Mernda rail plea falls on deaf ears

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 17 Feb 2016 12:36
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is one of the main issues in the Victorian transport planning.  We are now at least 2 years beyond the last announcement the extension will be built.  By the time the line is laid and trains are running they will need to build 10 kms further.

The line is required to Whittlesea and that is what requires planning for and building.  Just get it done PTV.  The entire project is now in danger of becoming another transport failure if it is not delivered with the 3 additional stations.

Mernda rail plea falls on deaf ears

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  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
This is one of the main issues in the Victorian transport planning.  We are now at least 2 years beyond the last announcement the extension will be built.  By the time the line is laid and trains are running they will need to build 10 kms further.

The line is required to Whittlesea and that is what requires planning for and building.  Just get it done PTV.  The entire project is now in danger of becoming another transport failure if it is not delivered with the 3 additional stations.

Mernda rail plea falls on deaf ears
bevans
I completely agree .
     I know everything cannot be done at once but this project is so obvious it is a 'no -brainer 'that it needs to be done and just get on with it all the way BACK to Whittlesea .
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Have some patience people!

Nearby state seats like Yan Yean are only just held by the ALP and the Libs have been running increasingly effective election campaigns up there. So it's becoming a marginal electorate...

But its not an election year so the politicians don't have to pretend that they care.

Wait for an election year and BOTH parties will promise to pork-barrel vast wads of cash into projects like this.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I completely agree .
     I know everything cannot be done at once but this project is so obvious it is a 'no -brainer 'that it needs to be done and just get on with it all the way BACK to Whittlesea .
Crossover

Exactly.  Why cause so much distress through lack of action.  A blind person could see that is a growth corridor and needs urgent delivery of rail services.  The planners in the PTV surely have rocks in their collective heads.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The planners in the PTV surely have rocks in their collective heads.
"bevans"
The only thing they're planning is their retirement.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Why do we need 3 new stations and an extension to Whittlesea? Surely the 2 proposed stations with a reconfigured bus network would be enough?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Wait for an election year and BOTH parties will promise to pork-barrel vast wads of cash into projects like this.
Bogong
Hard to know what the financial situation will be like in 2018, whether or not there will be a sympathetic Commonwealth able/willing to chip in? Will the rivers of stamp duty gold still be flowing in 2018?

If you take a drive out there it's fairly clear that the suburbs have run miles ahead of the rail network - the South Morang extension was trying to catch up with the urban fringe, which had already gone out to Mernda and beyond by the time the new line had opened. Plenty Road on a weekday morning bears testimony to the sheer numbers of people living out there now but (as usual) the infrastructure isn't keeping up.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
I am confident that the extension to Mernda will be completed in 2019 as recently reported. It's not like a railway can be rolled out like a piece of carpet and it is disappointing that some people here think that it can.

What surprises me is the amount of NIMBY-ism out that way! Some ignoramuses even think that a skyrail will be built for the entire length!!!
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Mernda rail Project status

The project is currently in the planning and development phase. Many investigations and pre planning assessments are being undertaken in preparation for the design and construction of the Mernda Rail.

Initial environmental studies, including flora and fauna, have been completed, geotechnical and site investigations are ongoing and extensive engineering design options are being assessed.

The Level Crossing Removal Authority (LXRA) will manage the development and delivery of the project. LXRA will be working closely with PTV, the City of Whittlesea, the local members of Parliament and the local community to deliver this project.

Construction of the project, pending confirmation of funding, will commence in 2017.


From the Mernda rail web site.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

I am confident that the extension to Mernda will be completed in 2019 as recently reported. It's not like a railway can be rolled out like a piece of carpet and it is disappointing that some people here think that it can.

What surprises me is the amount of NIMBY-ism out that way! Some ignoramuses even think that a skyrail will be built for the entire length!!!
DirtyBallast
Finding out accurate information is actually quite hard work, most of the population would be to lazy to do this and will get all there info from a news media that matchs there in built political and technical biases, and as a consequence will have little grasp on reality. This is why for all major projects the government should put a good amount of resources into a public education campaign  as one certainly cannot rely on the media, particularly the ABC. A good example of such a program is the current one by the level crossing authority for Caufiled Dandenong project.

They should do one in the not to distant future on the Mernda project, probably will when funding is confirmed.

woodford
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
I am confident that the extension to Mernda will be completed in 2019 as recently reported. It's not like a railway can be rolled out like a piece of carpet and it is disappointing that some people here think that it can.

What surprises me is the amount of NIMBY-ism out that way! Some ignoramuses even think that a skyrail will be built for the entire length!!!
Finding out accurate information is actually quite hard work, most of the population would be to lazy to do this and will get all there info from a news media that matchs there in built political and technical biases, and as a consequence will have little grasp on reality. This is why for all major projects the government should put a good amount of resources into a public education campaign  as one certainly cannot rely on the media, particularly the ABC. A good example of such a program is the current one by the level crossing authority for Caufiled Dandenong project.

They should do one in the not to distant future on the Mernda project, probably will when funding is confirmed.

woodford
woodford
Did you mean "Hun"?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Tenders called Monday 29/02/16 for the twin track electrified extension to Mernda with one intermediate station, and tenderers required to also submit a bid with two intermediate stations. Tender includes train stabling at Mernda.  Completion 2019, so well under way by next State  election .
  slowcoach Junior Train Controller

From the video here ->

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbmruXpAHmQ
here the details we know so far:
- Rail will travel UNDER McDonalds Rd near South Morang Station
- New Confirmed Marymede Station next to Marymede College, Williamsons Rd to be built at ground level
- Rail will travel UNDER Plenty Rd
- Rail will travel OVER The Parkway
Optional designs include:
- Rail under OR over road options for a possible new Hawkstowe Station and grade separation at Hawkstowe Parade


- Rail under OR over road options for new premium station at Mernda south of Bridge Inn Rd
- Stabling yard north of Bridge Inn Rd
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It seems we will see some elevated track in the section between South Morang and the Bridge Road inn?

I wonder if the original alignment will still be followed?

I agree with the comments of others the rail line now should be extended further given the time it takes to build anything in this state. DO it once and do it well.
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
I can now see what the politicians think about infrastructure. They do not want to do "too much" at once or else they will have nothing to offer the electorate next time around. They drip feed promises and come back later for the next instalment. Being less cynical, I could say that they can only do so much, given we do not want taxes raised, services cut, paying with charges, or government borrowings/deficits.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I wonder if the original alignment will still be followed?

I agree with the comments of others the rail line now should be extended further given the time it takes to build anything in this state. DO it once and do it well.
bevans
Yes the new line will be fully within the existing railway corridor, but without level crossings !

Mernda will be the end of the line, further extension at this time Is not justified and unaffordable !
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Mernda will be the end of the line, further extension at this time Is not justified and unaffordable !
Nightfire

Only in Victoria would someone not plan the deployment of a railway line to passengers who desperately require a service. Smile

The South Morang extension was way too short, lacks capacity and doesn't address where the housing is going and that is North. Let's not make the same mistake twice.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

The South Morang extension was way too short, lacks capacity and doesn't address where the housing is going and that is North. Let's not make the same mistake twice.
bevans
I think this Is no mistake at all, It's a project that has exceeded expectations and Is ready for the next stage.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The news item states the public are underwhelmed concerning car parking and access.

There is also the issue of overcrowding. How is success measured on this line ?

I think @bevans is saying more needs to be done on taking the line further north ahead of the growth not waiting for it to happen and then build the line.
  Toby Esterhase Station Master

It's quite simple: extension beyond Mernda will NEVER happen because NOBODY (on BOTH sides of politics) wants Whittlesea to become part of Melbourne's urban sprawl.  EVERY planning strategy document since the 1980s has made perfectly clear that the urban area will stretch to MERNDA and no further.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The urban sprawl is gradually creeping out towards Donnybrook, and a dollar gets you ten it will also reach Whittlesea. Developers have money; money talks; Q.E.D.
  slowcoach Junior Train Controller

It's quite simple: extension beyond Mernda will NEVER happen because NOBODY (on BOTH sides of politics) wants Whittlesea to become part of Melbourne's urban sprawl.  EVERY planning strategy document since the 1980s has made perfectly clear that the urban area will stretch to MERNDA and no further.
Toby Esterhase
Except for trainspotters, rail enthusiasts and those who were alive since the 1950s when the last train serviced Whittlesea.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Whittlesea? Just no.

That would almost triple the project for a fraction more patronage - it is not a growth area.

There is no commonality with South Morang - when that was extended, there was already substantial housing at Doreen.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
The news item states the public are underwhelmed concerning car parking and access.

There is also the issue of overcrowding. How is success measured on this line ?

I think @bevans is saying more needs to be done on taking the line further north ahead of the growth not waiting for it to happen and then build the line.
freightgate
If we went by that logic we would have rail lines to every single town in the state. We need to think about what is really needed before we proceed with anything. This way we can be certain we are not making any mistakes.

Unfortunately though this is where politics gets in the way.
  Toby Esterhase Station Master

The urban sprawl is gradually creeping out towards Donnybrook, and a dollar gets you ten it will also reach Whittlesea. Developers have money; money talks; Q.E.D.
Valvegear
The sprawl's creeping out to Donnybrook precisely because that's where planning policy is directing it: go look at the Metropolitan Planning Authority's "Growth Corridor Maps". It won't be jumping across to Whittlesea because both sides of politics and everyone in the planning bureaucracy accepts that would be a disaster.

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