Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
MT "We will be the innovation nation! We will develop technology by ensuring more students are graduating in science and engineering.

Reporter " Prime Minister, what is your first innovation?

MT "Our first innovation is to be first nation in the world to replace optical fibre with copper cable as we create our telecommunication network for the 21st century."
GrahamH
"Our second innovation is to sack a few hundred more scientists and engineers from CSIRO."

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  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
MT "We will be the innovation nation! We will develop technology by ensuring more students are graduating in science and engineering.

Reporter " Prime Minister, what is your first innovation?

MT "Our first innovation is to be first nation in the world to replace optical fibre with copper cable as we create our telecommunication network for the 21st century."
GrahamH

I'd find this funny if I didn't get so infuriated from them actually doing so... Evil or Very Mad
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
My God, they've been dragging this super-fast fibre optic thing out for decades now... and isn't most of the 'Innovation Nation' stuff just re-hashed industry assistance announcements from the car industry closing? The CSIRO cuts are especially galling though in the light of ad campaign telling us the opposite.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The NBN is nothing to do with an innovative nation, it's about buying votes of the general populous. We don't need fibre to every home, we don't even need fibre to every node near a home yet. What we grossly need is fibre to every building in CBDs, tech parks and business hubs, that is where we will drive employment, gain efficiency, and create innovation, but that's not what is happening, instead too many are demanding it go right past there house and for what? Very few 300, 500, 1000Mb engineering/industrial/architectural design or assembly files are needed to be instantly sent to a domestic home. FTTH/N so that people can sit on the butts getting fatter watching TV on the net, downloading movies faster or having their pissant 100Kb email (or a notification on their waste of time FB account) arrive a pico second faster is NOT good use of several billion dollars.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
The NBN is nothing to do with an innovative nation, it's about buying votes of the general populous. We don't need fibre to every home, we don't even need fibre to every node near a home yet. What we grossly need is fibre to every building in CBDs, tech parks and business hubs, that is where we will drive employment, gain efficiency, and create innovation, but that's not what is happening, instead too many are demanding it go right past there house and for what? Very few 300, 500, 1000Mb engineering/industrial/architectural design or assembly files are needed to be instantly sent to a domestic home. FTTH/N so that people can sit on the butts getting fatter watching TV on the net, downloading movies faster or having their pissant 100Kb email (or a notification on their waste of time FB account) arrive a pico second faster is NOT good use of several billion dollars.
Aaron
"640K ought to be enough for anyone."
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
The NBN is nothing to do with an innovative nation, it's about buying votes of the general populous.
Aaron
It's a bit of both. You need to look at the conditions that led to the creation of NBNCo to understand why it's being built in the way that it is. A lot of it stems from the politics surrounding Telstra's privatisation. If Telstra was separated into a wholesale fixed-line infrastructure company and a retail + mobile company as it should have, this would've all been fixed. But we don't have that, purely because of the Howard Government's greed/lack of foresight.

Regional independent pollies (and the Nats a little later on) latched onto the NBN as a way of clawing back some equity between the regions and capital cities. Some might think that's a form of pork-barrelling or a distortion of economics, but I don't mind.


We don't need fibre to every home, we don't even need fibre to every node near a home yet.
Aaron
Well, if you're going to be replacing or upgrading the current network, you may as well run fibre to every home. If you weren't doing that though, I'd agree with you - but we aren't. Every political party has committed to some form of new or upgraded network.

So here's the technical reason why the NBN needs to be built, and should be built as a mainly Fibre-To-The-Premises network: Telstra's copper network is in a pretty run-down state, and replacement copper costs about the same as new fibre. Same thing goes for the coaxial cable used for the cable TV networks that Telstra and Optus own - they're pretty recent but have a similar replacement cost to fibre.

There's no linear relationship between cost and speed, which is an assumption that many people seem to make. A second-rate network (FTTN) will have a very similar cost to a proper FTTP network - maybe not up front if you're not running new copper, but within at least a decade after commissioning, because thanks to Telstra much of the copper will need replacing.

And here's the kicker: you can't selectively upgrade users on an FTTN network to pure fibre - you need to essentially build an overlapping network. And some residents actually want and use all of the capability of FTTP. The cable TV network (HFC) is at least progressively upgradable to full fibre, but not on an individual user basis (it can be done on a neighbourhood-by-neighbourhood basis).

We have a choice between building an eight lane freeway and a two lane highway for basically the same cost - you'd be mad to not go with the eight lane option!

So as Tony Windsor said: 'Do it once, do it right, do it with fibre'
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I agree Mr Dendrite, but none of that changes the fact that first and foremost instead of running the fibre past houses FIRST, the fibre should FIRST go to where it is actually needed for productivity, which is CBDs, business and tech parks. IF the NBN has anything to do with driving and supporting innovation.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Speaking of Tony Windsor, he's formally nominated as an independent for the seat of New England - much to Barnaby Joyce's apparent chagrin (calling him the official "Labor candidate"). It'll be interesting to see who proves to be more popular in that seat later this year.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Speaking of Tony Windsor, he's formally nominated as an independent for the seat of New England - much to Barnaby Joyce's apparent chagrin (calling him the official "Labor candidate"). It'll be interesting to see who proves to be more popular in that seat later this year.
"don_dunstan"
My money is still on Joyce, he had it last year first past the post and Windsor was not popular when he back the lefties and then left office.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
"640K ought to be enough for anyone."
apw5910
I'm sure if you go back 10-15 year someone would have said, 33kps over a landline was more than enough and who would need to use the phone and internet at the same time?

We are moving to a world of non-terrestrial based entertainment, ie TV and radio traditional free to air is loosing ground to streaming as is cable/satellite pay TV and 4-6k picture quality with 9.1 surround sound and more than one user in the house.

Many media sites now have streaming TV or new article footage with nearly every story.

I'm not sure what sort of data speeds any of this is needed. But I have over 1M at my home now and I pay for 2nd slowest data connection speed. 10 years ago, we were just leaving dial up for Satilite  internet connection.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Aaron: We'll see what happens, Windsor will pick up most of the votes that don't go to Joyce.

There's certainly an interesting range of people in the running for seats across the nation, including Mr "No Pokies" himself running a candidate in every House of Reps. seat in SA and many interstate. That has the potential to wedge the Labor/LNP vote and create real problems in some seats I'm sure; I know that there's people on this board who view him as a shameless self-promoter with no feasible agenda but still, I think it's high time we had some other minor party with an agenda to vote for other than the Greens.

I still don't understand Michael Kroger's decision to let Sophie Mirabella re-contest the seat of Indi for the Liberal Party against Cathy McGowan this year - by all accounts the new member is fairly popular and has shown courtesy to her constituents that Mirabella was (apparently) incapable of. Sophie has her cushy job on the board of the Submarine Corporation anyway, why on earth she would want to re-contest the formerly safe Liberal seat she managed to lose in a conservative landslide is beyond me. Even the local Wangaratta newspaper hated her.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I still don't understand Michael Kroger's decision to let Sophie Mirabella re-contest the seat of Indi for the Liberal Party against Cathy McGowan this year - by all accounts the new member is fairly popular and has shown courtesy to her constituents that Mirabella was (apparently) incapable of. Sophie has her cushy job on the board of the Submarine Corporation anyway, why on earth she would want to re-contest the formerly safe Liberal seat she managed to lose in a conservative landslide is beyond me. Even the local Wangaratta newspaper hated her.
don_dunstan
There is no end to the arrogance of some people.
Perhaps she can see the end of her 'job' at the Submarine Corp.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
In this weekend's Fairfax magazine there was a prominent article about Sophie Mirabella's re-contesting the seat of Indi - it was a really interesting read if you can get your hands on it. It started out seemingly very balanced and it was quite telling that McGowan and her supporters have categorically refused to say anything nasty or demeaning about Mirabella, instead wanting to stick to positives and talk only of her achievements since winning the seat.

Now I think Sophie Mirabella agreed to do the interview because she thought it would help her campaign by talking about her reasons for running again but by the end of the article she comes across as a paranoid and vindictive individual - accusing the McGowan campaign of being orchestrated by the hard left (whom she's apparently been waging a personal battle against all her life) and latte sipping socialists blown into her seat from Melbourne - with whom she's also been having a personal legal battle having referred several people to the Electoral Commission for prosecution.

Newsflash, Sophie: If you want to come across as being more friendly and conciliatory then stop vigorously persecuting other people with your lawyer-skills - I think this was the problem that your electorate had with you to begin with.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Aaron: We'll see what happens, Windsor will pick up most of the votes that don't go to Joyce.
"don_dunstan"
Really super early party phone polling, currently at Joyce 55% primary. From someone making the calls, one respondant said 'I hope Joyce flushes him down the toilet'.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The cross bench senators can prevent their demise through a double dissolution if they vote for legislation to again instate the corruption body overseeing Union based construction. To do this would ensure a DD could
Not take place. In a DD all sitting members are spilled including the senate.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Aaron: We'll see what happens, Windsor will pick up most of the votes that don't go to Joyce.
"don_dunstan"
Really super early party phone polling, currently at Joyce 55% primary. From someone making the calls, one respondant said 'I hope Joyce flushes him down the toilet'.
"Aaron"

He's refused to categorically rule out the huge Shenhua coal mine being built on the Liverpool Plains despite enormous local opposition.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Aaron: Further to that discussion about Joyce vs. Windsor, there was a Fairfax poll today that put Windsor only marginally behind Joyce. Personally I would need to see what Anthony Green has to say.

Tony Windsor may have sided with 'the enemy' in 2010 but Joyce has a record of voting for mining/CSG developments while trying to tell his electorate that he doesn't support the wreaking of prime agricultural land for that purpose.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner


Tony Windsor may have sided with 'the enemy' in 2010 but Joyce has a record of voting for mining/CSG developments while trying to tell his electorate that he doesn't support the wreaking of prime agricultural land for that purpose.
don_dunstan
Tony Windsor also sold his family farm to a coal mining company, I reckon that fact might nulify any of his so called vocal opposition to mining.

Regards,

Craig w
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Tony Windsor never stated that he was opposed to coal mining. He said in his press conference that he was specifically opposed to the Shenhua Watermark coal mine because of its location on the Liverpool Plains and its unpredictable effect on the local water table and the flow-on effects that would have.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Liberal-National Member for Dawson George Christensen links the "Safe Schools" program with paedophilia (ABC News). Of course, it makes perfect sense now that he mentions it... an anti-bullying campaign is actually about infiltration of our schools system with normalisation of paedophilia.
  2353 Chief Train Controller

Location: Brisvegas
Liberal-National Member for Dawson George Christensen links the "Safe Schools" program with paedophilia (ABC News). Of course, it makes perfect sense now that he mentions it... an anti-bullying campaign is actually about infiltration of our schools system with normalisation of paedophilia.
don_dunstan
If you have a very peculiar mindset
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Malcolm has loaded his gun, unlocked the safety, placed his finger on the trigger....  We could be off to the polls with a Double Dissolution election on July 2 if the ABCC legislation isn't passed during special April 18 sitting:  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-21/malcolm-turnbull-brings-budget-forward-threatens-election/7262898
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Malcolm has loaded his gun, unlocked the safety, placed his finger on the trigger....  We could be off to the polls with a Double Dissolution election on July 2 if the ABCC legislation isn't passed during special April 18 sitting:  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-21/malcolm-turnbull-brings-budget-forward-threatens-election/7262898
Carnot

I can't see it being anything more than a bluff, like Tony's chest thumping when the senate didn't pass the 2014 budget (has that actually got through yet?).
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Assuming they can get something resembling a budget through the Senate... I'm predicting that he'll barely scrape through like Gillard did - if not then a hung parliament and ANOTHER bloody election before the end of the year.

I get more and more disappointed with Malcolm Turnbull every day, I made the mistake of assuming that he actually had convictions and intelligence and that he would negotiate to get things done... instead he's turned out to be just as facile and pointless as the last three: Too frightened of the uber-wealthy to upset the status quo. What did we do to deserve these people - it's not like the job doesn't pay enough!
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Some of the Senators are sticking firm, so I think DD here we come!! , and Turnbull will be very very lucky to survive, let me tell you

Kind Regards

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