awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Hornsby is getting a new footbridge over George St on the eastern side. This will replace the existing footbridge opened in about 1980 under the Wran Gummint.

The cost of the new footbridge will be shared by RMS, Council and Sydney Trains.

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  M636C Minister for Railways

Hornsby is getting a new footbridge over George St on the eastern side. This will replace the existing footbridge opened in about 1980 under the Wran Gummint.

The cost of the new footbridge will be shared by RMS, Council and Sydney Trains.
awsgc24
It will include a lift at the shopping centre end and will thus replace the looped ramp currently at that end. If the artist's impression is to be believed, it will be wider and will have a  straight, rather than reversed set of steps at the shopping centre end.

M636C
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Hornsby is getting a new footbridge over George St on the eastern side. This will replace the existing footbridge opened in about 1980 under the Wran Gummint.

The cost of the new footbridge will be shared by RMS, Council and Sydney Trains.
awsgc24
On closer inspection, the cost will be shared by RMS and Council only.

The old ramp and stairs have been demolished, and replaced by a metal ramp.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The new footbridge has a lot of formwork in place.




A pamphlet handed out today (28 Jan) announces the "Hornsby Junction Remodelling and Commuter Car Park Projects".



Amongst other things are:

*230 more parking spaces
*lifts, stairs, CCTV, landscaping
*reconfiguring the existing track to provide faster turnround for T1 North Shore services

*increasing train capacity and reliability on the T1 Shore at Hornsby.



Faster turnround might mean fixing the very slow X8 scissors crossovers on Platforms 1&2.

See http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects !
  Piston Train Controller

Hornsby is getting a new footbridge over George St on the eastern side. This will replace the existing footbridge opened in about 1980 under the Wran Gummint.

The cost of the new footbridge will be shared by RMS, Council and Sydney Trains.
It will include a lift at the shopping centre end and will thus replace the looped ramp currently at that end. If the artist's impression is to be believed, it will be wider and will have a  straight, rather than reversed set of steps at the shopping centre end.

M636C
M636C
There will be no ramp on the new footbridge, so in a blackout when the lifts are out and mobility scooters and old people can't use the stairs there will be a bankup of people wondering how to get down to ground level.
What a great design Hornsby Council.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Hornsby is getting a new footbridge over George St on the eastern side. This will replace the existing footbridge opened in about 1980 under the Wran Gummint.

The cost of the new footbridge will be shared by RMS, Council and Sydney Trains.
It will include a lift at the shopping centre end and will thus replace the looped ramp currently at that end. If the artist's impression is to be believed, it will be wider and will have a  straight, rather than reversed set of steps at the shopping centre end.

M636C
There will be no ramp on the new footbridge, so in a blackout when the lifts are out and mobility scooters and old people can't use the stairs there will be a bankup of people wondering how to get down to ground level.
What a great design Hornsby Council.
Piston

Unfortunately the current governments architects don't understand that. Same thing is happening at Pendle Hill I believe.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Hornsby is getting a new footbridge over George St on the eastern side. This will replace the existing footbridge opened in about 1980 under the Wran Gummint.

The cost of the new footbridge will be shared by RMS, Council and Sydney Trains.
awsgc24
Just as well I don't want to know who or what RMS is!
I suppose that if I lived in Hornsby I would know.........
Don't anybody tell me ........I said that I didn't want to know!!!!
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
See also: http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/hornsby-junction-traffic-and-transport-assessment.pdf
The report about the Hornsby Railway and Carpark improvements doesn't seem to have any diagrams showing the track changes, other than the area where they might occur. Higher speed turnouts from the Shore platforms (P1 and P2) to the Main lines would also be useful to give an overlap entering P2 from Sydney, and thus raise the 8 km/h trainstop controlled speed.

Signalling would be improved between Hornsby and the next stations, Waitara, Normanhurst, and Asquith/Berowra.
Headway on these section are say 3 minutes, but when a stopping train follows a non stop train, headway should be reduced to say 2 minutes. The stopping train loses a minute made up of 30sec dwell and 30sec acceleration/braking time and only needs 3 minute headways from there on. Similarly for non-stopping trains catching up to a stopping trains.

To improve the headway from Hornsby to the next station, while retaining existing speeds for fast trains, would need extra signals, probably with Preliminary Mediums (Green over Flashing Yellow) aspects, making these section 5-asapect.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The report mentions that there will be a new/extra turnback siding, with footpaths for the driver to change end, located south of Bridge street overbridge. The report does not between which tracks this siding will be. There is an existing siding on the Up side of the Up refuge, which seems to have a very tight fit.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

See also: http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/b2b/projects/hornsby-junction-traffic-and-transport-assessment.pdf
The report about the Hornsby Railway and Carpark improvements doesn't seem to have any diagrams showing the track changes, other than the area where they might occur. Higher speed turnouts from the Shore platforms (P1 and P2) to the Main lines would also be useful to give an overlap entering P2 from Sydney, and thus raise the 8 km/h trainstop controlled speed.

Signalling would be improved between Hornsby and the next stations, Waitara, Normanhurst, and Asquith/Berowra.
Headway on these section are say 3 minutes, but when a stopping train follows a non stop train, headway should be reduced to say 2 minutes. The stopping train loses a minute made up of 30sec dwell and 30sec acceleration/braking time and only needs 3 minute headways from there on. Similarly for non-stopping trains catching up to a stopping trains.

To improve the headway from Hornsby to the next station, while retaining existing speeds for fast trains, would need extra signals, probably with Preliminary Mediums (Green over Flashing Yellow) aspects, making these section 5-asapect.
awsgc24

Why did you post this 3 times?
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Why did you post this 3 times?
simstrain
Railpage sometimes makes extra copy(s), can't say why.

Railpage also failed to save an earlier version on this long post, can't say why either.

Better to have 3 copies than 0 copies.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Hornsby is getting a new footbridge over George St on the eastern side. This will replace the existing footbridge opened in about 1980 under the Wran Gummint.

The cost of the new footbridge will be shared by RMS, Council and Sydney Trains.
It will include a lift at the shopping centre end and will thus replace the looped ramp currently at that end. If the artist's impression is to be believed, it will be wider and will have a  straight, rather than reversed set of steps at the shopping centre end.

M636C
There will be no ramp on the new footbridge, so in a blackout when the lifts are out and mobility scooters and old people can't use the stairs there will be a bankup of people wondering how to get down to ground level.
What a great design Hornsby Council.

Unfortunately the current governments architects don't understand that. Same thing is happening at Pendle Hill I believe.
simstrain
And Wentworthville.

My understanding is there will be the existing ramp(s) as a way to get over the line, but not to get onto the platforms
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
People can't use the stairs there will be a bankup of people wondering how to get down to ground level.
What a great design Hornsby Council.

Unfortunately the current governments architects don't understand that. Same thing is happening at Pendle Hill I believe.
simstrain

A site inspection reveals that there is a ramp via the southern car park and traffic lights at the corner of the Old Pacific Hwy (now Peats Ferry Road) that allows wheelchairs to cross George if the new lift is broken. Albeit a bit round about, unless you are in an electric wheelchair.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Sydney Trains had a "kiosk" on the concourse at Hornsby Station with a scale plan (version 10) of the new track layout between platforms 1 & 2 and the Bridge Street overbridge, and also a simulation of the trains on the existing and future timetable.

In a two week shutdown at Xmas-New Year 2018, all the crossovers/slips/diamonds on the Shore and adjacent lines will be removed and new crossovers, and one unavoidable plain diamond will be put in place. Turnout speeds will generally be 40km/h.

A key feature is a new Shore Turnback between the Up and Down Shore for maximum operational convenience. This will be run on the Relay-Driver-in-the-Rear-Cab Principle.

At present Down trains entering Platform 2 are subjected to 8km/h timed trainstops, as no safety overlap is not generally available. The Down Departure signal from Plat 2 is several metres inside the platform, which shows how tight the length of the platform is now. In the new layout, the P2 to Down Main ladder crossovers are relocated say 200-300m further north, and that Departure signal is relocated say 50m north as well. This enables the full length of P1 and P2 to be used, and indeed a 5-10-15m extension to be plausible.

It is not surprising that 10 versions of the plans were necessary to get to this level of progress.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The new layout allows for the elimination of two 8km/h timed trainstops in Platform 2 in the Down direction. This is possible because an overlap is available past the P2 Departure signal before conflicting crossovers.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Some concrete has been poured on the westernmost section of the new footbridge.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The main span of the new footbridge over George Street has been put in place, even though the approaches are incomplete.



The new footbridge is twice as wide to suit increased pedestrian traffic, and also about 1 metre higher to provide increased headroom for "TruckStuck" over-height trucks.


The cost is being shared between council and RMS.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The new footbridge over George St, Hornsby has been complete for a while. The stairs to ground level are still incomplete, with a temporary ramp in use. There are two (2) lifts nearing completion.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

The following is a follow-up to the post by awsgc24 from February 4, 2016.

According to a recently issued Weekly Notice, as from Friday Night, August 25, and extending through to Monday Morning, January 15, there will be a Power Outage and Possession of Hornsby Up Yard.
This refers to the Up Loop, No.1 Up Siding, along with the normal entry/exit roads to/from Hornsby Maintenance Centre.
These roads will be booked "out of use" and removed over this 4 month period.

During this time, Hornsby Maintenance Centre will have limited overhead power supply, resulting in reduced Stabling capacity and restricted use to only Tangara type sets.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The two lifts on the eastern side of the new footbridge are now operating. Cleanup work is still needed.

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