Third of Australian military rations to be halal-certified under plan to foster a more inclusive environment

 
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
A third of meals provided to Australian troops will now be halal-certified following a series of new changes.

Ration packs available to servicemen and woman in the field will now need to be more diverse, including kosher, vegetarian and halal options, in an order approved by the Deputy Chief of Army Major General Rick Burr.  

Four of the 12 of the menu options will be halal-certified.


The changes have been pushed through in order “to meet ADF’s (Australian Defence Force) commitment to providing an inclusive working ­environment”, the Daily Telegraph reports.

There are less than 100 Muslims serving in the ADF and the decision to spend money on halal rations has angered some of the military’s 60,000 full time and reserve servicemen and women.

Senator Cory Bernardi said the decision is a sign the military has been “captured by minority interests and appears to have suspended the application of common sense”.

“Our military should be defending our way of life, on and off the battlefield. Decisions like this suggest it has become more an instrument of supporting minority interests rather than being focused on the national interest,” he said.

Former Army intelligence officer and Australian Liberty Alliance Senate candidate for Queensland Bernie Gaynor said Australia deserves “better”.

“Australia is not an Islamic country and our soldiers, sailors and airmen and women deserve better from the government and the politically-correct top brass,” he said.

Unregulated halal certifiers, who would receive taxpayer dollars as a result of the new arrangement, are the subject of a federal government inquiry at this time.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/02/17/05/49/third-of-australian-military-rations-to-be-halal-certified#QtvoapziIogmkmPD.99

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Get over it.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Just serve up vegetarian and non-pig fat cheese/butter and you wouldn't have to halal certify anything....
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Why bother with halal for such a small number of troops ?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Why bother with halal for such a small number of troops ?
freightgate
Why bother with kosher for such a small number of troops?

Sorry, forgot we don't want to upset the Jewish minority.
  2353 Chief Train Controller

Location: Brisvegas
Is there some evidence (apart from the Daily Telegraph) that the Defence Department asked for Halal food or just decided to change the menu, and it turned out that way.  If it was intentional, maybe the Defence Department is planning to on-sell our ration packs to others (hopefully at a profit!)

By spending an infinitesimal amount per item, food producers in Australia routinely get food Halal and Kosher certified as it effectively increases the potential market for the item to include most of Asia and the middle east - a population of billions rather than the millions if the certification is not made.

In an economic environment where Australia can no longer live off the sheep's back or pulling the black stuff out of the ground, I would have thought that expanding markets in other sustainable areas was a good idea.  Getting food certified is part of the process to do this.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
I find this interesting when there is more of a certain type of people (the intended consumers) fighting against us, than for us.  Will changing a small part of what the Defence Force do make more of those people join?


Consider, most of the ration pack contents and packaging is in fact sourced from New Zealand.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
Get over it.
LancedDendrite
We could also tell that to a certain group of people too.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I find this interesting when there is more of a certain type of people (the intended consumers) fighting against us, than for us.  Will changing a small part of what the Defence Force do make more of those people join?


Consider, most of the ration pack contents and packaging is in fact sourced from New Zealand.
QSB6.7
In all honestly, I doubt it.

As for New Zealand, they might not have any combat aircraft in their Air Force but it would seem they do have Halal....

And I just couldn't resist:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUYbI64QHI
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
Years ago I was given a ration pack by a workmate who was a 'Weekend Warrior' and found that except for some sort of brick hard compound (biscuit) it was quite reasonable considering that it was just that, something to eat in the field.
I wasnt overly impressed when I first read the News Report but then after seeing the comment it could be used in other situations like Disaster Relief both here and Overseas made me rethink my ideas on the matter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why bother with halal for such a small number of troops ?
Why bother with kosher for such a small number of troops?

Sorry, forgot we don't want to upset the Jewish minority.
bingley hall

The question is who decides if it is Halal or Kosher?

Does a company do this and charge the Government?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There might be 100 Muslims in the ADF, but how many of them are in positions requiring the eating of 'rat packs'?

Spend the additional dollars on 'certification' on just upping the overall quality.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Are we sure this is not an April Fools joke come early?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Years ago I was given a ration pack by a workmate who was a 'Weekend Warrior' and found that except for some sort of brick hard compound (biscuit) it was quite reasonable considering that it was just that, something to eat in the field.
gordon_s1942
So it should be! The same ration packs have to sustain troops who are doing it for real, I for one want them to be high enough quality that they are not distracted by hunger or incapacitated by the runs.

Similar to the suggestion on Q&A last week that MPs should be banned from using the private health system while in office, perhaps government ministers should be required to survive on ADF standard issue rations at any time that Australian troops are deployed in combat zones.

Spend the additional dollars on 'certification' on just upping the overall quality.
Aaron
If we pull out of the Joint Strike Fighter program, we could do both and have billions of dollars of change left over.

Of all the things needing fixing in the ADF, this is of extremely low concern.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Talking of the Australian Defence Force, there was an interesting article on ABC News about a former high ranking ADF officer being recruited by bikies to help them run their operations - apparently ex-defence personnel are highly sought after by such groups because of their military experience.

Personally I've never known anyone to leave the military without significant psychological issues caused by their service; maybe the bikies are actually supportive and welcoming.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I find this interesting when there is more of a certain type of people (the intended consumers) fighting against us, than for us.  Will changing a small part of what the Defence Force do make more of those people join?


Consider, most of the ration pack contents and packaging is in fact sourced from New Zealand.
QSB6.7
Remember food that says It's product of New Zealand can very much originate from China due to trade agreements they both have.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Why bother with halal for such a small number of troops ?
Why bother with kosher for such a small number of troops?

Sorry, forgot we don't want to upset the Jewish minority.
bingley hall
I understood that kosher and halal requirements overlap to some degree and one may satisfy the other in many cases.

It isn't as if the Halal food is unsuitable for anyone else who might like that particular selection.

M636C
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
This is why I like being an omnivore.  I can eat anyone's food without concerns.

Vegan?            No problems.
Vegetarian?      Go for it.
Fruitarian?        Bring it on.
Pescetarian?     Who doesn't like seafood?
Halal?              Fine by me.
Kosher?           Keep it coming.

Oh, you can't eat any of my food?  (Shrugs)  Ok, more for me, then. Smile
  Hendo Deputy Commissioner

Having served and worked with a few different foreign forces, there is a need for ration packs suitable for foreign troops visiting here, or when being supplied by the Australian Army. Many years ago, a Malaysian infantry Company I was attached to for two months, literally were on starvation rations for two days because of a combat ration pack stuff up, when all the different packs supplied contained pork or ham. It didn't help that the supplementary rice rations hadn't been delivered either.

The response from Defence Image managers (PR) is dumb (as usual), the focus is not on the number of any individual service members of any particular faith in the ADF, it is on the operational need I described above. Plus the disaster relief and so forth. The ding bats like Corey Bernadi and that goose Gaynor are distracted by the obvious, religion, and have no idea about the real need.


Cheers,
Hendo
  Carnot Minister for Railways

One of the main beefs (pardon the pun) is the issue of where the funds from Halal certification end up.

The anti-Halal movement insists that it funds Islamic projects - everything from mosques, schools, Muslim aid and development (which incidentally only goes to Muslims).  Kind of ironic (and potentially treason) when our defense force are spending lots of $$ and energy primarily fighting Islamic radicals who probably learnt their ideology in those places....  They might have a point.

The other thing is that when an animal is Halal slaughtered it is done so via a religious ritual - so the argument is that the Commonwealth (by funding Halal slaughter) is imposing a religious practice - contrary to Section 116 of the Federal Constitution.  To be honest I personally don't really care so much about that - it's just food!  I'd leave that one to the Constitutional lawyers and the High Court.

Some of the more xenophobic voices are a bit uptight and grieved about the Australian Army losing it's "Aussie" (whatever the heck that is) identity by being diluted by multiculturalism.  To those I say - grow up.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

Some of the more xenophobic voices are a bit uptight and grieved about the Australian Army losing it's "Aussie" (whatever the heck that is) identity by being diluted by multiculturalism.  To those I say - grow up.
Carnot
The most ironic part of all this is that many processed foods made in Oz (and NZ for that matter) comply (and always have complied) with "halal" requirements.
The certification is mostly a sales gimmick (Similar to the 'Heart Tick' and other certifications)

A couple of years ago there was a massive "Social Media" back lash against an independent SA milk and dairy produce producer because the company applied for Halal certification for it's products.
The biggest joke was that the products had always been Halal compliant!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Yoghurt might not be halal if it contains gelatine.

I used to have a Muslim acquaintance and the list of prohibited (haram) stuff is mind-bending. If you are a very observant Muslim then nearly everything is potentially contaminated - including toothpaste, deodorant and even things as innocuous as lemonade and milk.

I couldn't live like that. God/Allah/Xenu is watching me all the time so I'd better not pop that delicious looking sandwich into my mouth just in case it's not prepared according to my strict dietary requirements. Don't want to go to hell just because you accidentally enjoyed a bit of ham.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
In a lot of instances nowadays fresh rations are catered for where previously ration packs may have been used. Comes down to cost and circumstances when things are being planned, how long people are away for, where, proximity to provision of fresh rations and practicality of providing them. After exhausting that, ration packs are taken along.

Most ADF members would be happy if it tastes good, regardless of any stamp / tick of DILLIGAF that's on the pack. Have a look at the American ones to see what certification or compliance they have. Much more diverse group of cultures serving in their armed forces i'd suggest.

The first preference that got taken into consideration was vegetarian. And, you cant discriminate just because someones a vegetarian, vegan, glucose intolerant or whatever.

At the very least now if we capture IS terrorists, and under international law we're required to look after them, we can provide food and then tell them to shut the f--k up and eat the ration pack, without anyone being offended.



Regards

ps -  a storm in a tea cup.
  HardSleeper Junior Train Controller

Location: Route 48
The anti-Halal movement insists that it funds Islamic projects - everything from mosques, schools, Muslim aid and development (which incidentally only goes to Muslims).  Kind of ironic (and potentially treason) when our defense force are spending lots of $$ and energy primarily fighting Islamic radicals who probably learnt their ideology in those places....  They might have a point.
Carnot
The eureka flag waving brigade should stop putting fuel into their cars. Oil money would fund more 'Islamic projects' than any spare change made from halal certification...
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I had a conversation with a mate, who spent several years living in Malaysia, a predominantly Moslem country.  We spoke, availability of beer, and other frowned upon items. His response was priceless, if my God didn't want me to eat pork, he wouldn't have made it taste so fockng good!

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