What a joke, ICAC need to look at it pronto.ICAC is a Commission with jurisdiction in NSW only.
It stops at Stawell as well. Also the V/Line website states that bus services are contracted by the DTPLI/PTV, not them.I doubt how much the Overland rolling stock needs replacing. It has suitable vehicles for a thrice weekly overnight service and should do for both a cruise train and service connecting Wimmera and SA townsVline subcontracts to Firefly the Bendigo Daylink to Adelaide. It stops at all the small towns along the Dukes/Princes Hwy so it actually provides a better service to the people along the route than the train - which only stops at Bordertown, Nhill, Horsham and Ararat as far as I recall.
If both state governments are willing to subsidise things, a suitably equipped V/locity train would provide an excellent daily service. That should be a more attractive substitute for the daily bus.
Is there presently an overnight Bendigo-Adelaide bus ?
Fares on the GSR Overland are going up next year to (at least) $118 each way Horsham-Adelaide, no concessions. The equivalent adult fare on the V/line bus is $42 so the train is nowhere near competitive. As an occasional user of that bus I think the money would be better spent on more frequent buses.
It stops at Stawell as well. Also the V/Line website states that bus services are contracted by the DTPLI/PTV, not them.Now that you mention it I noticed on the Hamilton bus they've been progressively changing the V/line stops to 'PTV delivered by V/line' and the new bus livery is actually 'PTV delivered by V/line Trotter's Coaches' (or something?), I guess that's the latest fad... wonder if we'll get 'PTV delivered by National Express' again one day.
Yep, exactly. If contributors like The Vinelander are getting excited about minimal funding to maintain an absolutely mediocre service, it is no wonder Australian Rail is in the state it is in. The Overland needs a complete overhaul, what is the point of throwing money no matter how little on a service that the SA Govt have no intention of improving? The Overland is dying a slow death.Ahhh....I understand.Or perhaps Mejhammers just wants his state government to fund a fast, clean, affordable service instead of the GSR one?
You too along with Mr Dunstan are suggesting the service be axed in order to save it.
It's been dying since the late 1980's/early 1990's but there's no desire to fix what's wrong so (apparently) it's destined to keep limping on until the point is proven.
It's been dying since the late 1980's/early 1990's but there's no desire to fix what's wrong so (apparently) it's destined to keep limping on until the point is proven.Don, you've just giving the very reason it is dying
I remember the old days of flying in the early 90's when you had to book at least a month out to get the cheapest flights through a travel agent or on the phone - and if you got a flight for less than $100 each way (Adelaide-Melbourne or vice versa) you were in really ultra-cheap territory.
There's no need to be that prepared now with internet booking and fully deregulated airlines. A quick search for flights going Melb-Adel Tuesday week (8/9) returning the following Tuesday reveals several airfares on Tiger Air and Jetstar for under $100 each way including credit card fees and booked luggage. For a similar sort of price level, why would anyone want to muck around with the Overland? The train just couldn't compete with flying any longer and frankly it's just not an attractive alternative.
It's just that no one has ever heard of the SA one because the Commission hears, speaks and reports in secret. This of course poses the question of 'If a commission hears evidence in secret and keeps it in secret, does it actually hear any evidence?' The ALP in SA were quite smart to not allow their dirty laundry to be aired in public...NSW is not the only state to have an ICAC. An ICAC was established in SA several years ago.What a joke, ICAC need to look at it pronto.ICAC is a Commission with jurisdiction in NSW only.
....No - it won't. But I'm more optimistic about attracting new users with those sort of timings; it needs to be at least competitive with driving for people to think about it. It becomes more attractive to use particularly for the people who live along the route who may find the train use-able again. And it's not that difficult to imagine the possibilities for a semi-fast service - apart from the Adelaide Hills most of the alignment is flat and straight.
Everyone can prattle on about near rolling stock or fast DMU's, but that's all a gunzel's dream.
Faster running time will only be achieved with new track and alignments and whats left of the remaining people who would catch a train will not pay the fares needed to provide that track.
Even with an eight hour train service, that will still never compete with a 60 minute flight.
The South Australian Education department had quite an extensive fleet of "yellow" school buses allocated to country area schools and were often driven by the teachers. These were 'cab over' style buses not the USA style hooded style.Never seen a yellow school bus In Victoria, most are white !or kids having to travel on non airconditioned yellow school buses...Where does that happen? I my part of rural Victoria the kids all travel on luxury air-conditioned coaches.
Yellow school buses are so North America.
Maybe GSR needs to satisfy a market niche too. For example with AFL footy finals about to start and an Adelaide team in, a consist leaving Adelaide to arrive in Melbourne before the game, then leaving just after so that patrons don't need to stay overnight. I know there are buses; and airline companies usually throw the discount flights out when the market is their oyster. I've after believed that such a market must exist even for home and away games for Adelaide and Port games in Melb and maybe Melb teams playing in Adelaide.
A few weeks ago I tried the Overland. 6 sitting cars were sold out. Adelaide was playing in Melb that weekend. I don't have proof that the sell out was due to football but it wasn't a long weekend and it wasn't school holidays.
Congrat to GSR. The trip was better than I expected. The cafeteria car was great. The fish and chips were excellent. We were 20 mins ahead of schedule on arrival at Newport then it was snail pace to SCS. Arrived on time.
It's pie in the sky believing that in the near future there will be a modern Overland. So what's needed is a creative way to attract the niche market.
....Given their record so far I wouldn't be holding my breath - although the new management has certainly been making sweeping changes. I think they've tended go though the motions with the Overland and concentrate on the long haul services (that's probably where the real $$$ is for them anyway).
GSR are committing to some more promotion but what the ultimate fate for this service will depend on people being much more aggressive and eliminating competing services, good promotion and GSR really tapping into the tourist market!!!
The Overland is still worth fighting for, and it fills the void for a number of regional people. It is naive to assume that the only people that use it are travelling between MEL - ADL and ADL - MEL.Ive said it somewhere else before, but the Overland discussion (and services to the Wimmera) would be very different if the line SC-Ballarat-Ararat was SG instead of BG. Given the Murray Valley project, I don't know what the plan is in Vic but it seems like all the lines will eventually go SG (probably with a freight priority though). Once that happens for SC-Ballarat-Ararat, it will be much easier for the Overland to be more viable. We just have to wait until then...
It worthy to also note that it solves a public transport solution for regional SA and for the PTV in Victoria in the Wimmera. Politically, there are many aspects this thread simply ignores, which I dont need to go into.
Vline has been mandated politically to improve its service and fleet over the last ten years, and in the fullness of time, I expect that this will have some positive flow on effects for services like the Overland, which are still integrated into the PTV regional transport plans.
Im sure everyone would love for it to be a gold plated, super fast, modern train akin to a six car Vlocity - but this is the reality and compromise that has to be made in having a service continue.
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