Malcolm Turncoat's imploding act

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Seriously though, I think he should have expressed his compassion some other way... "hug a povo" seems to perfectly encapsulate the ivory tower mentality our multi-millionaire ex-banking executive leader has.

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  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
"Young people will have to rely on their elders' helpful advice for saving for their first home - get a good job, have rich parents and stop buying smashed avocado for breakfast - after a 20-month Coalition inquiry into housing affordability failed to deliver a single recommendation."

This Christmas I found myself in the unexpected situation of defending millenials from baby boomer criticism. The siblings in law were copping unnecessarily harshness for doing stuff like buying a takeaway coffee, instead of chucking all those coins into savings to go towards overpriced housing their parents had speculated on for two decades.

This was from a retired baby boomer couple whose generous super fund and forty years with one employer has guaranteed them a retirement their own children are unlikely to experience.

I am well aware of how broke the oldies were in their twenties (they keep reminding us, it's hard to forget...), but to suggest saving a few bucks a week will fix a ruined labour market, sky high property prices, and all the rest of the generational injustices was too much. So I mentioned that millenial discretionary spending money was a smaller proportion of total income than four decades ago. Although you could debate the statement, the desire effect was achieved and at least they stopped harping about it.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Things seem to be crashing from bad to worse and in the meantime we are six years and counting without a stable government or leadership in this country...
I think you can forget stable government for the foreseeable future. Whilst we have the current lunatic Senate voting system, too many nobodies will determine how the country is run. The distribution of preferences is just crazy - a 10th preference is still counted as one full vote which is just nonsense. A graduated scale of preferences is needed as a matter of urgency.  I don't want a senator from the Polka Dot Underpants Party having the balance of power when he got about 0.07% of the primary vote and a gift of numerous unearned votes from trickle down preferences.
Valvegear
If the big guys were doing there job properly in the first place, then the little guys wouldn't get a look in.

Everyone one bitches and whinges about the major parties ad nauseam, but as soon as a little guy (or gal) gives it a go they get dumped on from a great height.

In the end the public gets what what they want Razz
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
This Christmas I found myself in the unexpected situation of defending millenials from baby boomer criticism. The siblings in law were copping unnecessarily harshness for doing stuff like buying a takeaway coffee, instead of chucking all those coins into savings to go towards overpriced housing their parents had speculated on for two decades...
locojoe67
I used to spend money on takeaway coffees myself until I realised it was an un-necessary expense... everyone can probably afford to trim some fat from their budgets if they're saving up for something.

But if you live in Sydney or Melbourne and you're trying to save for a house, it's like p*ssing into the wind, you might as well forget about it unless you have one of Joe Hockey's good-paying jobs, generous (and wealthy) parents or perhaps a big inheritance. Unless you can do that you might as well try your luck else where in the country where you can at least have a shot of being able to afford to buy a house IF you can find work that is.

Lucy Turnbull's "Vision for Sydney" thing (ABC News) says that they're going to build housing all over the western plains north of Campbelltown - which is pretty much the only place that Sydney can expand anyway - but then she refused to answer the hard questions about where the jobs and transport will come from to provide those million or so extra residents with the means to sustain themselves. It's the old story of shoving the young and the poor as far out to the fringes as they possibly can while not really providing them with any access to services or jobs and then saying you've done all you can.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
If the big guys were doing there job properly in the first place, then the little guys wouldn't get a look in.
bingley hall
Senator Derryn Hinch... how desperate were people to vote for that self-promoting narcissistic troll.

Meanwhile The Australian is reporting that things are looking particularly bad for Malcolm Turnbull in Queensland and Western Australia in particular:

The shift in the sunshine state has been mostly from the ­Coalition to Labor. Support for the Greens is unchanged at 9 per cent while the share of the vote for other parties and independents has increased by just 1 point to 18 per cent. However, within this category, support for One Nation stands at 8 per cent, up from 5.5 per cent at the election.

A uniform swing of 5 per cent at the next election would see the Coalition at risk of losing eight seats, although One Nation preferences would be vital in determining results...

...The big shift in the west has been a 4.7 per cent drop in the ­Coalition’s primary vote to 44 per cent as the Greens have also lost ground from 12 to 10 per cent.

Labor has gained 2.6 points to 35 per cent but the biggest rise has been for other parties increasing from 7 to 11 per cent. Support for One Nation in Western Australia stands at about 5 per cent.

I think both major parties are going to have to face the fact that One Nation, Nick Xenophon and Bob Katter will be permanent fixtures on the scene and possibly king-makers from now on. Western Australia swinging away from Turnbull is really unsurprising though - Perth is continuing to experience problems adjusting to the end of the "mining boom" and I guess they're looking for someone to blame.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
IN other politics news, it looks like the Greens are about to split (Australian Democrats, anyone?) with the 'hard left' faction of the NSW Greens forming around Senator Lee Rihannon dedicated to the (...groan...) "fight to bring about the end of capitalism" (Fairfax):

The formation of the group calling itself "Left Renewal" is an escalation of an ongoing battle between the so-called eastern bloc of the Greens and the group they dismiss as "tree Tories"... Following a meeting in Sydney on Wednesday night, Left Renewal issued a statement of principles that includes the "rejection of the state's legitimacy".

Left Renewal claims "Australia is based upon an act of genocide which exists within a broader framework of global imperialism".

Lee Rihannon denies that she's involved with this movement although some of its protagonists are based in her office. I think there could be a split coming in the Greens eventually with former stalwart Bob Brown urging Rihannon to leave the party earlier this year for the sake of 'renewal' (read: let's get rid of the un-electable communist left). Richard Di Natalie has also been quick to condemn the release of the statement from the hard left last week, saying that "of course nobody in the Greens wants to abolish capitalism" - which seems inherently wrong considering there obviously are some members of the Greens who do want that goal?
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
The man at the top should have more balls, politically correct is there to maintain the integrity of the system, if you go for that job you need to get it right, especially if you know the facts and have insight.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting commentary from The Piping Shrike on why Cory Bernardi's push to form a new 'conservative' party is bound to fail:

Bernardi claims that any new conservative party would take advantage of the rise of Trump and a chance to make Australia “great again”. But he is doing the exact same mis-reading of what happened in the US as the Australian left are doing through the culture war prism – namely seeing Trump’s victory as a right populist upsurge...

The fact that Bernardi has enlisted the help of Australia's richest individual, Gina Rinehart, goes to show just how badly he has mis-read the situation; Gina has gone on record in the past as advocating many of the things that would actually make the plight of the marginalised and working poor in Australia much worse (more 457's, tax-free havens for her mines, reductions in royalty payments). Do they really think that those people will vote for them en masse? In addition, Cory is somewhat of an evangelical Christian - something that's never actually won many votes in this country. What makes him think that the time is right for a values-based crusade against the wicked? I don't understand what the thinking is there. Perhaps he thinks that with enough money behind him he can make it happen.

All I can see it doing is delivering government to Bill Shorten much quicker than could otherwise be expected.
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

"All I can see it doing is delivering government to Bill Shorten much quicker than could otherwise be expected."

Don you are starting to scare me now!
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I can't allow politicians (of any persuasion) to scare me, otherwise I'd live a life of abject terror. As the Goon Show said about the House of Commons, "Hold it up to the light; not a brain in sight."
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
For once I find myself in agreement with Tony Abbott - there's no point in splitting the Liberal Party for the sake of the power hungry ambitions of people like Cory Bernardi (ABC News). Tones used an interview on ABC radio to warn Bernardi that there was nothing to be gained from following through with his threat to start a new conservative political party... although I have to say he' been banging on about this for six months now and I'm starting to think that he's just doing it for attention:

After the radio interview, Senator Bernardi fired back.

"While most on break only person talking up division in Lib Party this past week is @TonyAbbottMHR," he tweeted.

"Always back the horse named self-interest."

Senator Bernardi was a keen supporter of Mr Abbott in his leadership battle with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

It's a shame to see those two best-friends-forever bickering but I guess its an indictment of where the Liberal Party is presently at... no trust and no future. Tones has a point though, either do something or shut up.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It's a shame to see those two best-friends-forever bickering but I guess its an indictment of where the Liberal Party is presently at.
don_dunstan
I think it's magnificent. There's nothing quite like the clash of two huge egos.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It's a shame to see those two best-friends-forever bickering but I guess its an indictment of where the Liberal Party is presently at.
I think it's magnificent. There's nothing quite like the clash of two huge egos.
Valvegear
There's a theory that Tones is only doing this because he doesn't want Cory to spoil his chances of leading a unified Liberal Party when he returns to lead it. I don't really read Miranda Devine regularly but she penned an article claiming that Tones was also interested in painting a Liberal Party in disunity with him as the only means of saving it. She claims to have spoken to senior conservatives within the party who said they're not interested in returning to his style of leadership... who knows?

One thing is for sure, Malcolm will lose the next Newspoll... and the one after that.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

"All I can see it doing is delivering government to Bill Shorten much quicker than could otherwise be expected."

Don you are starting to scare me now!
Showtime
Malcom, had such promise. Articulate, intelligent, the great communicator. What a disappointment he turned out to be.

Bill, on the other hand, uninspiring, even boring. Should he get the keys to The Lodge, he simply has to make no mistakes, and a few good decisions, he'll look like a superstar.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

It's a shame to see those two best-friends-forever bickering but I guess its an indictment of where the Liberal Party is presently at.
I think it's magnificent. There's nothing quite like the clash of two huge egos.
There's a theory that Tones is only doing this because he doesn't want Cory to spoil his chances of leading a unified Liberal Party when he returns to lead it. I don't really read Miranda Devine regularly but she penned an article claiming that Tones was also interested in painting a Liberal Party in disunity with him as the only means of saving it. She claims to have spoken to senior conservatives within the party who said they're not interested in returning to his style of leadership... who knows?

One thing is for sure, Malcolm will lose the next Newspoll... and the one after that.
don_dunstan
While ever Tony is still there, a return to the big chair cannot be ruled out. HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but not impossible. Not hanging around to sit on the back bench.

When Krudd was removed, the remarks made about him and, the reasons why, it was my view his return to leader was impossible, how wrong can one be? And similar comments have been made about Tony.

Newspoll, watch this space.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Now, now; you can't blame that nice Mr Turnbull.
He is a really focused man.
He is totally focused on remaining Prime Minister.
That's why he's doing what he's told by Abbott, Abetz, Bernardi, Dutton, Andrews, Brandis et al.
If he doesn't obey; he gets dumped.
Dearie dearie me.
Do not often agree with Valve Gear but on this one 100% agree. What has happened to statesmanship in politics? No chance with the list of political grubs provided by Valvegear. So sad.
For so many political generations now we have had party leaders that are career politicians or lawyers or labor henchman.
We shouldn't allow this to continue. These oxygen thieves have been sponging off the gravy train whilst the rest of the country battles on, and the sad part is it seems that they don't even realise this.
Trump is a protest vote against the same thing in the US and I hope he does well and turns their country's fortunes around.
We could do a lot worse than Gerry Harvey or a Dick Smith or a Lyndsay Fox at the helm here in Aus.
You don't need political experience to be a successful leader, in fact it would probably help if you had none and told the party heavies where to get off.
Just my pipe dream anyway. Totally sick of useless parasites wasting my tax dollars.
Showtime
Businessmen generally make terrible politicians due to the fact they are only restrained in business by skating as closely as possible within the law and rules. In politics it is a different game and I think they find the restraints of politics too difficult to deal with. Trump will be an absolute disaster and frankly I would not care to have any 3 of the Australian business moguls you nominate in politics.

Poor Turnbull, he has found the hard right of the Coalition very difficult to deal with, particularly nutters like Abbott and Bernardi, just to name two. Turnbull needs to show some balls and get rid of these dangerous lunatics before they drive the Liberal party into political irrelevance. The only support they have seems to be in the dirty little rags belonging to that ex Australian; Murdoch.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Poor Turnbull, he has found the hard right of the Coalition very difficult to deal with, particularly nutters like Abbott and Bernardi, just to name two. Turnbull needs to show some balls and get rid of these dangerous lunatics before they drive the Liberal party into political irrelevance.
nswtrains
Impossible - they would not be able to govern without them.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't know if anyone else has been following this Susan Ley scandal but it's a very bad look for the Liberal Party - if Malcolm doesn't sack her then it proves that the swamp is indeed very deep. I find myself in very rare agreement with Judith Sloan on this one: You can't be seen to be doing personal things on work time especially when you are adding to your own personal property investment empire - a very controversial subject at the moment. It stinks even more that she bought the property from a prominent LNP donor for a price that was seemingly very cheap (the same price the vendor paid for it nine years ago).
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

I don't know if anyone else has been following this Susan Ley scandal but it's a very bad look for the Liberal Party - if Malcolm doesn't sack her then it proves that the swamp is indeed very deep. I find myself in very rare agreement with Judith Sloan on this one: You can't be seen to be doing personal things on work time especially when you are adding to your own personal property investment empire - a very controversial subject at the moment. It stinks even more that she bought the property from a prominent LNP donor for a price that was seemingly very cheap (the same price the vendor paid for it nine years ago).
don_dunstan
The problem might be that the cretins in Canberra can't really see that what she has done is inappropriate.
They see it as an opportunity and a real bargain that any of them would have jumped at.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I don't know if anyone else has been following this Susan Ley scandal but it's a very bad look for the Liberal Party - if Malcolm doesn't sack her then it proves that the swamp is indeed very deep. I find myself in very rare agreement with Judith Sloan on this one: You can't be seen to be doing personal things on work time especially when you are adding to your own personal property investment empire - a very controversial subject at the moment. It stinks even more that she bought the property from a prominent LNP donor for a price that was seemingly very cheap (the same price the vendor paid for it nine years ago).
don_dunstan
It pongs alright. What bugs me is this lot incessantly lectures us on entitlement (between War on Terror announcements). Preaching to the masses through their 'struggle street' media mates that everyone's doing it tough and how they're the Righteous ones to fix it.

I take it she'll be claiming tax deductions on this property to boot. Remind us how that helps struggling first home buyers Razz
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I don't know if anyone else has been following this Susan Ley scandal but it's a very bad look for the Liberal Party - if Malcolm doesn't sack her then it proves that the swamp is indeed very deep. I find myself in very rare agreement with Judith Sloan on this one: You can't be seen to be doing personal things on work time especially when you are adding to your own personal property investment empire - a very controversial subject at the moment. It stinks even more that she bought the property from a prominent LNP donor for a price that was seemingly very cheap (the same price the vendor paid for it nine years ago).
The problem might be that the cretins in Canberra can't really see that what she has done is inappropriate.
They see it as an opportunity and a real bargain that any of them would have jumped at.
Showtime
So she went on a business trip and was able to add a small side trip to take care of something personal. Hands up who has gone on a business trip and not done something non-business related on the trip, like shopping, extra travel, staying longer, had a spouse share the hotel room, social event, catching up with friends/family....

The difference in this case was that from what I understand she used taxpayers money to travel from her hotel to the house in question and 2nd she is in a public role and hence you need to be better than than this. For me, the buying of the house, the seller of the house or the price of the house is irrelevant, but the media have jumped on it.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The problem might be that the cretins in Canberra can't really see that what she has done is inappropriate.
Showtime
I'm pretty sure that's part of the issue - they see things like consultancies, party fund-raisers and increasing their own personal wealth as perks of the job and don't reflect on how people outside of Club Burley-Griffin might view it.
Hands up who has gone on a business trip and not done something non-business related on the trip, like shopping, extra travel, staying longer, had a spouse share the hotel room, social event, catching up with friends/family....
RTT_Rules
I think there's more to it than meets the eye. She took her partner with her which is apparently allowed but then there's a question mark as to why she was even in Queensland at the time re-announcing previous health spending - she wasn't really needed there at that time as Judith Sloan was saying. Which has led some to ask: Was the trip organised around the property purchase and not because of government business?

Anyway, Fairfax has reported this afternoon that she's apologised for her actions and has offered to pay the money back - probably under duress but nevertheless it will probably save her job. For now.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The problem might be that the cretins in Canberra can't really see that what she has done is inappropriate.
I'm pretty sure that's part of the issue - they see things like consultancies, party fund-raisers and increasing their own personal wealth as perks of the job and don't reflect on how people outside of Club Burley-Griffin might view it.
Hands up who has gone on a business trip and not done something non-business related on the trip, like shopping, extra travel, staying longer, had a spouse share the hotel room, social event, catching up with friends/family....
I think there's more to it than meets the eye. She took her partner with her which is apparently allowed but then there's a question mark as to why she was even in Queensland at the time re-announcing previous health spending - she wasn't really needed there at that time as Judith Sloan was saying. Which has led some to ask: Was the trip organised around the property purchase and not because of government business?

Anyway, Fairfax has reported this afternoon that she's apologised for her actions and has offered to pay the money back - probably under duress but nevertheless it will probably save her job. For now.
don_dunstan
When I was with Rio Tinto I can tell it is also most standard practice to take your partner/kids on a business trip sharing the hotel room and staying long with a delayed flight home, BUT, family airfares are not covered by company, hotel expenses cannot be increased, IE laundry, room service and extension of stay is at own cost using AL. Hence I have no problem with any of this.

Whether Judith Sloan should have been in Qld is again irrelevant or at least a separate issue. Each trip much be justified independently.

However I when you are a high profile member of the govt, going on a business trip that in itself is questionable, then using taxpayer resources to make a personal excursion to buy an investment property at same price it was sold for 9 years ago, well its going to get alot of attention and people will focus on less relevant facts.

Bronwyn Bishop paid back her money and it was one of her staff that organised the helicopter without informing her and she lost her job. I think this is a good precedent for other the members of the house to follow suit as a reminder to make sure their business trips are legit and all above board. Judith should resign/sacked!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Apologise be damned. She is only sorry that she has been caught.
Who buys a house/apartment/whatever for $800,000 on a whim? Says a lot for the thought she puts into decisions as a government minister that affect millions of people.
She should go - to be replaced by another of her ilk, of course.
Sadly, they are all the bloody same regardless of their political colour.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
MP's; the ultimate "protected species".Who else could get caught fraudulently using other people's money, and then get off by saying "Sorry" and paying it back?
The only commandment they believe is the 11th - "Thou shalt not get caught."
Ms Ley is just another in a long line. The thing that makes me shudder is wondering how many more are getting away with it.

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