Murray Basin standardisation

 
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
PN seem to be running more trains to Donald at the moment.
What the hell is that post about ?

Are they running them up there on the back of a truck, flying them, any particular reason there going to Donald, washing or tune up perhaps !

It doesn't tell you 1 single thing, there probably running trains to a number of places, some accompanied information just might be a bit handy............. Rolling Eyes

Might rain next week.......... might not either....Idea

BigShunter.
I see your manners have not changed..................full of BS...............
I'll take the contributions of Shunter who on the whole gives us informative, well thought out and well written posts full of items of interest every time over the drivel posted by many other posters on RP

Carry on BSing Shunter and keep it rubber side down!

BG
BrentonGolding
"well thought out and well written posts full of items of interest every time over the drivel posted by many other posters on RP"

Well there's his problem, he'll never fit in at Netherby.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Only yesterday (1/9) I wrote a post in support of those posters here on RP who take the time to write cogent, comprehensive and informative posts. I also 'criticised' those who have a one line thought bubble and who carelessly post it.

I found again, at that time and needless to say, that the greater effort one puts into a post the more likely RP is to devour it to a place unknown never to be seen again. That is what happened yesterday. Rolling Eyes

In summary we should all strive to contribute:

  • A complete and informative post.
  • Is it a one line thought bubble without context?
  • Read what you have written.
  • Does it make sense?
  • Does it contain meaningless/unexplained acronyms?
  • Is your post intended to inform/advance the forum knowledge or to inflate yourself as a clever dick?

Always write any comprehensive and worthwhile post in Word (or similar) so that when RP eats it without trace all is not lost.
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
PN seem to be running more trains to Donald at the moment.
NSWGR8022

7902V through Gheringhap https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2189013.htm#2189013 today

  Duncs Chief Commissioner

How many wagons now coming from PeaCo ?

Ghaploop says circa 20 wagons per train.  Not bad.

Mildura goods is up over 60 wagons per train at the present time.
bevans
How long would that train be? Assuming an average length of 20 meters we get to 1200 meters. Not including the locomotives. Here I assuming two 3300 hp locos. So for example. Any two of:G, BL or XR class. That sounds like the largest train that can operate with Victoria.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
How many wagons now coming from PeaCo ?

Ghaploop says circa 20 wagons per train.  Not bad.

Mildura goods is up over 60 wagons per train at the present time.
How long would that train be? Assuming an average length of 20 meters we get to 1200 meters. Not including the locomotives. Here I assuming two 3300 hp locos. So for example. Any two of:G, BL or XR class. That sounds like the largest train that can operate with Victoria.
Duncs

1200 metres is the longest permissable length on the Vline network, ARTC generally allow up to 1800 metres (east-west) or 1500 metres (north-south), though they sometimes put out a TOC waiver allowing for trains over 1500 metres to Brisbane.

Going back to the Merbein, the majority of the flats used are 19.2 metres (RETY, RQCY, RQTY, VQCY etc.) though there are roughly 20-odd REBY's and NQTY's running on 7901V/7902V that come in at 14.2 metres and the train is typically hauled by three 3,000hp locos from the 81/BL/G/XR stables.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

How many wagons now coming from PeaCo ?

Ghaploop says circa 20 wagons per train.  Not bad.

Mildura goods is up over 60 wagons per train at the present time.
How long would that train be? Assuming an average length of 20 meters we get to 1200 meters. Not including the locomotives. Here I assuming two 3300 hp locos. So for example. Any two of:G, BL or XR class. That sounds like the largest train that can operate with Victoria.

1200 metres is the longest permissable length on the Vline network, ARTC generally allow up to 1800 metres (east-west) or 1500 metres (north-south), though they sometimes put out a TOC waiver allowing for trains over 1500 metres to Brisbane.

Going back to the Merbein, the majority of the flats used are 19.2 metres (RETY, RQCY, RQTY, VQCY etc.) though there are roughly 20-odd REBY's and NQTY's running on 7901V/7902V that come in at 14.2 metres and the train is typically hauled by three 3,000hp locos from the 81/BL/G/XR stables.
Greensleeves
Thanks for that.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
How many wagons now coming from PeaCo ?

Ghaploop says circa 20 wagons per train.  Not bad.

Mildura goods is up over 60 wagons per train at the present time.
How long would that train be? Assuming an average length of 20 meters we get to 1200 meters. Not including the locomotives. Here I assuming two 3300 hp locos. So for example. Any two of:G, BL or XR class. That sounds like the largest train that can operate with Victoria.

1200 metres is the longest permissable length on the Vline network, ARTC generally allow up to 1800 metres (east-west) or 1500 metres (north-south), though they sometimes put out a TOC waiver allowing for trains over 1500 metres to Brisbane.

Going back to the Merbein, the majority of the flats used are 19.2 metres (RETY, RQCY, RQTY, VQCY etc.) though there are roughly 20-odd REBY's and NQTY's running on 7901V/7902V that come in at 14.2 metres and the train is typically hauled by three 3,000hp locos from the 81/BL/G/XR stables.
Thanks for that.
Duncs

They could probably make a good argument with Vline to let them run the main train at 1500m given that everything else has to be held for it anyway on that route and there's not as much grain running currently, but with siding lengths at Merbein already an issue the way they're running it at the moment (the total siding space at Merbein is only around 920-950 metres IIRC) it's probably more hassle than it'd be worth.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic

They could probably make a good argument with Vline to let them run the main train at 1500m given that everything else has to be held for it anyway on that route and there's not as much grain running currently, but with siding lengths at Merbein already an issue the way they're running it at the moment (the total siding space at Merbein is only around 920-950 metres IIRC) it's probably more hassle than it'd be worth.
Greensleeves
Merbein Siding lengths.

Siding 'A' is 240m.
Siding 'B' is 310m.
Siding 'C' is 444m.

So, 994m. And there isn't the space to expand.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria

They could probably make a good argument with Vline to let them run the main train at 1500m given that everything else has to be held for it anyway on that route and there's not as much grain running currently, but with siding lengths at Merbein already an issue the way they're running it at the moment (the total siding space at Merbein is only around 920-950 metres IIRC) it's probably more hassle than it'd be worth.Merbein Siding lengths.

Siding 'A' is 240m.
Siding 'B' is 310m.
Siding 'C' is 444m.

So, 994m. And there isn't the space to expand.
Jack Le Lievre
yep, so when a 1200m train has run to Merbein they have to use Yelta to store some excess wagons and on the weekends when 7903/4 is also stabled at Yelta some more wagons have to be taken to Carwarp for storage. The Mildura cement siding was kept for this very reason but hasn't been used yet (on SG) I'm told due to V/line apparently not allowing it. Might anyone have any ideas why?

Also, on the other side of one of the sidings (Siding C?) is a fair amount of empty land. couldn't they build another (admittedly small) siding using that land?
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
Is not the collection of additional cars at Donald or Ouyen also a contributor to the train length?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is not the collection of additional cars at Donald or Ouyen also a contributor to the train length?
justarider

Ouyen?  What is happening there.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
Is not the collection of additional cars at Donald or Ouyen also a contributor to the train length?

Ouyen?  What is happening there.
bevans
Not much, just available.

Edit. I stand corrected. The siding is disconnected.
Possible, a short set comming from Murrayville which is not worth a stand-alone journey to port.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Are containers being loaded at Ouyan these  days ?
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
Are containers being loaded at Ouyan these  days ?
freightgate
A sad NO.
For gunzels only https://ouyen.vic.au/ouyen-intermodal-terminal-project/

Disconnect the siding removed any choice to do anything
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
JaR,
There have been several 7907/8 trips to Donald with PeaCo loading because of the size of loading from Merbein.
This with the 7903/4 trains is a good indication of what is needed after a good harvest.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
JaR,
There have been several 7907/8 trips to Donald with PeaCo loading because of the size of loading from Merbein.
This with the 7903/4 trains is a good indication of what is needed after a good harvest.
Donald

7903 ran today with 23 wagons.
  Bonzel Junior Train Controller

About 8 to 10 off at Donald rest for Merbien.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

They need to retsore some of the yard at Mildura.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
There's also extra loading coming out of Merbein so 7903/4V take the Donald load as well as the extra load that couldn't be accomodated onto 7901/2V.
for a couple months recently they were getting by running separate trains to Donald as 7907/8V but once the loading picked up a bit more at Merbein that stopped.

As a Mildura resident there is currently 10 trains a week heading up to Merbein. These are my observations of the current arrangement -

Tuesday: Down 7901V arrives usually in the very early afternoon. Departs as 7902V at around 2300hrs (timetabled to leave at 2130hrs but it leaves later than timetabled to facilitate a cross at Maryborough. Once 7903/4V is no longer needed i would say it would go back to the normal timetable)

Wednesday: Down 7903V arrives usually in the early afternoon. Departs as 7904V at around the same time? (I'm not sure).

Thursday: Down 7901V arrives in the early afternoon. Departs as 7902V at around 2300hrs.

Friday: Down 7903V arrives in the early to mid afternoon. unloads at Merbein then heads to stable at Yelta.

Saturday: Down 7901V arrives in the early to mid afternoon. Unloads and stables overnight.

Sunday: Up 7902V departs Merbein usually around 1600hrs.

Monday: up 7903V departs Merbein usually at around 2045hrs.

and repeat.
Lachlan's Train Channel
Here's an excellent clip from Graeme, that shows just how long these trains have grown. She's seems to be cruising along a quite reasonable speed as well.  

If you look at the list of trains out of Merbein and the length of this big boy, gives you an idea of just how much produce comes out of the Sunraysia district, amazing. Also we have Donalds PeaCo poking out the goods, so there's certainly some traffic on the line at present.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8856eaPUKI

BigShunter.

how's that Canola looking.........
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
how's that Canola looking.........
BigShunter
Canola was looking very good around Clarkefield when I cruised through on Friday aboard the horizontal elevator.

Don't know if I have posted this before or not but a coupla years back I was on an all stopper rail replacement coach from The Maine to Southern Cross. Taking the backroads from Gizzy through to Scummers we got a great view of the Spring Canola crop in all it's glory.

The pax around me were all middle aged Chinese women and their reaction to the sea of gold was priceless. Both the crop and the amazement of the onlookers were a sight to see!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently the October 6 Federal Budget will include a whole lot of infrastructure spending. It'll be interesting to see if MBRP completion is in the mix...
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Apparently the October 6 Federal Budget will include a whole lot of infrastructure spending. It'll be interesting to see if MBRP completion is in the mix...
Carnot
one can only hope, but dont bet on it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Apparently the October 6 Federal Budget will include a whole lot of infrastructure spending. It'll be interesting to see if MBRP completion is in the mix...
one can only hope, but dont bet on it.
Galron

Presumably in response to the new business case which has been sent north.

I saw a comment earlier in the thread around a lack of siding capacity in Mildura (a lot of capacity was pulled out of the Mildura are when SG went through)

Can someone describe the current problem?
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
Apparently the October 6 Federal Budget will include a whole lot of infrastructure spending. It'll be interesting to see if MBRP completion is in the mix...
one can only hope, but dont bet on it.

Presumably in response to the new business case which has been sent north.

I saw a comment earlier in the thread around a lack of siding capacity in Mildura (a lot of capacity was pulled out of the Mildura are when SG went through)

Can someone describe the current problem?
bevans
Currently they have less than 1km of space at Merbein. So when a 1.2km 7901/2V has run they essentially have to use the mainline as a siding aswell. On the weekends around this time of year when there's a second train up here stabled at Yelta on the weekends they also have to run to Carwarp to store some wagons.
the Mildura cement siding was standardised for this very reason but hasn't been allowed to be used by V/Line I'm told.
If they rebuilt a siding or two out the front of Mildura station (as apparently there isnt the space to expand at Merbein) this wouldn't be an issue. It's just a bit dumb IMO that they have to use Carwarp and Yelta for stabling (neither of which is fenced leaving trains (and especially the locos) prone to vandalism).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Here are some photos online at Railpage covering Mildura Yard in 2003.  It was used quite a bit then.

Victrack has really done a number on Miludra as well making near impossible to make a business work.


https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?image=17794


https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?image=17791


https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?image=17819

Album: https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?album=album174

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