Murray Basin standardisation

 
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The Auditor General's report next month will also be a fun read.  It might be a long time until we see SG to Sea Lake and Manang IMO.
Carnot
I have my popcorn ready.....

IDK QUBE stepping in like this signifies they want  the project done for their operation.  And PN is hitting them hard about it so they can get rid of more BG fleet and simplify their operations.

Depends on how much funding they can get.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Never hold a review unless you know the outcome in advance! (Sir Humphrey Appleby)

Is this even an 'independent' review or just PTV reviewing PTV and/or one of its agencies?

Hopefully the Auditor General's Report will be a little more impartial.

Why do we pay gold prices and get muck metal?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
There are 2 reviews.  

1. Auditor general is reviewing PTV, so there is a small degree of independence there.  This will be the fun one to read.
2. DoT is reviewing the project and next steps.  This will perhaps be the unfun one (for rail).
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
The fact remains it's quicker by far for BG trains to get to the docks than SG on the Murray basin lines. Surely the next step is either standardising and/or adding a third rail (dual gauge) from Maryborough to Gheringhap. Once that is done, then Manangatang & Sea Lake lines can look to be standardised?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The fact remains it's quicker by far for BG trains to get to the docks than SG on the Murray basin lines. Surely the next step is either standardising and/or adding a third rail (dual gauge) from Maryborough to Gheringhap. Once that is done, then Manangatang & Sea Lake lines can look to be standardised?
cbinyon
It is a bit bizarre that the bit of the MBS project that is causing the most delays is the bit that was meant to be temporary.

Qube better off in that regard running BG Ultima but obviously not what they wanted and must have cost them a mozza in lost business and extra costs when the project stalled.
  david harvey Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
Never hold a review unless you know the outcome in advance! (Sir Humphrey Appleby)

Is this even an 'independent' review or just PTV reviewing PTV and/or one of its agencies?

Hopefully the Auditor General's Report will be a little more impartial.

Why do we pay gold prices and get muck metal?
YM-Mundrabilla
There are no  votes from the constituents  in completing the Murray Basin Project ,after all that's National Party Heart Land,       but build an East west Motorway or a new underground railway or smash out 50 level crossings with sky rail, new stations and rail extensions (all justified considering the state of the system) ,but this is where the votes are in the metropolis.                                     ("Shall I tell the Minister ,Sir Humphrey".  "BERNARD ,Haven't you learnt anything ")
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The fact remains it's quicker by far for BG trains to get to the docks than SG on the Murray basin lines. Surely the next step is either standardising and/or adding a third rail (dual gauge) from Maryborough to Gheringhap. Once that is done, then Manangatang & Sea Lake lines can look to be standardised?
cbinyon
Tend to agree but reality is that all at once is probably the more capital efficient.

Side question, is there enough space on the Ballarat line for one or two grain trains a night?
  david harvey Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
Its quite easy to spend somebody else money especially when you are a politician but when the contractors see's the contract and it says "Government Contract" , well sometimes the unscrupulous ones , they like to add lots of zeros to the end of the bill and projects just run over budget because it becomes an endless pit of money. Well in the case of the Murray Basin Lines , the well ran dry.  To me it doesn't matter how long the grain takes to get to the port at least it is getting to the port by rail and it quite easily could be all going by road if we don't watch out. Its the duplication of services that we have at the moment that is  eroding the effectiveness of the rail network and once the Sea Lake and the Manangatang lines are standardised the problem should be over .NO what about the Swan Hill and the Deniliquin lines that use broad gauge wagons and museum locomotives .At least we can hold the  English responsible  for the introduction to Victoria for the Rabbit ,Foxes Blackberry and the standard gauge rail.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The fact remains it's quicker by far for BG trains to get to the docks than SG on the Murray basin lines. Surely the next step is either standardising and/or adding a third rail (dual gauge) from Maryborough to Gheringhap. Once that is done, then Manangatang & Sea Lake lines can look to be standardised?
Tend to agree but reality is that all at once is probably the more capital efficient.

Side question, is there enough space on the Ballarat line for one or two grain trains a night?
james.au
If and when MB is EVER completed it will be sg only between Ballarat and Gheringhap that decision already made, and if Government is sensible only sg between Maryborough and Ballarat . Retaining dual gauge just because VLP hate standard gauge train sets is ridiculous. Dual gauge costs more initially in capex and also incurs higher on going track maintenance costs .

With the money saved NOT dual gauging Ballarat - Maryborough one standardizes Wendouree - Ararat allowing V/Locity services to extend beyond Ararat to both Hamilton & Horsham . Five x 2 car sg VL sets maintained and based at Ballarat can run at least Weekdays 3 return trips to Hamilton, Maryborough and Horsham, and 6 return trips to Ararat.
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
The fact remains it's quicker by far for BG trains to get to the docks than SG on the Murray basin lines. Surely the next step is either standardising and/or adding a third rail (dual gauge) from Maryborough to Gheringhap. Once that is done, then Manangatang & Sea Lake lines can look to be standardised?
It is a bit bizarre that the bit of the MBS project that is causing the most delays is the bit that was meant to be temporary.

Qube better off in that regard running BG Ultima but obviously not what they wanted and must have cost them a mozza in lost business and extra costs when the project stalled.
BrentonGolding
And what happens to Ararat - Maryborough when the line is no longer required?
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
The fact remains it's quicker by far for BG trains to get to the docks than SG on the Murray basin lines. Surely the next step is either standardising and/or adding a third rail (dual gauge) from Maryborough to Gheringhap. Once that is done, then Manangatang & Sea Lake lines can look to be standardised?
It is a bit bizarre that the bit of the MBS project that is causing the most delays is the bit that was meant to be temporary.

Qube better off in that regard running BG Ultima but obviously not what they wanted and must have cost them a mozza in lost business and extra costs when the project stalled.
And what happens to Ararat - Maryborough when the line is no longer required?
cbinyon
Probably get mothballed again for about the third time in its history.

Ross
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
The fact remains it's quicker by far for BG trains to get to the docks than SG on the Murray basin lines. Surely the next step is either standardising and/or adding a third rail (dual gauge) from Maryborough to Gheringhap. Once that is done, then Manangatang & Sea Lake lines can look to be standardised?
It is a bit bizarre that the bit of the MBS project that is causing the most delays is the bit that was meant to be temporary.

Qube better off in that regard running BG Ultima but obviously not what they wanted and must have cost them a mozza in lost business and extra costs when the project stalled.
And what happens to Ararat - Maryborough when the line is no longer required?
Probably get mothballed again for about the third time in its history.

Ross
Rossco T
The money they have spent on it is ridiculous, so if all upgrades are completed with in 12 - 24 months, it would have had 4 - 5 years use at best?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

They’re not going to convert Ballarat-Ararat to SG any time soon – much as I’d like them to – so Maryborough-Ararat would still get used for moves to and from the Adelaide direction.

Even if that section did eventually get converted they wouldn’t add an extra leg at North Ballarat, and why would you go the “long way” then anyhow?
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
When the Ballarat Intermodal terminal is completed should consider Ballarat to Ararat SG with DG from Wendouree and the terminal for DG.

BG access to the Port of Melbourne and SG interstate traffic to Sydney and Adelaide?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Apart from East of the state we need to stop thinking BG in every way. There is (should be) no future for the BG other than the clear passenger routes (Geelong/Ballarat/Bendigo etc) with a few km of DG thrown in if necessary. The NE and Goulburn Valley should be all SG including Toolamba - Echuca and beyond.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Righto crew here we go again, another working group to look at things...Rolling Eyes... hopefully they make better progress this time, with the practice they have had.

Government announces rail freight assessment.

The government has formed a working group to assess the state's rail freight network but one transporter says for it to be successful, it needs to hear the thoughts of those on the ground.

Link Wimmera MailTimes Dick Wink looks like that may have come via The Stock & Land, Carnot your usually hot onto them.

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/6649065/government-announces-rail-freight-assessment/?cs=225

BigShunter.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The Weekly Times has picked up on it:


Long story short, the Vic Govt hasn't submitted a new Business Plan to the Feds.  The VAG report next month will be quite a read (which may have delayed said Business Plan IMO.  Tim Pallas says $4 Billion needs to be cut from State Budget.

My prediction - no money, no more SG for a very very long time ...
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Im going to pin my hopes on the VAG report being something that will be used to inform the business case.  Makes sense to incorporate any relevant findings.
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
The Weekly Times has picked up on it:


Long story short, the Vic Govt hasn't submitted a new Business Plan to the Feds.  The VAG report next month will be quite a read (which may have delayed said Business Plan IMO.  Tim Pallas says $4 Billion needs to be cut from State Budget.

My prediction - no money, no more SG for a very very long time ...
Carnot
Not looking promising at all Carnot. I suppose at least all lines/branches are accessible currently, although I know they're mixed gauges.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I bet Pallas can find money for the road projects. Again such a terrible look for this government. It seems everything they touch apart from level crossing works is doomed.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The State Govt are now buying up land for Outer Melb Ring Road to the tune of several hundred million $.  And they probably won't even run a rail line down the middle as originally designed.

There's your answer.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

The State Govt are now buying up land for Outer Melb Ring Road to the tune of several hundred million $.  And they probably won't even run a rail line down the middle as originally designed.

There's your answer.
Carnot
I suggest you check your latest Melways..............Rail up the middle.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Just because the Melways shows a rail line doesn't mean it will happen.   I reckon I have a Melways from the early eighties showing the proposed Doncaster rail line - how is that working out?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Just because the Melways shows a rail line doesn't mean it will happen.   I reckon I have a Melways from the early eighties showing the proposed Doncaster rail line - how is that working out?
Donald
hey dude I am just pointing it out, neer said anything would be built, by the way the Doncaster line has appeared in Melways maps since the early 1960s. The greedy Guvs of the day sold the land that had been set aside for the Donny line............
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/murray-basin-rail-project-subject-of-complaint-to-ibac-victoria/12059644

Will be interesting to see what happens with this one.

Is IBAC as toothy as the NSW ICAC?


Also, VAGO report due out tomorrow (Wednesday).  Ive added some popcorn to my hoarded toilet paper supplies for this one.

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