Murray Basin standardisation

 
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Works about to start?

https://careers.vic.gov.au/job/senior-advisor-communications-and-stakeholder-relations-murray-basin-rail-project-534534?returnurl=https%3A//careers.vic.gov.au/jobs/transport/rail-projects-victoria

Hiring is underway.
Surely we need concrete, competent action not more spin as a substitute.
YM-Mundrabilla
id settle for steel (sleeper) action for the most part to lower the cost.  But we've already discussed that at length....

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  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Works about to start?

https://careers.vic.gov.au/job/senior-advisor-communications-and-stakeholder-relations-murray-basin-rail-project-534534?returnurl=https%3A//careers.vic.gov.au/jobs/transport/rail-projects-victoria

Hiring is underway.
bevans

"... working within a high-performing project team ..."
"You will enjoy a fast paced, performance focused workplace ..."

Does this sound like the MBRP that we know?

Must have found themselves a new one.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Works about to start?

https://careers.vic.gov.au/job/senior-advisor-communications-and-stakeholder-relations-murray-basin-rail-project-534534?returnurl=https%3A//careers.vic.gov.au/jobs/transport/rail-projects-victoria

Hiring is underway.

"... working within a high-performing project team ..."
"You will enjoy a fast paced, performance focused workplace ..."

Does this sound like the MBRP that we know?

Must have found themselves a new one.
Lockspike
MBRP have hired a spin doctor to waste yet more money, thus getting closer to their goal of running out of money before they risk achieving anything useful.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

- Medium term the issue is still NOT addressed of a direct standard gauge route from Maryborough to Geelong via Warrenheip.

This robs rail of significant new export container traffic ex Ouyen which requires two train sets to run with the current longer route via Maroona, whereas only one train set if a more direct standard gauge route is provided to Geelong and Melbourne via Warrenheip.
Disregarding all the other problems mentioned at the moment but what is the new traffic from Ouyen, please ?

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Largely export hay, but check out the Ouyen Inc website for full details of the outbound traffics in their proposal.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

- Medium term the issue is still NOT addressed of a direct standard gauge route from Maryborough to Geelong via Warrenheip.

This robs rail of significant new export container traffic ex Ouyen which requires two train sets to run with the current longer route via Maroona, whereas only one train set if a more direct standard gauge route is provided to Geelong and Melbourne via Warrenheip.
Disregarding all the other problems mentioned at the moment but what is the new traffic from Ouyen, please ?

BigShunter.
Largely export hay, but check out the Ouyen Inc website for full details of the outbound traffics in their proposal.
kuldalai
Wonder if China canceling 25 export licences will affect the new freight traffic.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-20/china-export-problem-hits-hay-demand/100081272
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
No doubt there are reasons but it always intrigues me the power used on these trains.
I find it difficult to rationalise anything bigger than a single 48, 49 or T class.
YM-Mundrabilla

Unlike in your day, the railways don't have the luxury of millions of dollars of government funded locomotives in yards around the country doing nothing.

The operators get on with what they've got available on their roster.

And with the smaller locos you'd have to be stopping at every second dorp to fuel up.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No doubt there are reasons but it always intrigues me the power used on these trains.
I find it difficult to rationalise anything bigger than a single 48, 49 or T class.

Unlike in your day, the railways don't have the luxury of millions of dollars of government funded locomotives in yards around the country doing nothing.

The operators get on with what they've got available on their roster.

And with the smaller locos you'd have to be stopping at every second dorp to fuel up.
bingley hall
True - but some people are easily intrigued................ Laughing
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
"manage a high-performing team, facilitate high quality"
Facilitate high quality what? Maybe they should employ a comms bod to write a decent job description for the comms bod before they go advertising the comms bod job.

Y'all do realize that people get paid real money for this rubbish right?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Largely export hay, but check out the Ouyen Inc website for full details of the outbound traffics in their proposal.
kuldalai
And this is the answer, no new traffic yet, only what is proposed. The main reason for no new traffic is this,

Govt to work with Ouyen Inc, the Mallee community and stakeholders to commence actual work on the
Ouyen Intermodal with construction to commence in December 2021.


There is no facility to process the hay, some of the locals ( ouyen ) are sending hay during the hay season to a plant at Raywood which is part of the hay supplier at Epsom ( bendigo ) https://www.jctanloden.com.au/

Mr Munro, whose farms with his father, brother and uncle, is already a JC Tanloden supplier, and has
been for the past few years. During the oaten hay season, his family sends five or six, heavily-laden semitrailers to Tanloden's Raywood plant daily. "Having a similar facility in Ouyen would certainly cut our freight
costs," he said.


JC Tanloden already has two Victorian hay receival and processing facilities. One is at Epsom, an expanding
northern Bendigo suburb, and the other at Raywood, half an hour away again to the north-east.


The process for exportation of hay goes something like this, hay is trucked to a production site and stored in the sheds or warehouse until needed. Hay as it's being packed is compressed, say 4 bales compressed into the size of 1 and strapped, then packed into containers. All hay is weighed so the shipping containers are loaded close enough to their maximum weight, 33tonne. Then either trucked or railed to port. So that's what's happening with hay from Ouyen atm.

https://ouyen.vic.au/data/documents/Intermodal-Info.-Sheet-A03-New-Hay-Export-Facility.pdf

BigShunter.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
"manage a high-performing team, facilitate high quality"
Facilitate high quality what? Maybe they should employ a comms bod to write a decent job description for the comms bod before they go advertising the comms bod job.

Y'all do realize that people get paid real money for this rubbish right?
BrentonGolding
That's the scary thing.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

I wasn't sure where to post this story as the theme of Victoria's relatively poor track is across many threads, but Murray Basin standard gauge seemed a likely candidate.

NSW is rerailing Junee - Griffith, taking out 94lb and cascading it to (amongst other places, I guess) the NSW Rail Museum line centred around Thirlmere (former Picton - Mittagong Loop Line).

https://www.facebook.com/NSWRailMuseum/photos/pcb.4174156612645581/4174152685979307/
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I wasn't sure where to post this story as the theme of Victoria's relatively poor track is across many threads, but Murray Basin standard gauge seemed a likely candidate.

NSW is rerailing Junee - Griffith, taking out 94lb and cascading it to (amongst other places, I guess) the NSW Rail Museum line centred around Thirlmere (former Picton - Mittagong Loop Line).

https://www.facebook.com/NSWRailMuseum/photos/pcb.4174156612645581/4174152685979307/
Lockspike

That just takes me to a photo. Is there supposed to be some other information that you wanted to link to?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Probably meant to link to the post itself:
https://www.facebook.com/NSWRailMuseum/posts/4174156612645581

Although I'm not sure how any of that is relevant to the Murray Basin standardisation.
  Z VAN Junior Train Controller

I wasn't sure where to post this story as the theme of Victoria's relatively poor track is across many threads, but Murray Basin standard gauge seemed a likely candidate.

NSW is rerailing Junee - Griffith, taking out 94lb and cascading it to (amongst other places, I guess) the NSW Rail Museum line centred around Thirlmere (former Picton - Mittagong Loop Line).

https://www.facebook.com/NSWRailMuseum/photos/pcb.4174156612645581/4174152685979307/
Lockspike
I thought it was a good place to post the information as at least some of us will read it and think about the rail weight we are relaying between Maryborough to Ararat. Forty seven kilograms per metre some five kilograms per metre heavier than is being replaced in NSW. Not exactly a huge lift in potential axle load increase.
If you had posted this information to the Premier, Minister for Transport, Minister for infrastructure or any other person in position to actually implement any rail improvements the message would have been lost.
May the Murray Basin Project be completed.
PTE.
  richter170 Junior Train Controller

The Bungaree North line out of service since January this year, is about to have a contract let out for dismantling, transport to Inglewood and relaying between Dunolly and Inglewood.

Few things are really odd. The line closed in Jan, within a number of weeks the crossings were pulled out and points removed at Torpys Road. So any attempt to recover rail now means that it has to be trucked rather than transported on a rail train.

The 94lb rail has a number of welds in short sections as it was the main line to Adelaide until 1995. It is getting taken away in 13 meter lengths (standard flat bed truck) or 18 meters on an extendable with a permit. It will be needing to get rewelded when it arrives at Dunolly each weld only 13 meters apart.

The cost of transporting old 94 lb rail to Dunolly from Ballarat in short sections will be stupid. The 80lb currently in track between Dunolly and Inglewood is still holding up, and I believe to do the Murray Basin project a review needs to be taking place.

Timber sleepers are going in currently between Inglewood and Dunolly, if correct joint maintenance is undertaken the track should last a number of years with 80lb.

Money would be better spent reopening through Bridgewater and removing this BG bottleneck between Inglewood, Dunolly, Maryborough and Ballarat.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

The Bungaree North line out of service since January this year, is about to have a contract let out for dismantling, transport to Inglewood and relaying between Dunolly and Inglewood.

Few things are really odd. The line closed in Jan, within a number of weeks the crossings were pulled out and points removed at Torpys Road. So any attempt to recover rail now means that it has to be trucked rather than transported on a rail train.

The 94lb rail has a number of welds in short sections as it was the main line to Adelaide until 1995. It is getting taken away in 13 meter lengths (standard flat bed truck) or 18 meters on an extendable with a permit. It will be needing to get rewelded when it arrives at Dunolly each weld only 13 meters apart.

The cost of transporting old 94 lb rail to Dunolly from Ballarat in short sections will be stupid. The 80lb currently in track between Dunolly and Inglewood is still holding up, and I believe to do the Murray Basin project a review needs to be taking place.

Timber sleepers are going in currently between Inglewood and Dunolly, if correct joint maintenance is undertaken the track should last a number of years with 80lb.

Money would be better spent reopening through Bridgewater and removing this BG bottleneck between Inglewood, Dunolly, Maryborough and Ballarat.
richter170
Rail can be dragged a long way in long lengths, dont let the level crossing removal be the basis for an assumption it cant be transported by rail.

Short lengths is not the end of the world as a sound process would be to run the ultrasonic car of it and go through a process of weld removal (where most fatigue is) and send it via the flashbutt depot.   Though the same process via mobile flashbutt (cook it in the five foot at its new home) will often yield interesting economic evaluations.  

Horses for courses, the numbers are reasonably straight forward to estimate with relative certainty.

Seen a lot of tidy rail destroyed recently, Sth Gippsland being a prime example.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Rail can be dragged a long way in long lengths, dont let the level crossing removal be the basis for an assumption it cant be transported by rail.

Short lengths is not the end of the world as a sound process would be to run the ultrasonic car of it and go through a process of weld removal (where most fatigue is) and send it via the flashbutt depot.   Though the same process via mobile flashbutt (cook it in the five foot at its new home) will often yield interesting economic evaluations.
skitz
True, rail can be dragged a long way - adds a whole new meaning to "rail crossing"! Smile

Unless there are extenuating circumstances for its justification, cutting it into short lengths is not the end of the world, merely foolish.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's worth noting that concrete non-convertible BG sleepers are going in between Korong Vale and Lalbert at present (which has been 20-30 km/h for the past year).  Around 60% of existing sleepers replaced in this tie-renewal cycle so it should get back up to a reasonable line speed after it's done.

Ouyen to Murrayville is also getting significant concrete sleeper replacement shortly (SG).
  skitz Chief Commissioner

It's worth noting that concrete non-convertible BG sleepers are going in between Korong Vale and Lalbert at present (which has been 20-30 km/h for the past year).  Around 60% of existing sleepers replaced in this tie-renewal cycle so it should get back up to a reasonable line speed after it's done.

Ouyen to Murrayville is also getting significant concrete sleeper replacement shortly (SG).
Carnot
Yet there is no attention to making the rail continuously welded and addressing impact points?

Jointed concrete sleepered track is the realm of absolute fools.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It's worth noting that concrete non-convertible BG sleepers are going in between Korong Vale and Lalbert at present (which has been 20-30 km/h for the past year).  Around 60% of existing sleepers replaced in this tie-renewal cycle so it should get back up to a reasonable line speed after it's done.
Carnot
Based
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
It's worth noting that concrete non-convertible BG sleepers are going in between Korong Vale and Lalbert at present (which has been 20-30 km/h for the past year).  Around 60% of existing sleepers replaced in this tie-renewal cycle so it should get back up to a reasonable line speed after it's done.
Carnot
And thus cementing the future of the Murray Basin project.......
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's worth noting that concrete non-convertible BG sleepers are going in between Korong Vale and Lalbert at present (which has been 20-30 km/h for the past year).  Around 60% of existing sleepers replaced in this tie-renewal cycle so it should get back up to a reasonable line speed after it's done.
And thus cementing the future of the Murray Basin project.......
BrentonGolding
Pretty much.  And should be an incentive to reopen Inglewood to Eaglehawk as well for pathing options.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
It's worth noting that concrete non-convertible BG sleepers are going in between Korong Vale and Lalbert at present (which has been 20-30 km/h for the past year).  Around 60% of existing sleepers replaced in this tie-renewal cycle so it should get back up to a reasonable line speed after it's done.
And thus cementing the future of the Murray Basin project.......
BrentonGolding
Cementing the future or the lack thereof? Sad
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
The pragmatist in me appreciates that you can remove these in the event that standardisation eventually goes ahead.

Whoever is making these decisions at VLine though is incredibly short sighted.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Shortsighted, incompetent or just plain negligent?
Surely this must be government policy for some twisted reason?
The classic case of we could have our cake and eat it too if we were even half smart!Rolling Eyes
And we still wonder how the break of gauge came about 140 years ago.
Nothing has changed since. Where is the Opposition?
Not invented here. Those NSW bastards ......................
We will never know.

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