New rail hub for Wodonga as Victorian rail freight expansion gets $39m investment

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 18 Dec 2015 09:59
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
@woodford - I made a detour out via Barnawartha on the way to Sydney from Albury today but there wasn't really anything all that photogenic just yet from the bridge, trees etc are in the way atm.  Also I couldn't get too close to the construction site as it looked rather occupied by workers.  Its as @Lockspike said.  I can add though that there were many many concrete sleepers on the side of Terminal Road, with work going on today.  Also, the siding looks to be being built some way from the main line - about 4 or 5 track widths to the north of the main lines.

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  woodford Chief Commissioner

@woodford - I made a detour out via Barnawartha on the way to Sydney from Albury today but there wasn't really anything all that photogenic just yet from the bridge, trees etc are in the way atm.  Also I couldn't get too close to the construction site as it looked rather occupied by workers.  Its as @Lockspike said.  I can add though that there were many many concrete sleepers on the side of Terminal Road, with work going on today.  Also, the siding looks to be being built some way from the main line - about 4 or 5 track widths to the north of the main lines.
james.au

Many thanks for the effort and the report, I know one can certainly get a good shot of the mainline from there. The image concerned appears in my first part of the NE regauge images.

Remember, they are  building a freight transfer centre, there will likely be a good deal of flat surface either side of the siding so the container unloaders can get access to the train.

woodford
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I thought Woolworths was palletised freight?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I thought Woolworths was palletised freight?
bevans
They also use refrigerated containers
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Locating the arrivals/departures loop some distance away from the mainline is to enable shunters etc to safely make up and breakdown wagon rakes that are then to be positioned to the various sidings within the actual terminal.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Drove past today and noted the sidings will be of long length with room for 3 ?

The 3rd siding to feed sidings inside the fences area. Exciting developments.
  jaymcghee Beginner

Photo of the shed under construction, view from the side of the freeway.

https://flic.kr/p/J9JQTu

-Jay.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The local paper ran this brief story yesterday:

http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/4032079/full-steam-ahead-on-rail-hub/

Interesting points:
- Operational by end of year
- Direct Wodonga-Adelaide Services

These services might just indicate that a 180km additional distance for rail (1086 rail vs 862 road per google maps) may not impact the competitiveness of rail, depending on the operator
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
@James.au looking at the news item this is what we would have expected from SCT. Integrated Rail based logistics.  I don;t personally believe the additional route distance will be an issue whatsoever as you would know in end to end logistics the management of the delivery date and transit is all part of the logistics supply chain uncoupling this over used statement about road vs rail times.  

Going out on a limb and referring to posts elsewhere on the forums, reducing routes distances and times across Victoria could achieved be build a standard gauge line from Heathcote to Bendigo to Maryborough and then onto Ararat and further west. There is space for a second track between Bendigo and Castlemaine or a route between Bendigo and Inglewood (BG conversion to SG) and onto the SG line (post conversion to maryborough and then to Ararat.  The later probably the preferred route.

This would open up SG across the middle of Victoria.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I was just looking at a map of what might be possible for an Albury-Adelaide connection.

Possibly you could go Wodonga-Benalla-Dookie-Shepparton-Toolamba-Echuca-Moulmein-Ouyen and then Pinnaroo to Adelaide.  That would use a lot of existing alignment and provide a range of connections.  If you're going to do that, Yanco-Whitton-Hay-Moulamein would further straighten out the East-West line from Adelaide to Sydney via Junee.  Youd make a negative dent in the Broken Hill line traffic though by doing this.  

Your lower connection would probably achieve better connectivity for more people though, I agree.

Not going to happen in my lifetime though, but fun to speculate!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I was just looking at a map of what might be possible for an Albury-Adelaide connection.

Not going to happen in my lifetime though, but fun to speculate!
james.au

James the ROW and track for the entire connection is in place.  The only earthworks required for the link would be Heathcote Junction to Bendigo North.  Then a connection onto the Inglewood line and then a triangle leg to the south from the east. At that point you are on SG all the way to Adelaide.

Other benefits are then the SG into Bendigo and Maryborough to the NE.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think your route would have the dominant purpose of providing SG access to Central Vic.  I was more thinking about how to shorten the distance between Albury and Adelaide.  Ie our benefits are different.  Given that the indication is that the distance is not an issue for SCT, then your alignment probably has more merit.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

I was just looking at a map of what might be possible for an Albury-Adelaide connection.

Possibly you could go Wodonga-Benalla-Dookie-Shepparton-Toolamba-Echuca-Moulmein-Ouyen and then Pinnaroo to Adelaide.  That would use a lot of existing alignment and provide a range of connections.  If you're going to do that, Yanco-Whitton-Hay-Moulamein would further straighten out the East-West line from Adelaide to Sydney via Junee.  Youd make a negative dent in the Broken Hill line traffic though by doing this.  

Your lower connection would probably achieve better connectivity for more people though, I agree.

Not going to happen in my lifetime though, but fun to speculate!
james.au
Benalla, Dookie, Shepparton, Murchison, Colbinabbin, Goornong, Bendigo, Castlemaine, Maryborough, Ararat..............two missing links across flat country and a whole lot of wishful thinking.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Good thoughts and discussion taking the line between Bendigo and Ararat most of this would be SG after the Murray basin work.

Inglewood to Bendigo north would need to be dual gauge to accomodate the swan hill line.

Heathcote junction to Bendigo north uses existing right of way.

This proposal also supports the proposed marong intermodal. I like it.

Could decrease the Melbourne bottlenecks and also provide a backup path from Ararat to Melbourne and Melbourne to heathcote.

Why has this not been discussed
Prior ?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
James the ROW and track for the entire connection is in place.  The only earthworks required for the link would be Heathcote Junction to Bendigo North.  Then a connection onto the Inglewood line and then a triangle leg to the south from the east. At that point you are on SG all the way to Adelaide.
bevans
Brian, the Heathcote line does NOT have all of its land intact! How many times do you have to beat that dead horse before you realise that it's not going to whinny for you?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hi All

Im down in Albury so ducked out to Barnawartha to the Logic site.  From what I could see from legal vantage points, it looks like a bit of progress since my last visit.  The formation for the siding rail is in and the tracks are in the process of being laid.  The shed is more progressed and looks like there are some earthworks for the loading pads etc well under way.

Here are some photos for you all.



  woodford Chief Commissioner

Hi All

Im down in Albury so ducked out to Barnawartha to the Logic site.  From what I could see from legal vantage points, it looks like a bit of progress since my last visit.  The formation for the siding rail is in and the tracks are in the process of being laid.  The shed is more progressed and looks like there are some earthworks for the loading pads etc well under way.

Here are some photos for you all.



james.au
The photos are not showing up at my location, I have tried two browsers, Mozilla firefox and Google Chrome.. Both  just get black rectangles wit a row of dots scanning in there centre.

woodford
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I found them... by inspecting the page code.


  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks LD.  Ill take another look at loading pics and see what went wrong.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Thanks LD.  Ill take another look at loading pics and see what went wrong.
james.au
Your links were missing a colon. 'https//' instead of 'https://';
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Thanks LD.  Ill take another look at loading pics and see what went wrong.
Your links were missing a colon. 'https//' instead of 'https://';
LancedDendrite
Thanks for that, and thank you james_au for the  images, for some reason firefox on some web pages will NOT show the page's source code so I can not see what is happenning. On  Elvastower it will some times do this and sometimes wont, on Railpage it always does this.

woodford
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
PN have made a mess of rail freight.  ..... They have only kept customers directly connected with their main forwarder TOLL.  ..... Coal is down.  It is not looking pretty.  They also lost Petroleum in  NSW and VIC.  Quite a mess.

Neece
PN didn't 'lose' fuel distribution - the oil companies because they were closing down their refineries decided that rail distribution was too expensive with all fuel being imported pre-refined out of Singapore and elsewhere. If rail was able to make a solid business case that's cheaper than road freight distribution it would come back to rail, but road freight is under-pinned by favourable legistative frameworks at state and federal level that grossly disadvantage rail.

To get fuel back to rail would also require destroying the retailing monopoly on fuel created by Colesworth Inc (ie. Coles and Woolies via their Caltex and Shell alliances respectively). The Colesworth monopoly effectively ring fences the road transport distribution of fuel from any competition.

The same things apply to mail/parcels. Before there was ever such as thing as Star Track Express (which AusPost took over), bulk mail and parcels distribution was done mostly by rail, and places like Sydney used to actual do parcel and freight delivery internally as part o it's overall model (parcel vans, Trackfast, etc.). Now AusPost is basically just a glorified road transport company that just happens to have mail and parcels as it's 'core commodity'.

Saying PN's only kept customers connected to TOLL is only true of intermodal. Toll has nothing to do with Graincorp (grain) or any of the coal mining companies PN services. In fact there's a strong chance PN is going to take some coal work off Aurizon in the Hunter Valley soon.

All companies have the same problem - Aurizon in QLD have been getting their smeg kicked by PN (and by BMA). In NSW PN gets it's smeg kicked by Aurizon, Qube, SSR, GWA/Freightliner, etc. Same sandwich, just different fillings. In SA PN, GWA and SCT/SBR kick each other's asses regularly. Take away Freightlink out of GWA's business and they'd basically have very little since SCT took back crewing of it's own trains (and started up a partnership with Momentum to casualise it's train crewing workforce).
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I went past this morning and the photo below (excuse the mobile phone quality - not good to zoom) was taken from the B400 Overpass. Not much movement since james.au was there a month ago. No sign of any work to install a turnout either.

  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Drove North past the Logistic Centre this afternoon. Didn't stop to look from the overbridge or take photos but did note that the SCT logo is prominent on the freeway side of the warehouse. Earthmoving plant was parked up at what appears to be the Southern end of the new sidings, a considerable distance from the warehouse (maybe 1000m). Also, yard lights have been erected from here to a short distance North of the warehouse.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Travelled past on Saturday and there were several earthmoving vehicles (graders-rollers) and trucks in operation and what appeared to be rail based contractors working around the location of the mainline connection (Melbourne end.   Also noticed the prominent SCT logo as mentioned above and numerous lighting towers along the site.

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