Haskell announces WA L class diesel, rtr HO

 
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.


Hot on the heals of the Southern Rail samples, Haskell has released sample pics of their previously unannounced L class model! More info on their facebook page https://www.facebook.com/HaskellCoTaiwan

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  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Your slipping Poath, saw that 16 minutes ago.........

Still interesting news indeed, and being launched at the Perth show, a very  respectful move.

Regards,
David Head
  Marbelup Station Master

Location: Perth, Western Australia
I will check it out tomorrow at the Perth (WA) Exhibition.
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

Will definitely be having a look tomorrow!
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

You've got to be kidding! Years of waiting and then there are two?

It's great for the consumer to have choice but I do wonder if the hobby can support all of the double-ups we have seen recently.

There are no 'modern' WA versions advertised so my money is still going to SRM. Off to the show for a look...

P.S. What about a Westrail Q class, someone?
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You've got to be kidding! Years of waiting and then there are two?

It's great for the consumer to have choice but I do wonder if the hobby can support all of the double-ups we have seen recently.

There are no 'modern' WA versions advertised so my money is still going to SRM. Off to the show for a look...

P.S. What about a Westrail Q class, someone?
wagrttn


Well there are no rules for model duplication, or triplication. Given the track record with the Wuiske's 1550 and now the 2400, I'd say "modern L's  may come.

And I strongly suggest a good talk to Keiren at the show. He may get data on possible 12mm WA prototypes and 16. as well.

Was the Westrail Q the same as the current weipa based Rio Tinto locos ?

Regards,
David Head
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Was the Westrail Q the same as the current weipa based Rio Tinto locos ?
That'd be the S Class (JT42C) not the Q (GT46C).

Spoke with Kieran Haskell over facebook and he informed me that he won't say what's coming until it's not far off arriving (6-8 months away) so who knows what he's got planned.
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
I looked the L today, very impressive. A few details to fix but runs very nicely. He does have some other plans but not willing to share with anyone just yet.

Regards
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

I have been studying the L class offerings from Southern Rail Models and Haskell Co. and thought I would offer some observations. My observations are based upon currently available evidence of what the two manufacturers are offering and are open to correction should further information come to hand. I’m no expert on the L class. I just see what I see. I posted this here to distance it from the distractions in the other thread.

The two companies have taken different approaches. SRM have covered many variants and liveries to widen the sales appeal of their product whereas Haskell have focussed on the WAGR locomotives and the two companies tooling is reflective of this.

Haskell offer the original window style only, SRM the original and modified.

The two companies have treated the intake behind the cab in different ways. Haskell have moulded the folds and ‘vanes’ in plastic whereas SRM have used an etched grill cover. The actual feature that is more prominent on the real locomotive seems to depend upon the lighting conditions of the moment.

On the L class there are variations seen in the vertical, slender box fairings on the sides of the body (one tall and one short per side). SRM have chosen one style (without louvers) and moulded them integrally with the body. Therefore these are correct for only some of the models they are offering. Haskell offer the option of plain or louvered style for the taller of the fairings and a trapezoid-shaped louvered style for the shorter fairing which seems to have been the more common type.

Many (most/all?) original L class featured three rows of rooftop louvers behind the cab. Most upgraded locomotives appear to now have only a single row.  Haskell provide the option of either three rows or a single row as appropriate whereas SRM have moulded a single row only.

The combination of the original windows and air conditioner box is offered by Haskell but not by SRM.

Haskell offer an un-decorated model and if you ask nicely they will throw in all of the optional pieces so that the purchaser can assemble the closest possible representation of their chosen prototype. This could be useful for anyone wishing to model the WA liveries not yet offered by any company or some of the shabby old L’s that were still getting around in WA until recently.

So, if you need the modified windows then only SRM offer these but some moulded on body details may not be accurate for your subject. If SRM had moulded separate, optional parts to cover the two variations in rooftop louvers and the two or three variations in the body side fairings then they would have just about everything covered. As it stands, however, if you need a body with the original style windows then you have a choice and it’s always nice to have a choice.
  M636C Minister for Railways

It is sad that neither company offers the last two L class 274 and 275, nor the two Comalco locomotives that later carried the numbers L 276 and L 277.....

The same problem occurred with the Victorian T class where both manufacturers produced models of T357 to T366 but neither modelled T347 to T356. Since there are ten of each in this case, it is even less justified than in the case of the L class.

The louvres discussed above, both those on the roof and on the sides, are associated with the carbody pressurisation which was eventually removed from all units, and these  features vary as a result of the removal process.

The last four units did not have pressurisation.

The best way of modelling L274 to L277 would be to put an L class cab on a VR C class but certain other features need modification.

M636C
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
nor the two Comalco locomotives that later carried the numbers L 276 and L 277.....
M636C
It has been suggested to Haskell to do these two, who knows what he has down the pipeline.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Kieren know my liking for the Comalco units. So does Southern Models. Give 'em time to get around to them I say.

As usual having two brands producing the same loco means I as a modeller get to get many more variations of the same loco......

What I buy, I'll tell you in 4 years time 🙂

Regards,
David Head
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

Haskell Co. have pictures of pre-production painted L Class and some production progress at:

http://haskellco.net/west_australian_ho_models

and

https://www.facebook.com/HaskellCoTaiwan

Thanks for L 3115 in the ARG/Westrail yellow. That's going to save me a lot of painting!
  M636C Minister for Railways

Haskell Co. have pictures of pre-production painted L Class and some production progress at:

http://haskellco.net/west_australian_ho_models

and

https://www.facebook.com/HaskellCoTaiwan

Thanks for L 3115 in the ARG/Westrail yellow. That's going to save me a lot of painting!
"wagrttn"


The L 3115 would still need to be repainted with the multiple different patches of different shades of yellow to look anything like the prototype...

The real L 3115 didn't look nearly as good as the model, not even on the day it was finished in that particular livery...

It would be nice to have a model of how it was supposed to look...

M636C
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver



The L 3115 would still need to be repainted with the multiple different patches of different shades of yellow to look anything like the prototype...

The real L 3115 didn't look nearly as good as the model, not even on the day it was finished in that particular livery...

It would be nice to have a model of how it was supposed to look...

M636C
"M636C"


Yes, quite a bit of work will be required in order to represent L3115 accurately (ie actually do some modelling) but I would much rather begin with a prestine model and then selectively mask and fade than have to start from scratch in painting and decals. I think that the chances of any manufacturer correctly representing the finish on a subject as neglected, patchy and dirty as L3115 lay somewhere between nil and none.

Now I shall have to build a rake of grotty old grain wagons for it to pull.

Regards

Drew
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Photos of the production models have started appearing on the Facebook site.
https://www.facebook.com/HaskellCoTaiwan

  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Prototype L3115 has ditch lights front and rear, these are missing from the model.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
They're being sold with ditch light parts to fit but they're non functional on this version.
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

They're being sold with ditch light parts to fit but they're non functional on this version.
GT46C-ACe
Yes, Haskell advise that the non-functioning ditch lights are included as separate parts to suit those purchasers who wish their model to represent L3115 as it was prior to the ditch lights being fitted. I'm baffled by this as L3115 has always had ditch lights whilst featuring the ARG logos of this model's livery.

Some drilling of holes, gluing, lighting and wiring will be required in order to achieve functioning ditch lights. This work will be easier with the parts separate than if the pieces had come glued to the model. Considering that back in June at the AMRA Perth show Mr Haskell was not contemplating producing any of the 'modern' WA versions I'm quite happy that most of the work to model L3115 has already been done for me.
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

Hi All

My ARG L3115 arrived today and very nice it is too. It is predictably more refined than the development example which was displayed earlier in the year in Perth e.g. the grills over the fans are now etched metal and are different grades/pitch/sizes (or whatever the correct term is) and effectively portray the impression of the different mesh over the radiator and brake fans.

The painting and printing is mostly of a high standard. Macro photography reveals broken coverage on the diagonal black stripes where they negotiate their way over the raised detail of the front headlight housing. This trouble could have so easily been avoided if Haskell had noticed that on the real locomotive the stripes don't actually continue over the housing at all and they should have just left it yellow (Edit: the unfortunate result of an error at the factory, apparently).

The model came with a small bag of parts: the ventilator from the short hood, two MU connection cover flaps and the four ditch lights particular to L3115.

It is a very nice model correctly displaying the features of an early L class (refer to an earlier post regarding roof top louvers and side fairings). I may attempt to post some pictures tonight if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Photos of the orange locos are up.  

I'm still deciding if I get one, but the quality of some of the painting on these latest ones leaves a doubt in my mind.
If they were samples I'd let it pass, but these are described as production run locos.  Look at the blue around the marker lights and around all the detail spots on the sides.

https://www.facebook.com/HaskellCoTaiwan


  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

I have uploaded a hand full of photos of Haskell Co.'s L3115 along with a couple of shots of a very forlorn-looking L3115 taken yesterday for reference.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskhbRgcV

Edit: 21/9/15 Added a picture of the bag of small parts supplied with the model.

Of note is the broken printing where the black diagonal stripes struggle over the raised detail of the headlight housing (which should be plain yellow anyway), the black anti-glare panel which incorrectly extends down over the edges to meet the diagonal stripes (Haskell doesn’t agree with me but check pictures on the Web) and the undersized ARG logo on the long nose. Did Haskell just guess that the logo at this end was the same size as on the cab end? Hmmm... L3115 has had the large logo since at least 2009 and perhaps always did.

As for the tooling, there is a join between top and bottom just below the footplate and behind the steps which will be more obvious on other paint schemes than it is on this one.

Overall I am happy with my purchase. It is the only way to obtain an L class with the three rows of rooftop louvers, the trapezoid shaped narrow louvered fairings (which seem to have been the most common style - located on the sides towards the long-end nose) and an air conditioner box in combination with the original style windows (currently it is also approximately $100 cheaper than its competition). The quality of the moulding is good. The quality of the printing is sharp, except for the aforementioned problems around some raised detail. The availability of the out of the box L3115 scheme will save me a lot of work however not as much as it should have. I feel that more care should have been taken to avoid the mistakes in the livery.
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
Yes, Haskell advise that the non-functioning ditch lights are included as separate parts to suit those purchasers who wish their model to represent L3115 as it was prior to the ditch lights being fitted. I'm baffled by this as L3115 has always had ditch lights whilst featuring the ARG logos of this model's livery.

wagrttn
L 268 (later to be 3115) had ditchlights when it was first painted yellow (with the Westrail lettering).  I'm not sure if they were installed before this, but I suspect not, probably they were part of the overhaul that took place at that time (released to traffic Jan 1999).

Thanks for the review of the model, most interesting.

Regards
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My L261 arrived this afternoon. Followign the instruction I had the dumm fuel tank off, then two screws out to release the body.  I used a TCS DPUK decoder, and Make you you get it in the right way so the direction is right, ingt he worng way the lights do not work.  The top speed is not at warp zone. Nice and slow.

And It was bought on price and choice. I would get a Southern Models one too, but cannot afford it, as the sound one is a good price if one removes $200 off it as if it had no decoder. Assuming the non sound one has a decoder as well, hence it's  pirce as well($100 for the decoder perhaps).  I'll mention this as I have no beef with either and ideally want one of each.  

For now I am happy with my Haskill L class. It's on the layout.


Regards,
David Head
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

Because I previously made note of some broken printing around raised detail on my Haskell ARG L3115 I thought it fair to post that yesterday I saw a Haskell grey and blue L class in the flesh and the application of the printing was flawless. It doesn't suit my modelling era but, gee, it would sure look nice on the shelf.

I'm also going to plug Marbelup Models forthcoming WAGR WW grain hopper as a suitable load for a L. http://marbelupmodels.blogspot.com.au/

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