Murray Basin standardisation

 
  Bonzel Junior Train Controller

The UP Mildura is well and truly delayed today via Gheirnghap.
bevans
7901V ran today on time is it is up at Merbien now.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The UP Mildura is well and truly delayed today via Gheirnghap.
7901V ran today on time is it is up at Merbien now.
Bonzel

GOG has 7904 timetabled for today.  Not seen yet.
  Bonzel Junior Train Controller

The UP Mildura is well and truly delayed today via Gheirnghap.
7901V ran today on time is it is up at Merbien now.

GOG has 7904 timetabled for today.  Not seen yet.
bevans
7904V runs only as required hasn`t run since about mid last year during citrus season.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
The Federal Govt not closed to additional funding.

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/7208979/deputy-pm-opens-door-to-further-murray-rail-funding/?cs=80

Would be good to know where that $5m report is up to.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The Federal Govt not closed to additional funding.

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/7208979/deputy-pm-opens-door-to-further-murray-rail-funding/?cs=80

Would be good to know where that $5m report is up to.
james.au
The $ 5m report is nowhere as Victoria has effectively said no more MB standardization with the Feds we are fixing a lot of weaknesses in the existing MB network like crossing loops at Tourello and Elmhurst, re-railing Maryborough - Ararat, improved staging at  Maryborough, Donald and Merbein. Improved junction signalling at  Maryborough &  Dunolly.  Sea Lake and Managatang stay as broad gauge. Commission signalling on the cross link at Ararat. Thats it.

The $ 5m offered by the Feds on the condition that it is matched by Victoria is the Feds view that a business case and further scope of works be developed by Victoria .  But the responsible Victorian Minister has said firmly NO MORE  MB STANDARDIZATION under a Labor State Government.

There are two fatal weaknesses in this stance :

- Short term Inglewood  Eaglehawk needs to be re-activated to allow additional trains to be operated each day on both the Sea Lake and Managatang lines. Plus allow a shorter path to Melbourne port for the existing Ultima inter-modal train, plus capture 100 export containers a week ex Bridgewater at marginal cost attached to aforesaid Ultima Intermodal train. An absolute no brainer, but still after 12 months no action from the State Government on a low cost track restoration project which is essentially catch up tyrack maintenance that gets mORE freight on rail - which should be the primary objective.

- Medium term the issue is still NOT addressed of a direct standard gauge route from Maryborough to Geelong via Warrenheip.
This robs rail of significant new export container traffic ex Ouyen which requires two train sets to run with the current longer route via Maroona, whereas only one train set if a more direct standard gauge route is provided to Geelong and Melbourne via Warrenheip.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
- Medium term the issue is still NOT addressed of a direct standard gauge route from Maryborough to Geelong via Warrenheip.

This robs rail of significant new export container traffic ex Ouyen which requires two train sets to run with the current longer route via Maroona, whereas only one train set if a more direct standard gauge route is provided to Geelong and Melbourne via Warrenheip.
kuldalai
Disregarding all the other problems mentioned at the moment but what is the new traffic from Ouyen, please ?

BigShunter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I feel now this entire project is going the way of the North East SG work.  Never really completed and massively overbudget.

Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack told a pre-budget lunch, at the Rural Press Club of Victoria the funding should show the Victorian government federal authorities were serious.

"To do the line, as some would like to have it done, is going to cost more than $1 billion," Mr McCormack said. "Well, if that's the case we will certainly look to that."
Michael McCormick Stated

Seriously?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
- Medium term the issue is still NOT addressed of a direct standard gauge route from Maryborough to Geelong via Warrenheip.

This robs rail of significant new export container traffic ex Ouyen which requires two train sets to run with the current longer route via Maroona, whereas only one train set if a more direct standard gauge route is provided to Geelong and Melbourne via Warrenheip.
Disregarding all the other problems mentioned at the moment but what is the new traffic from Ouyen, please ?

BigShunter.
BigShunter
https://ouyen.vic.au/ouyen-intermodal-terminal-project/
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
- Medium term the issue is still NOT addressed of a direct standard gauge route from Maryborough to Geelong via Warrenheip.

This robs rail of significant new export container traffic ex Ouyen which requires two train sets to run with the current longer route via Maroona, whereas only one train set if a more direct standard gauge route is provided to Geelong and Melbourne via Warrenheip.
Disregarding all the other problems mentioned at the moment but what is the new traffic from Ouyen, please ?

BigShunter.
https://ouyen.vic.au/ouyen-intermodal-terminal-project/
BrentonGolding
Thanks BG I am fully aware of that, I posted a tonne of info in the thread but didn't think anything had started yet. Suppose they could be dealing with containerised hay, not sure.

This is in one of the links; Govt to work with Ouyen Inc, the Mallee community and stakeholders to commence actual work on the Ouyen Intermodal with construction to commence in December 2021.

BigShunter.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Thanks BG I am fully aware of that, I posted a tonne of info in the thread but didn't think anything had started yet. Suppose they could be dealing with containerised hay, not sure.

This is in one of the links; Govt to work with Ouyen Inc, the Mallee community and stakeholders to commence actual work on the Ouyen Intermodal with construction to commence in December 2021.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Sorry Cuz, I thought I was replying to YM for some strange reason, I know you are aware of the project. Off to Specsavers again for me!!!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks BG I am fully aware of that, I posted a tonne of info in the thread but didn't think anything had started yet. Suppose they could be dealing with containerised hay, not sure.

This is in one of the links; Govt to work with Ouyen Inc, the Mallee community and stakeholders to commence actual work on the Ouyen Intermodal with construction to commence in December 2021.

BigShunter.
Sorry Cuz, I thought I was replying to YM for some strange reason, I know you are aware of the project. Off to Specsavers again for me!!!
BrentonGolding
Lets me off the hook (for once) ? SmileLaughing
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Thanks BG I am fully aware of that, I posted a tonne of info in the thread but didn't think anything had started yet. Suppose they could be dealing with containerised hay, not sure.

This is in one of the links; Govt to work with Ouyen Inc, the Mallee community and stakeholders to commence actual work on the Ouyen Intermodal with construction to commence in December 2021.

BigShunter.
Sorry Cuz, I thought I was replying to YM for some strange reason, I know you are aware of the project. Off to Specsavers again for me!!!
BrentonGolding
Sounds like you might have had Furphy Fever after a couple of pints at the Railway Hotel.

YM are you mildly horrified at being confused with me ?

BigShunter.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Thanks BG I am fully aware of that, I posted a tonne of info in the thread but didn't think anything had started yet. Suppose they could be dealing with containerised hay, not sure.

This is in one of the links; Govt to work with Ouyen Inc, the Mallee community and stakeholders to commence actual work on the Ouyen Intermodal with construction to commence in December 2021.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Now back to the front....... The potential new traffic out of Ouyen is covered in this page from the website https://ouyen.vic.au/data/documents/Intermodal-Info.-Sheet-A01-Key-Drivers-and-Verification.pdf

Containterised Hay gets a guernsey here https://ouyen.vic.au/data/documents/Intermodal-Info.-Sheet-A03-New-Hay-Export-Facility.pdf

But I don't believe anything much has come of it as I didn't think that the government had been very supportive as per https://ouyen.vic.au/data/documents/Intermodal-Info.-Sheet-B05-Govt-Letter-8-July-2020_Ouyen-Intermodal-to-be-reviewed-in-5-to-10-years-time.pdf

Certainly seems like a good idea and the good burghers or Ouyen town seem to have done their homework but without interest from the state gov it could all be in vain.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Another new type of loco to work the Murray Basin line- a 421 and in Candy to boot!



https://youtu.be/s5i2ynYGed4
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No doubt there are reasons but it always intrigues me the power used on these trains.
I find it difficult to rationalise anything bigger than a single 48, 49 or T class.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Dangerdan707 must be nearly catatonic seeing this....... NSWGR at your service:P
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Thanks BG I am fully aware of that, I posted a tonne of info in the thread but didn't think anything had started yet. Suppose they could be dealing with containerised hay, not sure.

This is in one of the links; Govt to work with Ouyen Inc, the Mallee community and stakeholders to commence actual work on the Ouyen Intermodal with construction to commence in December 2021.

BigShunter.
Now back to the front....... The potential new traffic out of Ouyen is covered in this page from the website https://ouyen.vic.au/data/documents/Intermodal-Info.-Sheet-A01-Key-Drivers-and-Verification.pdf

Containterised Hay gets a guernsey here https://ouyen.vic.au/data/documents/Intermodal-Info.-Sheet-A03-New-Hay-Export-Facility.pdf

But I don't believe anything much has come of it as I didn't think that the government had been very supportive as per https://ouyen.vic.au/data/documents/Intermodal-Info.-Sheet-B05-Govt-Letter-8-July-2020_Ouyen-Intermodal-to-be-reviewed-in-5-to-10-years-time.pdf

Certainly seems like a good idea and the good burghers or Ouyen town seem to have done their homework but without interest from the state gov it could all be in vain.
BrentonGolding
For the Ouyen  Inc  proposal and it certainly CAN generate the required potential export container volumes the business case rqeuires thta one train set can do the return train trip load/unload to Port of Melbourne withina 24 hour cycle.  The currently available longer standard gauge route via Ararat and Maroona does not allow that to happen .

If the Ouyen Inc proposal is to get up then medium term Maryborough - Warrenheip - Gheringhap is going to have to be dual gauged to cater for the needs of key stakeholders and provise a shorter more direct standatdard gauge route between Maryborough and the ports at both Geelong & Melbourne.provide.  

With Ballarat on 40 minute Off Peak frequency there is the ability off peak to get either an Up or Down sg freight through Ballarat every 40 minutes less  6  broad gauge paths for VLP between Ballarat and Maryborough each day.  Also re-open Inglewood  Eaglehawk and that has less bg freight trains South of Inglewood; so the line put out that Ballarat passes make standard gauge through Ballarat all too difficult is a bit of a "smoke and mirrors" illusion.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Dangerdan707 must be nearly catatonic seeing this....... NSWGR at your service:P
simstrain
It's truely blasphemous seeing the Chumster out and about here
  M636C Minister for Railways

No doubt there are reasons but it always intrigues me the power used on these trains.
I find it difficult to rationalise anything bigger than a single 48, 49 or T class.
YM-Mundrabilla
The AK cars are designed to test at line speed.
On main lines this is 115 km/h.
As I understand it T class are limited to 80km/h and I think 48 and 49 classes are similarly limited.

This wouldn't be a problem on the converted Murray basin lines but it is probably easier to keep the same locomotives for all legs of the journey.

Peter
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No doubt there are reasons but it always intrigues me the power used on these trains.
I find it difficult to rationalise anything bigger than a single 48, 49 or T class.
The AK cars are designed to test at line speed.
On main lines this is 115 km/h.
As I understand it T class are limited to 80km/h and I think 48 and 49 classes are similarly limited.

This wouldn't be a problem on the converted Murray basin lines but it is probably easier to keep the same locomotives for all legs of the journey.

Peter
M636C
Fair point but another downgrading?
T class were always 100 and 48s were 115 back in the days. The Ts certainly ran at 100 km/h but not sure about the 48s ever doing 115 km/h in practice.
Good job for a B class! Smile
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
No doubt there are reasons but it always intrigues me the power used on these trains.
I find it difficult to rationalise anything bigger than a single 48, 49 or T class.
The AK cars are designed to test at line speed.
On main lines this is 115 km/h.
As I understand it T class are limited to 80km/h and I think 48 and 49 classes are similarly limited.

This wouldn't be a problem on the converted Murray basin lines but it is probably easier to keep the same locomotives for all legs of the journey.

Peter
Fair point but another downgrading?
T class were always 100 and 48s were 115 back in the days. The Ts certainly ran at 100 km/h but not sure about the 48s ever doing 115 km/h in practice.
Good job for a B class! Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
The T classes are Still accredited to run at 100km/h on the V/line and Metro networks...
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No doubt there are reasons but it always intrigues me the power used on these trains.
I find it difficult to rationalise anything bigger than a single 48, 49 or T class.
The AK cars are designed to test at line speed.
On main lines this is 115 km/h.
As I understand it T class are limited to 80km/h and I think 48 and 49 classes are similarly limited.

This wouldn't be a problem on the converted Murray basin lines but it is probably easier to keep the same locomotives for all legs of the journey.

Peter
Fair point but another downgrading?
T class were always 100 and 48s were 115 back in the days. The Ts certainly ran at 100 km/h but not sure about the 48s ever doing 115 km/h in practice.
Good job for a B class! Smile
The T classes are Still accredited to run at 100km/h on the V/line and Metro networks...
Dangersdan707
Ah, yet another disadvantage of the NSW gauge. Probably tip over on SG going round corners. Laughing
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Chumster looks good out there, but I'm holding out for a preserved Candy XPT trip to Mildura.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Works about to start?

https://careers.vic.gov.au/job/senior-advisor-communications-and-stakeholder-relations-murray-basin-rail-project-534534?returnurl=https%3A//careers.vic.gov.au/jobs/transport/rail-projects-victoria

Hiring is underway.
bevans
Funny but I thought that the Murray Basin Project was either 'finished' or more or less 'abandoned' due to having made a balls of the 'finished' bit!
Surely we need concrete, competent action not more spin as a substitute for achievement.

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