Southern Cross station platform allocation

 
  doyle Junior Train Controller

This is more of a personal gripe,
I can't stand waiting at platform 7 (SCS) only to hear that eloquent voice over the loud speaker that my train has had a 'platform change' and rush over to platform 16 with minutes to spare
(and no I'm not lazy)

Why is it that vline passenger trains leave and arrive from mostly any (regional) platforms at Southern Cross station, the way the platform allocations are at present seem chaotic at best.

Why isn't there any platform uniformity for train destination and arrivals?

I suggest

Platforms 15 & 16
Traralgon, Bairnsdale & Seymour

8s
Wyndham Vale & Bacchus Marsh locals (provide Ardeer & Dear Park passengers some certainty and uniformity, two separate lines will serve both stations from 21st June

8a & 8b
Geelong & Waurn Ponds

7a & 7b
Ballarat, Wendouree, Ararat & Maryborough

5 & 6
Bendigo & Epsom

2a 2b 3a 3b & 4a 4b
Mainly LD trains Warnambool, Echuca, Swan Hill, Shepparton, Albury & Adelaide

Platform 1 Sydney XPT

Possibly other combinations

1
Sydney

2a 2b
Bendigo, Swan Hill & Echuca & Albury

3a 3b & 4a 4b
Ballarat, Wendouree, Ararat & Maryborough plus Bacchus Marsh locals

5 & 6
LD trains

7a 7b 8a 8b
Geelong, Waurn Ponds

8s
Wyndham Vale locals

This would provide much needed certainty or is there some kind of operational difficulty, is it problematic?



Doyle

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Having experienced this myself I can empathise with you.

The problem is there is a significant back track from that platform to the escalators or stairs and ten up to the Barriers two levels and then across and down to a platform which is usually crowded.

The issue would not be such if the underground walkway had not been removed from the new design. Would hae been easier.
  mm42 Train Controller

While I sympathize with you, most passengers make it hard for themselves by taking the LONG route to platform 16. They head to the south end of the platform, out the barriers, up 2 escalators, through barriers again, then down another escalator.  Much easier to head north to the Bourke Street Bridge, because it's much shorter and there's no need to go through barriers.

Vline should be obliged to send a staff member to the platform EVERY time there is such a platform change, to check that everyone is aware of the change, assist any passengers with mobility needs, and if necessary delay the train until all passengers have changed platform.
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
Platform 8 may be handed over to Metro some time in the near future.

Also, your platform arrangements have ignored where the Standard Gauge is on some.
Probably best 15/16 to Geelong, because it is the most frequent, and that way you foul up less trains trying to move things across (it doesn't have to use the Franklin St Flyover to access the RRL lines)
  doyle Junior Train Controller

Standard gauge is on platform 1 & 2?
  doyle Junior Train Controller

If platform 8 were to be handed to metro the other platforms could still be arranged better, agree Geelong services probably should be on 15 & 16 one day Geelong line will be electrified

Doyle
  doyle Junior Train Controller

If platform 8 were to be handed to metro the other platforms could still be arranged better, agree Geelong services probably should be on 15 & 16 one day Geelong line will be electrified

Doyle
  doyle Junior Train Controller

If platform 8 were to be handed to metro the other platforms could still be arranged better, agree Geelong services probably should be on 15 & 16 one day Geelong line will be electrified

Doyle
  doyle Junior Train Controller

Sorry bloody Exetel and it's nbn as well
  AzN_dj Chief Commissioner

Location: Along route 69
Probably best to put Seymour and Shepparton in the same place.
  doyle Junior Train Controller

Seymour, Shepparton, Albury, Sydney & Adelaide
1 2a 2b

Bendigo, Swan Hill, Echuca
3a 3b 4a 4b

Wyndham Vale & Bacchus Marsh Locals
5 & 6

Ballarat, Wendouree, Ararat & Maryborough
7a 7b

Metro
8a 8b 8s

Traralgon, Bairnsdale & Geelong Warnambool
15 &16

Doyle
  TOQ-1 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Given that Seymour and Shepparton Services have to travel out through North Melbourne, wouldn't putting them in platform 8 be better for access to the network given it's already controlled by Metro - giving them a much clearer path out? Although I suppose given that much of the trains are loco hauled, they probably need better access to the yards.

As long as no peak trains are sent to Platforms 1, 2 and 8s. The lack of connectivity to either concourse causes problems for connecting to other services.
  doyle Junior Train Controller

Ballarat & Geelong should be on platforms close to each other as both lines service Ardeer & Dear Park 8,7,6 & 5

Even though Geelong should be 15 16 probably better at the moment for Bendigo or Seymour to depart from 15 16

Arrg it's all to hard but it needs to be much better than the chaos it is now

I take you're point for better access to metro control through North Melbourne

Doyle
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
This is more of a personal gripe,
I can't stand waiting at platform 7 (SCS) only to hear that eloquent voice over the loud speaker that my train has had a 'platform change' and rush over to platform 16 with minutes to spare
(and no I'm not lazy)
doyle
The worst is when your platform change is the the dreaded 8 South!
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Much depends upon the overall status of the operation.  If your train was due on 7 but is perhaps late arriving and there's a set available to go on time on another platform I can understand V/Line's logic in transposing the two even if it's late notice and means passengers have a brisk and lengthy walk on occasions.

Or the set on 7 might need to go elsewhere at short notice to cover for something else in the system.

Flinders Street normally has each line assigned to a designated pair of platforms (mostly the two faces of a single island) but there are many exceptions and transposals sometimes at very short notice.  As an example there was some slight disruption - mostly no more than 5 minutes late running - on the Frankston Line one evening but which was enough for Metrol to alter the 4.03pm from platform 7 - where the train was already in - to platform 13 which is quite a hike.  

It simply isn't possible to assign platforms to specific routes all the time.  It can be done most of the time but there will always be late changes for all sorts of reasons.

Southern Cross will see some changes made as the RRL goes live.  SG trains to Albury, Sydney and Adelaide will use platforms 1 and 2.   Platform 8 is to be reassigned to Metro for planned timetable changes which were to have been introduced at the same time but have been deferred for now.  It would have been used to turn back Upfield trains terminating there.  That change is under review.

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