In a move that surprised quite a few gunzels, C510 was spot-hired by SCT after one of their own locos couldn't be used to haul 3GX1 (Parkes to Port Germain), & was sighted at Crystal Brook around 2pm today with 22 wagons.X is Port Augusta.
Port Germein has only a passing loop ie no sidings. How would they do this on what is a busy part of the network
These moves have been going on for a couple of months now and as far as I know go against ARTC general business rules, though things may have changed. Other operators services have been delayed by these moves on several occasions so I'm surprised it has continued to happen.
Great update BH. Why would the shunting of trains at Port Germein be against ARTC rules? Can you please explain further?My understanding, confirmed by a former ARTC employee, is that shunting on the mainline at a crossing loop is a no-no in general circumstances form a safeworking perspective and from disruption to the network. This exchange of wagons at Pt G can block both the mainline and the crossing loop for 60-90 minutes preventing any other train from passing and effectively blocking two running sections.
Customers need to deliver wagons that is why they use the network.
I thought I'd seen that siding...
Regardless of what has been posted above there is a short stub siding at Port Germein as images posted elsewhere clearly show. C510 was stowed in the siding there along with a couple of flatcars loaded with rails that were already there.
Crystal Brook has two separate grain loading facilities that would be blocked in by these shunts.
Crystal Brook would be the perfect place to do that that. Looking at the location on google earth the yard area is quite long and there does appear to be space for an additional track or two. is that all Crystal Brook would require?I suggest you contact ARTC and SCT and tell them they've got it all wrong then.
I suggest you contact ARTC and SCT and tell them they've got it all wrong then.
Very kind of you also to offer to pay for the additional signalling and switches that would be required at Crystal Brook compared to Pt Germein.
Why your approach? Crystal Brook does make sense as previous suggested by another user.
Please explain your comments about ARTC having it wrong. The issue we are discussing is the lack of infrastructure at Port Germein which does not allow shunting and management of trains.
In other words customers of ARTC are forced to break ARTC's own rules. What has not been discussed is why SCT do not use Port Augusta Yard. However as pointed out this is a longer distance for wagons.
Please explain why additional signalling would be required as there are already grain sidings in the yard.
it may come as a shock to some on this forum but ARTC are there to provide services to customers who wish to use the network. That is their charter. I get it, let's ignore the problem and hope it goes away.
We are talking about a shunt move of 10-20 wagons twice a week here and you're wanting to put in $1m plus of taxpayer funded infrastructure in at Crystal Brook to accommodate it.
If there's a grain train in the siding when SCT wants to do their shunt, SCT will just sit down on the main line blocking access to the network for other operators - you seem to think that bending over backwards for SCT is OK, but it's fine to disadvantage other operators.