Rant: Radio Reference hates my yarra trams feed

 
Topic moved from The Lounge by bevans on 16 Apr 2015 20:07
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
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In late 2014 i started a Yarra Trams feed called 'Southbank And Preston depots' that went well, in about october 2014 i got another dongle and i started a brunswick depot and essendon depot feed.
In november 2014 whilst streaming the melbourne cup the dongle fell apart and the other dongle had gone about a week before, last night i applyed for a new feed called 'Yarra Trams' it includes officers and trams.

I woke up to this email




Dear melbournefan,


Hi

Hope you are well today!

Welcome to Broadcastify.com Live Audio.


I have your new feed application for:
Yarra Trams
Owner user: melbournefan
County/State: Australia > Victoria Statewide, VIC
Your Feed Info Page:
This feed includes officer, and driver to base channels Frequency's include 487.1750 CTCSS 107.2 486.8500 CTCSS 107.2 487.1250 CTCSS 107.2 487.9250 CTCSS 107.2 507.2000 Essendon & Brunswick Depots 507.2750 Malvern & Glenhuntly Depots CTCSS 114.8 508.4500 509.3750 507.3000 Preston & Southbank Depots CTCSS 114.8 507.2500 507.6000 Camberwell & Kew Depots CTCSS 114.8





I received your new feed application, however I cannot approve this feed application so I deleted your new feed application.

You plan to feed something we do not allow per the TOS.
See red above but there may be more TOS violations not marked.
I cannot approve feeds with known TOS violations.

When you applied for this feed, you had to check some 18 boxes to indicate this feed is TOS compliant.

Some of the boxes you checked is this:

Other Feeds:
I agree to NOT broadcast any commercial service broadcast. (FM/AM/TV etc)
I agree to NOT broadcast music or talk show of any kind. (commercial or non-commercial)
I agree to NOT broadcast DJ or other type of similar activity. (commercial or non-commercial)
I agree to NOT broadcast open microphones (feed device/computer mic, surveillance, stage mics, mics at venues, churches, performances, etc)
I agree to NOT broadcast schools/school buses communications.
I agree to NOT broadcast citizens Band (CB) communications.
I agree to NOT broadcast GMRS, FRS or MURS. (either simplex or repeaters)
I agree to NOT broadcast NOAA Weather Radio. (See [http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/index.html Wunderground] for a host)
I agree to NOT broadcast private businesses. (Taxis, Buses (including Public System Buses and Light Rail Systems), Towing, Security, Rental etc)
I agree to NOT broadcast any other content the Broadcastify.com staff feels is inappropriate for the BCFY audience.

Somehow you missed understood this policy & marked it as your feed being TOS compliant.

You can apply for a different feed.

Please reapply to broadcast any of the following:
Aircraft/Aviation
Amateur Radio
Public Safety
Rail
Marine
Other (as approved by BCFY Live Audio)
If you still want to broadcast this feed as you propose, I suggest you go here: makeavoice.com. The cost is $42 year for up to 50 streams @24Kbps each. Choose to broadcast a ShoutCast stream and your feed will then appear in the ShoutCast directory and the ShoutCast Radio listings in Winamp for the PC & Winamp for Android mobile devices (also found in the Android Market).
or
You can go to Ustream: http://www.ustream.tv. They have free add based hosting and paid add free. They manly do TV feeds with video so just set up a web cam on your radio display along with the audio.

Please reply to this e-mail If you have any questions.

Please reply in English only.

Please do send a separate e-mail or PM.

Please do not change or modify the subject line or the e-mail body.

Please do not send or include attachments, screen shots, etc.

Please do not submit another new feed application for the same agencies at this time.


Thanks for your support and wanting to provide your feed on Broadcastify.com.

--
******* ******
Broadcastify.com
Live Audio Administrator
*******@broadcastify.com



In red this was in the email


I agree to NOT broadcast private businesses. (Taxis, Buses (including Public System Buses and Light Rail Systems), Towing, Security, Rental etc)
According to wikipedia this was what i got


Yarra Trams is the trading name of the Melbourne tram network, which is owned by the Victorian State Government. The current franchise is operated by the KDR Melbourne consortium, owned by Keolis and Downer Rail.
Wikipedia

Yarra Trams is partly owned by the government.
RR is getting it wrong because YT is partly government owned and the other email i got was because

'Tram Systems don't get a lot of listeners' I had 10 users listen about 3pm most days, and when there were buses replacing trams i got 30 listeners.
Channel 9 used to listen to the feed it was a media resource why is RR refusing it when i had several tram only feeds.
The T&C's have not changed from 2014 and it never said Light rail and bus systems, this was the unedited version


I agree to NOT broadcast private businesses. (Taxis, Buses, Towing, Security, Rental etc)



Rant Over.

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  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Bump trying to install icecast on my laptop and pulling my hair out on because i can't link to any of you users
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Bump trying to install icecast on my laptop and pulling my hair out on because i can't link to any of you users
X'Trapolis-904M
Yeah, because you're installing it locally.

Get a VPS.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Bump trying to install icecast on my laptop and pulling my hair out on because i can't link to any of you users
X'Trapolis-904M

I will build an icecast server tonight.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
The terms and conditions clear specify

I agree to NOT broadcast private businesses. (Taxis, Buses (including Public System Buses and Light Rail Systems), Towing, Security, Rental etc)

So where is the problem?

If you look at the list of what you cannot do why would you open an account?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I agree to NOT broadcast private businesses. (Taxis, Buses (including Public System Buses and Light Rail Systems), Towing, Security, Rental etc)

So where is the problem?
8077
Yarra Trams is not completely private... It's partly Government Owned.
  JoppaJunction Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Do you have the scanner running?  How are you going to send the stream to icecast?
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The terms and conditions clear specify

I agree to NOT broadcast private businesses. (Taxis, Buses (including Public System Buses and Light Rail Systems), Towing, Security, Rental etc)

So where is the problem?

If you look at the list of what you cannot do why would you open an account?
8077
It never said tram systems, it just bus systems and etc
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
It never said tram systems, it just bus systems and etc
X'Trapolis-904M
But it does say light rail. Perhaps they consider Yarra Trams as light rail?
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
But it does say light rail. Perhaps they consider Yarra Trams as light rail?
railblogger
Only in the email it was said about light rail, if that's the case take the 109 and 96 out and a bit of 82 and 59 and 55 and some 57
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
Only in the email it was said about light rail, if that's the case take the 109 and 96 out and a bit of 82 and 59 and 55 and some 57
X'Trapolis-904M
I thought all trams were considered light rail. Is it only those which do not run on a road?
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I thought all trams were considered light rail. Is it only those which do not run on a road?
Braddo
Depends light rail for some is if it is off road not including metro etc., for the RR people it is probably on road too
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Just a update the stream is ready for testing as the frequencies are programed into the banks and signal is good.
I will release the feed sometime Mid April (10th-20th)
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
In this day and age light rail is used to define any tramway system as it is usually lighter construction than so called heavy rail (Railways). It goes far beyond the definition of tramway or interurban though. So thus any tramway system could be called light rail.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Made RR Happy and made a V/Line feed, that's see if they approve it
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Made RR Happy and made a V/Line feed, that's see if they approve it
X'Trapolis-904M
Perhaps you could refrain from posting until such time as you can learn how to compose a sentence that people will understand?
  Bethungra Train Controller

Made RR Happy and made a V/Line feed, that's see if they approve it
X'Trapolis-904M

How do you access?
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
How do you access?
Bethungra
Link will hopefully come on tomorrow afternoon.
Software is all ready just waiting on mountpoint etc

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