Canberra ARHS

 
  ssaunders Chief Train Controller

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/canberras-heritage-rail-society-in-crisis-of-confidence

Heads will roll perhaps. Groups need to continiously rebuild and new blood needs to come in, the old blood doesn't usually want to retire.

ss

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  randomnarwhal Locomotive Driver

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/canberras-heritage-rail-society-in-crisis-of-confidence-20160111-gm3wn6

Heads will roll perhaps. Groups need to continiously rebuild and new blood needs to come in, the old blood doesn't usually want to retire.

ss
ssaunders
Without trying to divert the thread (or preemptively form assumptions), I note that 6029 is scheduled for a year of running "across regional NSW". No Vic / SA tour for another year?

I'm not 100% convinced that adding new management positions is necessarily the way to a more efficiently running organisation.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
Interesting 6029 is mentioned. I think about the impact that restoration has had on the society and suspect that the internal conflicts are nothing new. Additional operational complexities have highlighted pre-existing tensions.
  Duffy Chief Commissioner

Location: ACT
Interesting 6029 is mentioned. I think about the impact that restoration has had on the society and suspect that the internal conflicts are nothing new. Additional operational complexities have highlighted pre-existing tensions.
locojoe67
Naturally.  They exist in any volunteer organisation and are often bought to the fore when transition periods arise.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
I found this article a bit more informative:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/act-news/constitutional-refo...

eg, this quote:


'Many speakers at the December meeting said they were concerned about the way limited resources were being spread across a wide range of refurbishment and restoration projects to the detriment of the society as a whole.

'One speaker, who took part in a comprehensive audit of rolling stock in 2011, said earlier attempts to rationalise assets had failed.

"People resisted making the hard decisions [if it involved getting rid of their favourites]," he said. "The outcome was no cars were disposed of due to the vested interests of various members."
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


'One speaker, who took part in a comprehensive audit of rolling stock in 2011, said earlier attempts to rationalise assets had failed.

locojoe67
So what is the market for heritage rolling stock? I would have thought very very limited.
  ivahri Train Controller

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/canberras-heritage-rail-society-in-crisis-of-confidence

Heads will roll perhaps. Groups need to continiously rebuild and new blood needs to come in, the old blood doesn't usually want to retire.

ss
ssaunders
Having traveled on their tour down to Temora late last year I cannot speak highly enough about the standard of the crew and the rolling stock. I don't know the politics behind the matter but I hope they don't blow their own head off just to make a point. And for the record the crew included quite a number of young people so I don't think your point applies to this group.



Richard
  a6et Minister for Railways

Interesting 6029 is mentioned. I think about the impact that restoration has had on the society and suspect that the internal conflicts are nothing new. Additional operational complexities have highlighted pre-existing tensions.
locojoe67
Naturally.  They exist in any volunteer organisation and are often bought to the fore when transition periods arise.
"Duffy"


Very Very true.

I suspect that the restoration work on 6029 masked much if not all of the internal issues/tensions in order to present a united front that was needed for that immense task that was so superbly carried out, once 29 was accredited & run succesfully they came to the fore.

I have seen it in several other groups & why I stee away from them although I had occasionaly worked trains for them. The direction of a preservation/heritage group is often caught out by those wanting pet projects to be done, they want the money spent on those, after all they have sat patiently in the background in order for all the resources to go towards the garratt project.

One thing that I think is a winner for the Canberra group is the scrap metal contract, as it provides money for the museum side of things, my hope is that they can increase business & expand it over time, which will I believe add to the museums future viability, something that just running steam tours cannot provide enough finances for.

To get Main line accreditation for the diesels, & perhaps even the pig will extend their range.  Thing is though they need to spray or replace the wooden sleepers there.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
To get Main line accreditation for the diesels, & perhaps even the pig will extend their range.
a6et
What pig? First need a locomotive to go with the two spare boilers...
  a6et Minister for Railways

To get Main line accreditation for the diesels, & perhaps even the pig will extend their range.
a6et
What pig? First need a locomotive to go with the two spare boilers...
"apw5910"


There was some news/report that one of the pigs had gone to Canberra along with the boilers, & I based what I said on that.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong & withdraw it.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
There was some news/report that one of the pigs had gone to Canberra along with the boilers, & I based what I said on that.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong & withdraw it.
a6et
It's okay, I wasn't meaning to have a go at you. In fact a 36 class would make a lot of sense for Canberra, to complete the tiny, small, missing middle sized, humongous! operating steam collection. Really wish we had SuperPig going.
  worldtraveller Locomotive Driver

Entire Council (9) have now resigned.  Interim Council appointed last night - further developments awaited.
  ivahri Train Controller

Entire Council (9) have now resigned.  Interim Council appointed last night - further developments awaited.
worldtraveller
Fair dinkum what is it with heritage rail people? Some I'm sure would devour their own young... It isn't like this group wasn't doing anything... they were conducting major tours that were attracting passengers from a wide range...

I hope the new people can now put their money where their knives were and show that they can run the ACT ARHS...

To Garry & the others who ran the Temora trip... you have every right to be proud of what you achieved.



Richard Cerveny
  peterreynell Locomotive Fireman

Comment two above only nearly right
Two of the executive had previously resigned

6029 only  a bit player in all this; as is 3016 and all the carriages and the diesels.

Only those involved in operations know the  challenges; my conclusion after 40 years is that restoration is the easy bit.What you see on the road  is also only the tip of a big iceberg involving personal ambition; ego and wholesale concern about the conservation and care of a diverse range of irreplaceable relics.
Give credit where it is due, to staff, to volunteers, to founding fathers  [remember. without us there would be nothing] and to those with the business experience to keep an eye on the hidden costs.  and to all  the volunteers who have a diverse commitment and skill range. Looking after on board clients is apart of a rather complex jigsaw.

Get involved to learn about these things ...there is a call out today for assistance on  Australia Day.
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
... Get involved to learn about these things ...there is a call out today for assistance on  Australia Day.
peterreynell
I would be interested in getting involved as a Canberra local who lives just down the road. However, no call out on your FB page for assistance, only notifications the Aus Day railmotor rides and Valentines Day trips. Similar with the website.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
... Get involved to learn about these things ...there is a call out today for assistance on  Australia Day.
I would be interested in getting involved as a Canberra local who lives just down the road. However, no call out on your FB page for assistance, only notifications the Aus Day railmotor rides and Valentines Day trips. Similar with the website.
SEMartin
http://canberrarailwaymuseum.org/volunteering
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
... Get involved to learn about these things ...there is a call out today for assistance on  Australia Day.
I would be interested in getting involved as a Canberra local who lives just down the road. However, no call out on your FB page for assistance, only notifications the Aus Day railmotor rides and Valentines Day trips. Similar with the website.
http://canberrarailwaymuseum.org/volunteering
apw5910
That's not a "call out for assistance", that's business as usual.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
... Get involved to learn about these things ...there is a call out today for assistance on  Australia Day.
I would be interested in getting involved as a Canberra local who lives just down the road. However, no call out on your FB page for assistance, only notifications the Aus Day railmotor rides and Valentines Day trips. Similar with the website.
http://canberrarailwaymuseum.org/volunteering
That's not a "call out for assistance", that's business as usual.
SEMartin
So what's stopping you? C'mon down!

Anyway, the callout (by email) specifically asked:

So far we have Ben and Les running the Miniature train but they need people to be a ‘guard’ on the train, collect tickets and supervise people in the yard as we will be operating the rail motor concurrently.

We need people to put up fencing too.

It would be nice to have some Australian music playing and it doesn’t have to be just bush style – we need someone to organise.

We have Mark in the office handling ticket sales but he may need some help if it’s particularly busy at certain times.

We need people to help put up signs out on the road on early Tuesday morning and pull them back down later in the afternoon.

The weather prediction for Australia Day is fine with a range of 14-28 degrees.

If you could suggest to families and friends that it could be a good day to celebrate part of the day having a Fun and Yum time at the Museum don’t hold back.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Likely to move into adminstration later today. The ARHS voted last night to cease trading. Web site says "Please note that the Canberra Railway Museum will be closed until further notice"
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Yes. Very sad day today.
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

Agreed.  Now we must move to protect the assets (in the Canberra Museum Trust so should be safe-ish) and to work out a plan to keep the people involved.

Right now don't ask me how.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It's a terrible shame when people who have worked their butts off to preserve our heritage find themselves in a position like this.
I have no idea of any detail, but I'd like to hope that something can be salvaged and/or resurrected from the present situation.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not

Sad this comes as a shock indeed, they only just got back after operating successful shuttles between the Gong and Scarborough as well, what exactly happened? , why did they have to close the doors?
Kind Regards
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Sad this comes as a shock indeed, they only just got back after operating successful shuttles between the Gong and Scarborough as well, what exactly happened? , why did they have to close the doors?
Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Cannot afford to pay outstanding debts. Hence going into administration.

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