eroding the principles the democratic system is designed to uphold in every individual.

Now that we've seen the conduct these 'people' imposed on us without the majority will of the people, and without explanation of their decisions, we need to be aware in the future elections what they did to this state. They are still there barking from the seats of opposition, obscenely howling to come back into government.

The longer it takes for people to realize the stark reality of these 'people' plotting with cunning, lust for power and greed at their center instead of embracing their positions as privilege the further society continues to suffer. We will be destined to vote back in these wolves if we are not vigilant in looking under the sheep skin of every candidate who come asking us for our hand.

Today as we continue and as it seems, we have averted this disaster for now, the premier announces the Metro Rail Tunnel is being prepared, but there is the challenge to obtain funding for it's construction, as it is not being supported from the commonwealth. However, as the transport planners who worked under Napthine as Premier, the cost benefit would return $1.90 for every dollar spent.

Meanwhile, the volumes of vehicles of the Eastern Freeway continue to struggle, motorists still having no choice but to drag along without any alternative, the solution still waiting to come to them, a solution that many already know. To the State Parliament of Victoria, that solution is yet to be heard.

When that will happen we are all unsure, tonight as I write this post, the news talks about the government planning to alter intersections in Hoddle St, to create more as they claim, 'efficient traffic flow'

As the state looks on as this term of government gets underway, optimism, I still have, but without any action to implement a solution to the chronic peak hour traffic congestion at the west end of the Eastern Freeway condemns the motorists desperately needing an alternative to suffer longer and as the population builds, the strain on them will continue to prolong further.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This review of the West Connex road in Sydney might have some relevance.

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/council/news-and-updates/featured-articles/westconnex-wont-benefit-sydney

People like Tony Abbott are doing us all an immense favour.  They are drawing the attention of the public to just how 1950's Liberal Party politicy is.  They are dinosaurs and we all know what happened to the dinosaurs.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Quote for the Day?

Major cities across the world are making public transport their priority, not toll roads.

Sydney needs to do the same. Decades after city communities fought against inner city expressways, the threat is back.

WestConnex will widen and extend existing motorways into our city. It is a 1950s solution to our 21st century transport needs. A

t a cost of $11.5 billion, it will divert money from essential investments in public transport that Sydney – east and west – needs.

The City asked SGS Economics & Planning to review the project because the State Government has not provided details on traffic modelling and is shockingly negotiating contracts before finishing environmental assessment.

The SGS report shows WestConnex will not only have serious impacts on the inner city, it will not meet Western Sydney’s needs. The NSW Auditor-General criticised Westconnex for conflicts of interest, a poor business case and lack of information to assess if the project is economically viable. Lord Mayor Clover Moore.
Lord Mayor Clover Moore

Sounds and smells like East West Link all over again.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Quote for the Day?


Sounds and smells like East West Link all over again.
NSWGR8022
It certainly does !
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Quote for the Day?


Sounds and smells like East West Link all over again.
It certainly does !
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Quote for the Day?


Sounds and smells like East West Link all over again.
It certainly does !
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Quote for the Day?


Sounds and smells like East West Link all over again.
It certainly does !
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Quote for the Day?


Sounds and smells like East West Link all over again.
It certainly does !
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
ANNOUNCED this morning: Final compensation payable will be $339 million.
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
ANNOUNCED this morning: Final compensation payable will be $339 million.
don_dunstan
that is more for work already done
  toholio Station Master

that is more for work already done
topher1976
There's also another $81million for setting up a $3billion credit facility.

That's being tacked on to the figure by a lot of people with a barrow to push but it's actually going to be re-purposed for funding the Metro Tunnel. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
I wonder what the interest rate is on that credit facility...

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