The East West Link, a question

 
  Divine3801 Station Master

No matter how much we are told the East West Link in the year 2014 announced by the unelected Napthine Government will solve our problems it was always going to be scandalous and tainted from the start.

This 'project' was going to affect the state financially, environmentally and most importantly as both of these affected factors put together, our society in Victoria.

As already summarized by the previous users here before me and thoroughly aware amongst the general population.

The Business case to explain the decision was witheld from the public, barring us from information to demonstrate any benefits and ultimately to prove to us it's merits and reasoning for it's construction.

As a result the public do not know how much of the taxpayer's funds are being contributed into this project, and even more disturbingly, were held from being aware of the contract clauses written in compensation in case of cancellation.

The environmental impacts were always going to be poor and in the negative. It's the financial gain and benefit that was supposed to outweigh the results of taking over significant sections of Royal Park. Even if the financial benefit was true, as was attempted by Napthine to boost it through the 'agglomeration' methods it still could not reach the cost benefit of Metro tunnel down Swanston Street.

Napthine's most senior transport planners even advised the economic benefits of the Metro rail tunnel stood well above the East West Link.

When Yarra and Moreland Councils took the then Planning Minister to court over the issue coming from the inability to understand the full impact from the road without the business case to refer to, the defendant's lawyers forwarded the statement that the planning minister didn't even consider it. The signing off on the approval, they say was relying on Plan Melbourne which is the future planning for Melbourne he already signed off on himself.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victoria-state-election-2014/minister-ignored-business-case-when-approving-plans-for-68-billion-road-20141125-11tpi2.html

Did he read it and is making it up in court, attempting to somehow nullify, render ineffective the ruling to force it out for us, or did he ignore it completely?

Then in state election period, the person holding the prime minister's office comes down and declares the election a 'referendum of the east west link' and unsurprisingly a threat to the population of removing the funds already handed to the state for projects, attempting to blackmail us to vote Napthine back in. The money, he says, is given to us on the condition it is only used on the east west link only, yet it doesn't produce an economically benefiting proof to us as we eventually find out.

Infrastructure Australia never got the full business case to make a thorough assessment of it. They already ranked Metro rail tunnel as the highest priority for Melbourne.

Despite all this, and everything else Railpage people here have been able to inform us, the contracts get signed 2 months before the election.

After the election, the business case is released, the details are aghast, the economic benefits could not even return half of what would be spent, it cost $6 billion at least, and it would need to be subsidised. The compensation exceeds $1 billion in the clause.

Now the then planning minister is opposition leader, and comes out to declare the premier ripping us off handing over $1 billion for nothing.

The person occupying the prime minister's office speaks in question time inviting the premier to break his promise of cancelling the contract.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-15/east-west-link-victorian-goverment-business-case/5966938

The additional tolls for funding the east west link were even worse than I thought, I would think the toll booths would go back to Chandler Highway, forcing desperate city destined drivers to pay extra who wouldn't go through the east west link anyway.
However it would suggest the tolls are introduced on the West Gate Bridge and Tullamarine Freeway, the east west link would suggest tolling cars $5.50 at peak $4.40 off peak, commercial vehicles $16.50 and off peak $13.20

The business case even made a ominous statement to credibility of the project:

The East West Link Business Case Cabinet Submission stated "the risk associated with this action is that the lower end range of benefit-cost ratios presented in the business case may be used as a justification for not supporting the project".It also indicates that it will increase congestion.

For this kind of abomination coming from the 'people' elected to represent the population the communities will continue to suffer the consequences while the pointy ends of the tools continue degrading the integrity of parliament both state and federal.

It's simple to see, morning peak and evening peak, weekday, we see how long the queues are, we see how far they move in a period of time compared to off peak.

The stress it creates renders people much more prone to sicknesses and injury to name a few, even making us more prone to fatigue. This is already the situation where the people crying out for more public transport to leave their car at home, the unnecessary difficulty it creates and affects their everyday lives impacts mentally and socially.

Once we can offer them an alternative to the car they have to drive as a single occupant everytime they will be able to free up more room for the couriers, tradies and importantly the trucks.

How much more efficient a train can get people where they need to especially to the city from a start Doncaster Westfield shopping centre? Where their every weekday employment is the same location from Home-Point A to Work-Point B

How many people can a train take? And multiply that by the number of cars, that answer indicates how many cars are taken off the roads resting for a leisurely stroll on a holiday where the motorist is likely looking forward to the day.

Then with that number of cars calculate the average emission in total from that number. With that answer compare it to the emission amount to the trains we use here.

How much difference in emissions does that make as well?

Also how much space does a person take up compared to a car? Multiply both of these by the number of people a train will take up and compare the difference between the two.

Then have this train line that can travel from Doncaster to Melbourne Metro tunnel along with the Clifton Hill Loop that can also choose that route so some services can travel down there too.

I am sure there are people on these forums that have a much better idea on where these tracks should be going or add a much better suggestion, some even say they should go along the eastern freeway, eastlink to Ringwood, it probably should go all the way to Dandenong, the connectivity, flexibility would be fantastic, paving the way for a truly effective alternative.

While I see Labor got in because of their decision to cancel the contract, I hope he will make the sensible decisions and in the best interests of the people in this state, but I remain skeptical. 2 months before the election they officially change their statement to cancelling the contract regardless of the compensation clauses, before they state opposition but honour contracts that are already signed.

I still remember the myki fiasco, it's the reason the vote went to Baillieu, he promised a feasibility study into the Doncaster line. His decision on it from reading that statement was predictable, but we never thought that after Napthine came in, they would try and impose on us the most abominable and contemptuous conduct the state has seen.

Today, rendered to opposition, they run a campaign of discrediting and politically attacking the government, whether it's substantiated or not, the intention of it to desensitize us from the reality of what they leave our state in cannot be dismissed. These insensitive egos in opposition feel no shame, the opposition leader, the former planning minister that ignored the business case in approving the project, today attacks the government for cancelling it and reveals the side letter claiming that the government will compensate regardless of the ruling of the courts and uses it to try and politically attack the current government.

We want people who are going to be responsible and respect this country and us as human beings, devoting their time in the parliament making the decisions that are for the benefit not just for the population in general, but always, always thinking ahead and leaving the country in a better position and place on this earth for our younger generation when they step up to responsibilities we hand them when we have contributed enough of our time.

It's been several years, public transport incompetence is absurd and unnecessary, the people suffer from it, they suffer from being left with no choice but to take their cars out to work, when it should be left to prepare for a holiday trip with the family and friends. The truck drivers, tradesmen and couriers are forced to contend more and more with increasing numbers of cars as the population continues to rapidly build up and move in.

The public transport staff suffer as well, they have endure the nonsense imposed on them because the official response from all politicians is that it's the company's fault and they are wearing the uniform. Forced to continue using primitive equipment to try and achieve deadlines and tasks that have a challenging environment for them as they have a low reliability rate, equipment that comes from the decision of government.

Regardless of liberal, labor or another party, we expect you to execute the office in the best interests of the state, the country and ultimately the people you were chosen by and sworn in with the accountability to look after us.

When you clearly can't make a perfect choice, and have to choose one that is best for society, the sensible and respectful people will tolerate and understand, they will be willing to adapt it and explain amongst their networks, friend, families and peers.

Hiding business cases and locking contracts with cancellation clauses setting legal traps has no justification for governing society. Respect the office you are voted in to administer. This is your responsibility once you are in government.

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  woodford Chief Commissioner

Woodford: Remains to be seen if Andrews will follow through on their public commitment to continue gauge-conversion of the intrastate freight network (what's left of it); I'll be impressed if they do in fact announce a program of continuous improvements/conversions/upgrades as the intrastate rail network is at a tipping point I feel - without big $$$ it will end up being completely un-viable. Time will tell.
don_dunstan

The post was not intended as a shot at labor but as a statement at what the majors parties MUST do. Both parties HAVE to stop thinking about themselves but working out what is in the overall good for Victoria and Australia.

If after what has happened in politics over the past few years, labors loss in Vic, Liberals loss in Queensland and Victoria and Federal Liberals making a pigs breakfast, has not sunk in to the the state labor party, then the people of Victoria and Australia REALLY are fools for letting the system go so badly. The major parties do what they do BECAUSE WE LET THEM. Its not "there fault" its our fault, really.

woodford

PS, Good post Divine3801. Although whats divine about 3801, For a real loco lets get H220 running, the most power full steam loco in Australia ......... Wink.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And this from the Herald Scum today. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/get-over-your-ego-premier/story-fni0ffsx-1227254088171

THERE is one sure way to end the standoff between the Andrews Government and the East West Link consortium over the multi-billion road and tunnel link.

Build it!

Negotiations between the Government and the East West partners are entering a critical stage. The Herald Sun has been told the consortium, led by Lend Lease, is prepared to accept between $525 million and $700 million of the $1.2 billion in compensation they believe the contract entitles them to. The problem over the dumped contracts is clearly one of Mr Andrews’ making.
Herald Scum

Hard to believe but proof some journalists and editorial staff are completely clueless. [/controversykeyoff]


Seriously we already know the project is a dud beyond any reasonable doubt.  How irresponsible and liberal loving can a newspaper be?  Know I know why I never read it.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Why would the consortium offer to only accept half the compensation the supposed contract gives them?
Makes me think there is much more to this.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
And this from the Herald Scum today. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/get-over-your-ego-premier/story-fni0ffsx-1227254088171


Hard to believe but proof some journalists and editorial staff are completely clueless. [/controversykeyoff]


Seriously we already know the project is a dud beyond any reasonable doubt.  How irresponsible and liberal loving can a newspaper be?  Know I know why I never read it.
bevans
Oh don't be like that....... LaughingLaughing

The Herald Sun is Melbourne's biggest selling newspaper. All the tradies love it. I've seen them, they've all got it. Aren't tradies all supposedly Labor voters, and now you're suggesting they buy a Liberal biased paper - it just cant be mate.

Perhaps they buy it for the crosswords???

Regards
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Why would the consortium offer to only accept half the compensation the supposed contract gives them?
Makes me think there is much more to this.
Madjikthise

There's nothing more to do this.
Dan said the contract is not worth the paper it's written on which we all know is not true, a contract is a contract.
The Herald Sun does have valid points, Dan is screwed in many ways and the only way he's looking to get out of not paying a cent is to introduce legislation but that would be the most irresponsible and most stupid decision ever made by a government.

The facts are simple even though many here are against the project, i'm not, i'm for it,
Take the consortium to court if Dan's so sure the contract isn't worth anything... All he's doing now is the same rubbish they had with Tatts etc who EVENTUALLY got paid out... The consortium has the government by the balls and they know this and if they go to court the government will lose and be up for even more damages so he's not in a good position.

Agreed with Daves, every person i know in the construction game, reads the Herald Sun lol... And 98% of workers in the blue collar building game (employees) vote Labor and if you've ever been to a unionized site, it's plastered all of the walls that Liberals are the scum of the earth etc.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
There's nothing more to do this.
Dan said the contract is not worth the paper it's written on which we all know is not true, a contract is a contract.
The Herald Sun does have valid points, Dan is screwed in many ways and the only way he's looking to get out of not paying a cent is to introduce legislation but that would be the most irresponsible and most stupid decision ever made by a government.
mickamious
Don't you think it was 'more stupid' to sign a contact of that size with less than six weeks to go until the election care-taker mode officially begins? And the legality of Matthew Guy's side letter guaranteeing big $$$ if they lose the election? I think that was rather more irresponsible but I don't think we'll find common ground on that issue.

Agreed with Daves, every person i know in the construction game, reads the Herald Sun lol... And 98% of workers in the blue collar building game (employees) vote Labor and if you've ever been to a unionized site, it's plastered all of the walls that Liberals are the scum of the earth etc.
mickamious
Because the Hun has the best footy coverage by far.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

There's nothing more to do this.
Dan said the contract is not worth the paper it's written on which we all know is not true, a contract is a contract.
The Herald Sun does have valid points, Dan is screwed in many ways and the only way he's looking to get out of not paying a cent is to introduce legislation but that would be the most irresponsible and most stupid decision ever made by a government.

The facts are simple even though many here are against the project, i'm not, i'm for it,
Take the consortium to court if Dan's so sure the contract isn't worth anything... All he's doing now is the same rubbish they had with Tatts etc who EVENTUALLY got paid out... The consortium has the government by the balls and they know this and if they go to court the government will lose and be up for even more damages so he's not in a good position.

Agreed with Daves, every person i know in the construction game, reads the Herald Sun lol... And 98% of workers in the blue collar building game (employees) vote Labor and if you've ever been to a unionized site, it's plastered all of the walls that Liberals are the scum of the earth etc.
mickamious
Mickamious

If the consortium has the Government by the balls, then how come they have reduced their compensation by at least $400 Million and as much at $700 Million? Stop talking crap and wait and see what pans out. There is obviously a lot more to consider. The truth is even though you and Bogong do not think so, and has been pointed out most clearly, instead your insulting rants, is that the local councils have a case to question the validity of this project which was rushed through and without discourse to the planning process.

The trouble is  and let me make this clear, I am by no means an Andrews fanboy, but you take him as a complete fool, of which clearly he is not.

The Herald Sun is a Liberal Paper, Most blue collar workers read it for the excellent Sports Coverage,


Michael
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Don't you think it was 'more stupid' to sign a contact of that size with less than six weeks to go until the election care-taker mode officially begins? And the legality of Matthew Guy's side letter guaranteeing big $$$ if they lose the election? I think that was rather more irresponsible but I don't think we'll find common ground on that issue.

Because the Hun has the best footy coverage by far.
don_dunstan

Same could be said about the Myki Debacle, Desal Plant & North South Pipeline.
Myki coulda have been done for 1/4 to half the cost if they had kept the original system in place and upgraded it and if you recall the system already worked because a staff person would always open the gate for you with the touch card if for some reason the doors wouldn't let you through... Recall this?

Desal Plant was warranted to be built and advised BUT was advised for half the size we have, we actually have the largest desal plant in the southern hemisphere. It's capacity is overkill for the current population and even by estimate it would take us up to 2080 before it's real capacity is warranted.

North - South Pipeline.. That was a joke in itself, pump water from Lake Eildon when Central Victoria was already in drought? Really?

The EWL program was already underway before the government approached care-taker and the only reason it wasn't signed earlier was because of a serial protester who kept dragging OUR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS into the court system. Yes, he was on welfare and taking the government to court.. What rubbish, can climb a drill rig and chain himself but he's unemployed? I wonder why?

Nothing irresponsible about signing off on a project the state needs and requires. In 10 years time if the EWL isn't built and we start then (it's going be built regardless), the cost will be an extra $5 billion and it will just continue to grow overtime the longer we wait.

I agree with the Melbourne Metro being built, i'm not against it but i'm against building it when the rest of the network, sorry 75% of the network is still running infrastructure from the 70's to 80's but we're going to build a brand new tunnel... You know how stupid this sounds right? Upgrade the entire current network then EXPAND what you have and the system thrives, we can't keep doing this half arsed rubbish because the state never bloody progresses.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Some interesting discussion but loosing sight of:

1. Any debacle is purely on the part of Napthine for signing an agreement which was not wanted  by the people of Victoria.

2. Signing an agreement for a project which never made sense both economically and practically.

3. Treating the Victorian people as idiots.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Nothing irresponsible about signing off on a project the state needs and requires. In 10 years time if the EWL isn't built and we start then (it's going be built regardless), the cost will be an extra $5 billion and it will just continue to grow overtime the longer we wait.
mickamious
This statement doesn't stack up In the world of economics !

The numbers are/were a sinkhole for the States finances (and It was all to be covered up In secrecy and misleading claims, mocked up with pure propaganda)

It's like saying I'm going out to buy a large cabin cruiser boat today, because In 10 years time It will be more expensive to buy.

But do you really need one !!

Report after report states that there are much more needed worthy projects In Melbourne than EWL (witch Is more or less a trophy project, that would be built If the State was having another gold rush)
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Most people get the HS 'cause it's cheaper than The Age ($1.40 v $2.50) and has more pages than it too. Supposedly the HS also gets reprinted a few times in a day, strange that I've never seen anything recently other than their 'second' printing, though the remaining comics with storyline do have some odd gaps.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Same could be said about the Myki Debacle, Desal Plant & North South Pipeline.
Myki coulda have been done for 1/4 to half the cost if they had kept the original system in place and upgraded it and if you recall the system already worked because a staff person would always open the gate for you with the touch card if for some reason the doors wouldn't let you through... Recall this?

Desal Plant was warranted to be built and advised BUT was advised for half the size we have, we actually have the largest desal plant in the southern hemisphere. It's capacity is overkill for the current population and even by estimate it would take us up to 2080 before it's real capacity is warranted.

North - South Pipeline.. That was a joke in itself, pump water from Lake Eildon when Central Victoria was already in drought? Really?

The EWL program was already underway before the government approached care-taker and the only reason it wasn't signed earlier was because of a serial protester who kept dragging OUR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS into the court system. Yes, he was on welfare and taking the government to court.. What rubbish, can climb a drill rig and chain himself but he's unemployed? I wonder why?

Nothing irresponsible about signing off on a project the state needs and requires. In 10 years time if the EWL isn't built and we start then (it's going be built regardless), the cost will be an extra $5 billion and it will just continue to grow overtime the longer we wait.

I agree with the Melbourne Metro being built, i'm not against it but i'm against building it when the rest of the network, sorry 75% of the network is still running infrastructure from the 70's to 80's but we're going to build a brand new tunnel... You know how stupid this sounds right? Upgrade the entire current network then EXPAND what you have and the system thrives, we can't keep doing this half arsed rubbish because the state never bloody progresses.
mickamious
Mickamious

Myki I agree it could have been done cheaper, but by upgrading Metcard, how?? Metcard is a Ticket Card system, please let me know how you could upgrade a magnetic card system to a smart card system!

What so someone who is unemployed cannot protest against a project how pious is that ? He can, ITS CALLED DEMOCRACY, what next Mickamious anyone who does not earn over $40,000 should not be able to Vote !!!

The EWL may get built, it may not but you do not know that for certain, so stop make crap assumptions.

I do agree with you on the Melbourne Metro, it is a project full of ego, (Melbourne Metro will make our system on PAR with the London Underground, Paris Metro and New York Subway, Boast) Really, Really. The current infrastructure needs updating first.

Michael
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

There's nothing more to do this.
Dan said the contract is not worth the paper it's written on which we all know is not true, a contract is a contract.
The Herald Sun does have valid points, Dan is screwed in many ways and the only way he's looking to get out of not paying a cent is to introduce legislation but that would be the most irresponsible and most stupid decision ever made by a government.

The facts are simple even though many here are against the project, i'm not, i'm for it,
Take the consortium to court if Dan's so sure the contract isn't worth anything... All he's doing now is the same rubbish they had with Tatts etc who EVENTUALLY got paid out... The consortium has the government by the balls and they know this and if they go to court the government will lose and be up for even more damages so he's not in a good position.

Agreed with Daves, every person i know in the construction game, reads the Herald Sun lol... And 98% of workers in the blue collar building game (employees) vote Labor and if you've ever been to a unionized site, it's plastered all of the walls that Liberals are the scum of the earth etc.
mickamious
Nope. I'm starting to think the consortium's legal department looked at it and said "Make an offer now for a reduced penalty to tempt the government to settle because we can't win in court."
No way would the financial backers agree to take a $500m hit if they didn't have to.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@mejhammers1 the yellow dots on the Metcard readers apparently provided a method for validating smartcards presumably for Metcard Xpress.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@mejhammers1 the yellow dots on the Metcard readers apparently provided a method for validating smartcards presumably for Metcard Xpress.
railblogger
@Railblogger

Thank you for that, I learn something new everyday. Myki could have used the existing infrastructure.


Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@mejhammers1 the yellow dots on the Metcard readers apparently provided a method for validating smartcards presumably for Metcard Xpress.
railblogger
@Railblogger

Thank you for that, I learn something new everyday. Myki could have used the existing infrastructure.


Michael
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Mickamious: Nobody can deny that Labor made lots of mistakes. Personally I blame the fact that they suddenly found themselves swimming in money from booming stamp duty revenues and weren't sure how to spend it. Myki was a rush to get into the stupid rush to a smart-card when really the Metcard system could have been modified at a much cheaper price to do both. Bachelor decided that they should go for an all smart-card system so we ended up spending (perhaps?) another billion dollars on the unloved and inflexible system that we have now; they also buggered up lots of aspects of the Regional Fast Rail project - not the least of which is the fact that it's not actually very fast!

Added to that was the alarmism that happened as a result of the prolonged drought eight or so years ago - there's no doubt in my mind that North-South was completely unwarranted and was actually robbing agricultural users of water at the expense of the Melbourne behemoth. And don't get me started on the extortionate Desal contract - legalised robbery of water consumers to continue for years on end.

In the final analysis though they did get some things right - namely Regional Rail Link and the electrified network extensions and a new tollway stretching across half of the city (Eastlink). What does Denis Napthine have to show in his four years of office? Bugger all.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
@mejhammers1 the yellow dots on the Metcard readers apparently provided a method for validating smartcards presumably for Metcard Xpress.
railblogger
Metcard equipment was own by OneLink and would cost the state government more money to continue and upgrade metcard, so they decide to replace it with a newer system and which we now have MYKI.
The state government wants to own the equipment and that's why they decide to go with MYKI and plus matched equipment was past its use by dated.

Not the hardware problem MYKI has but the fares are too complex for it on good and needs to be simpler, like they done in Sydney when they brought their smart card system out.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Most people get the HS 'cause it's cheaper than The Age ($1.40 v $2.50) and has more pages than it too.
ARodH

Err....that would be more pages of Ads...

Among other full page ads for the latest reality TV show cr@p, The Herald Sun has all those supermarket ads that the Age doesn't because the Age demographic doesn't need to save 2 cents here or 3 cents there on supermarket items.

Mike.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

@Railblogger

Thank you for that, I learn something new everyday. Myki could have used the existing infrastructure.


Michael
mejhammers1

Metcard equipment was very clapped out and outdated by the time Myki came along, terrible option.


ALSO: can't help but laugh at the 'don't build EWL because we don't need it yet' and the 'AIRPORT RAIL NOW!!!! In 20 years time when the freeway is full....'
  woodford Chief Commissioner

A response to a point in the discusion...........

I agree something should be done about the signalling out in the metro
network, the problem is the metro tunnel is NOT solving that problem.

There are a number of bottle necks in the network. One of these is the
lack of time slots for further traffic in the central part of the network.    
It is probably feasable to increase traffic density by 20 percent (at least)  
with modern signalling, the problem though is the loop CANNOT take any more
traffic. I believe they are already in peak hour terminating some Eastern    
section services at Flinders st and Western section services at Southern
Cross because of this lack of time slots.

This the problem the metro tunnel is supposed to solve.

Another bottle neck is level crossings, some time back (six months or so ago)
the head of the metro rail mob was on an interview on ABC local Melbourne's
Jon Fane Show. He, the head of metro said they could increase traffic on the
Dandenong line no (rail) problems, BUT, He stated they could not do it as the
increased traffic would hold the boom gates down for a too greater percentage
of time and cause major road traffic flow problems.

As I prevously mentioned there is NO single solution to Melbournes transport
problems, be it the Metro tunnel, new signalling, the East west Tunnel,
eliminating the 200 or so level crossings.

Victoria is now suffering from a lack of investment in most transport
infrastructure particularly rail. The only answer in the end HAS TO BE
some kind of higher state tax's. One simply CANNOT keep on living on credit  
forever. Something apprently very few people appear to understand.

woodford
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Victoria is now suffering from a lack of investment in most transport
infrastructure particularly rail. The only answer in the end HAS TO BE
some kind of higher state tax's. One simply CANNOT keep on living on credit  
forever. Something apparently very few people appear to understand.

woodford
woodford
Anyone who has lived in inner Melbourne over the last decade (as I have) would have noticed the substantially increased congestion, longer peaks, more crowded trains and trams and the general decline in amenity.

We presently have more than a hundred thousand people cramming into this city every single year (the population of Ballarat or Bendigo): That's more than a million extra residents since about 2002; yet there hasn't been any major investment in mass transit since the construction of the city loop in the 1970's.

Either we start spending serious money on transit (as well as new roads) or we end up with a rapid decline in living standards and city that looks like Bangkok or Mexico City rather than 'the Paris of the south'.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

So we have this dilemma - bring in legislation to null and void the East-West contract and perhaps scare off future investors.  OR build a dud tollway that will bankrupt us.  OR cough up the dough and walk away from it - i.e pay money for nothing.

I would go for the first option.  Why?  It would encourage state governments to sign contracts AND start building necessary infrastructure early in a 4 year term so that stuff actually gets built rather than making promises & signing dodgy contracts before elections for projects that will never see the light of day....

But Dan Andrews has made an utterly stupid and suicidal decision to give the CFMEU and other unions free reign to control/hijack/undermine work sites with criminal activity after they bribed the ALP with generous pre-election donations before November's election.  That will without a doubt scare off investors.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner




Victoria is now suffering from a lack of investment in most transport
infrastructure particularly rail. The only answer in the end HAS TO BE
some kind of higher state tax's. One simply CANNOT keep on living on credit  
forever. Something apprently very few people appear to understand.

woodford
woodford
This will never happen if the system does not return to government hands. No private operator will pour money into infrastructure that does not belong to them, unless someone else, that's your and my taxes, pay for it AND gives them a profit.
I don't want a higher tax. I want my current taxes going into improving the system, not going overseas as profit.

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