Murray Basin standardisation

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
With this talk of a truncated project, what about the claims that operators like PN will pack ups their trains and not offer service anymore?  Is this still the case, or are there enough trains to do the remaining BG for a while yet?

Will also be interesting to see how BG and SG networks compare.  This will be the first time that we get a good comparison of the costs of the two.  Not that we will see the numbers here on RP aside from some ESR numbers from AWB that show the upcountry transport costs.
james.au
An abnormally high ESR can indicate the presence of cancerous tumors.

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
With this talk of a truncated project, what about the claims that operators like PN will pack ups their trains and not offer service anymore?  Is this still the case, or are there enough trains to do the remaining BG for a while yet?

Will also be interesting to see how BG and SG networks compare.  This will be the first time that we get a good comparison of the costs of the two.  Not that we will see the numbers here on RP aside from some ESR numbers from AWB that show the upcountry transport costs.
An abnormally high ESR can indicate the presence of cancerous tumors.
YM-Mundrabilla
Abnormally high ESRs also represent excessive costs between silo and port for grain deliveries

(Sorry ESR = Estimated Silo Return)
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
With this talk of a truncated project, what about the claims that operators like PN will pack ups their trains and not offer service anymore?  Is this still the case, or are there enough trains to do the remaining BG for a while yet?

Will also be interesting to see how BG and SG networks compare.  This will be the first time that we get a good comparison of the costs of the two.  Not that we will see the numbers here on RP aside from some ESR numbers from AWB that show the upcountry transport costs.
An abnormally high ESR can indicate the presence of cancerous tumors.
Abnormally high ESRs also represent excessive costs between silo and port for grain deliveries

(Sorry ESR = Estimated Silo Return)
james.au
YABUA (Yet another bloody unexplained acronym)
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
PN have 4 or 5 rakes of grain hoppers stores (1 in use currently). At least 12 locos still on the BG with half at least stored I would guess if anyone can confirm? QUBE and SSR have one rake each with limited locos on the BG.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Calls for the business case for the remainder of the project to be released.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/renewed-calls-for-revised-murray-basin-rail-project-business-case-release

"Cargill believes it is in the interest of all stakeholders for the Victorian government to release the revised Murray Basin Rail Project business case, so we have clarification regarding the standardization of the Sea Lake and Manangatang rail lines, as originally planned," Cargill Corporate Affairs Director Peter McBride said.
Somebody

Since when have Cargill operated facilities in Victoria?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Calls for the business case for the remainder of the project to be released.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/renewed-calls-for-revised-murray-basin-rail-project-business-case-release

"Cargill believes it is in the interest of all stakeholders for the Victorian government to release the revised Murray Basin Rail Project business case, so we have clarification regarding the standardization of the Sea Lake and Manangatang rail lines, as originally planned," Cargill Corporate Affairs Director Peter McBride said.

Since when have Cargill operated facilities in Victoria?
bevans

Cargill owns the trading and origination arm of AWB, purchased in 2011- https://www.cargill.com.au/en/awb-origination

AWB operate the sites at Dimboola, Charlton, Birchip, Nullawil and Woorinen among others.
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
PN have 4 or 5 rakes of grain hoppers stores (1 in use currently). At least 12 locos still on the BG with half at least stored I would guess if anyone can confirm? QUBE and SSR have one rake each with limited locos on the BG.
cbinyon

Are these all BG rakes or some SG?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
PN have 4 or 5 rakes of grain hoppers stores (1 in use currently). At least 12 locos still on the BG with half at least stored I would guess if anyone can confirm? QUBE and SSR have one rake each with limited locos on the BG.

Are these all BG rakes or some SG?
NSWGR8022

Those rakes listed are all BG.
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
@Greensleeves are there grain wagons still stored at Ararat or are they now in the yard at Maryborough?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
@Greensleeves are there grain wagons still stored at Ararat or are they now in the yard at Maryborough?
NSWGR8022
Neither, the only hoppers at Ararat are ones that are being serviced. There's some at North Shore, a few at Murtoa and Dimboola as well. Mostly NSW rakes running SG here at the moment.
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
@Greensleeves are there grain wagons still stored at Ararat or are they now in the yard at Maryborough?
Neither, the only hoppers at Ararat are ones that are being serviced. There's some at North Shore, a few at Murtoa and Dimboola as well. Mostly NSW rakes running SG here at the moment.
Greensleeves

There is a wagon maintenance facility at ararat?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
@Greensleeves are there grain wagons still stored at Ararat or are they now in the yard at Maryborough?
Neither, the only hoppers at Ararat are ones that are being serviced. There's some at North Shore, a few at Murtoa and Dimboola as well. Mostly NSW rakes running SG here at the moment.

There is a wagon maintenance facility at ararat?
NSWGR8022
No, ad hoc repairs.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
Sea Lake is the other AWB site. Woorinen is Emerald Grain as is Nullawil
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
PN seem to be running more trains to Donald at the moment.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
PN seem to be running more trains to Donald at the moment.
NSWGR8022
What the hell is that post about ?

Are they running them up there on the back of a truck, flying them, any particular reason there going to Donald, washing or tune up perhaps !

It doesn't tell you 1 single thing, there probably running trains to a number of places, some accompanied information just might be a bit handy............. Rolling Eyes

Might rain next week.......... might not either....Idea

BigShunter.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Meaningful communication is not one of RP's strengths at the moment.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Meaningful communication is not one of RP's strengths at the moment.
YM-Mundrabilla
It never has been! Myself included!
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

PN seem to be running more trains to Donald at the moment.
What the hell is that post about ?

Are they running them up there on the back of a truck, flying them, any particular reason there going to Donald, washing or tune up perhaps !

It doesn't tell you 1 single thing, there probably running trains to a number of places, some accompanied information just might be a bit handy............. Rolling Eyes

Might rain next week.......... might not either....Idea

BigShunter.
BigShunter
I see your manners have not changed..................full of BS...............
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Told by a friend PN are running extra trains to Donald PeaCo as the export of their product has been increasing.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I see your manners have not changed..................full of BS...............
trainbrain
Well I thought we sat in the same boat, except you were a few seats in front of me..

Anyhow the additional info has now been add, well done and sounds great for PeaCo and the Donald area.

BigShunter.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Only because the Wakefield's loading is so large at the moment, and the 1200m maximum length trains, PeaCo can only get a few wagons on the 7901, so PN run the extra 7903.  With the good harvest last year and looking good for this year here's hoping for more trains.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How many wagons now coming from PeaCo ?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How many wagons now coming from PeaCo ?
freightgate

Ghaploop says circa 20 wagons per train.  Not bad.

Mildura goods is up over 60 wagons per train at the present time.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
PN seem to be running more trains to Donald at the moment.
What the hell is that post about ?

Are they running them up there on the back of a truck, flying them, any particular reason there going to Donald, washing or tune up perhaps !

It doesn't tell you 1 single thing, there probably running trains to a number of places, some accompanied information just might be a bit handy............. Rolling Eyes

Might rain next week.......... might not either....Idea

BigShunter.
I see your manners have not changed..................full of BS...............
trainbrain
I'll take the contributions of Shunter who on the whole gives us informative, well thought out and well written posts full of items of interest every time over the drivel posted by many other posters on RP

Carry on BSing Shunter and keep it rubber side down!

BG
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
Only because the Wakefield's loading is so large at the moment, and the 1200m maximum length trains, PeaCo can only get a few wagons on the 7901, so PN run the extra 7903.  With the good harvest last year and looking good for this year here's hoping for more trains.
Donald
There's also extra loading coming out of Merbein so 7903/4V take the Donald load as well as the extra load that couldn't be accomodated onto 7901/2V.
for a couple months recently they were getting by running separate trains to Donald as 7907/8V but once the loading picked up a bit more at Merbein that stopped.

As a Mildura resident there is currently 10 trains a week heading up to Merbein. These are my observations of the current arrangement -

Tuesday: Down 7901V arrives usually in the very early afternoon. Departs as 7902V at around 2300hrs (timetabled to leave at 2130hrs but it leaves later than timetabled to facilitate a cross at Maryborough. Once 7903/4V is no longer needed i would say it would go back to the normal timetable)

Wednesday: Down 7903V arrives usually in the early afternoon. Departs as 7904V at around the same time? (I'm not sure).

Thursday: Down 7901V arrives in the early afternoon. Departs as 7902V at around 2300hrs.

Friday: Down 7903V arrives in the early to mid afternoon. unloads at Merbein then heads to stable at Yelta.

Saturday: Down 7901V arrives in the early to mid afternoon. Unloads and stables overnight.

Sunday: Up 7902V departs Merbein usually around 1600hrs.

Monday: up 7903V departs Merbein usually at around 2045hrs.

and repeat.

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