Why not a tourist steam train for defunct rail line?

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 23 Feb 2016 15:41
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is the first interesting idea I have read over the current line usage the only problem being who would be preapred to base themselves on the branch?

Why not a tourist steam train for defunct rail line?

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  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
"Why not a tourist steam train for defunct rail line? "

Where do you start, to tell them the bad news about running steam? And running 421's didn't work out too well either, did it?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Wally world.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
Who is going to pay for it? Steam trains are horrendously expensive to run and recent events down in Victoria and across NSW should indicate to most people that perhaps we have enough tourist railways.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The government would need to provide some support and maybe the council?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Unfortunately running irregular steam trains on very long branch lines even using mostly free labour has not proven to be successful in Australia. Ritz Rail was doing pretty much the same thing and the concept feel over and that was a reasonable standard service train, now the full costs of maintaining the expensive to maintain branch would fall on one irregular steam train.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Why not, this could be entertaining.

Can't get a government funded regular service.

130km of branch line, not used for 15? Years. Plus missing bridges.

Anyone have a serviceable steam loco, they wish to part with?

Associated rolling stock.

Accreditation, administration, safe working, etc.

Staff.

Have we forgotten the Dorrigo experiment?

GMR.

Zig Zag.

I could go on,,,,,
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It's a simple concept; if only the reality were as simple.
The list by michaelgm might not say it all, but by crikey it says enough.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


130km of branch line, not used for 15? Years. Plus missing bridges.
michaelgm
While the rails lay on the ground, there will be those who think with a few bucks trains can again run and when the study proves it will cost millions they will say the study is biased.

and we wonder why the govt wants to rip up the rails.
  Trainguy01 Station Master

Location: Casino
This will be interesting indeed. Although having said that, Elements of Byron will have their railmotor up and running by Easter so that would act as a gauge of possible interest as far as Byron is concerned. We also have to remember, the Ritz Rail last ran 13 years ago, back when the tourism in Byron was just getting started, but now, with 4.7mil+ tourists now coming to the shire and Northern Rivers region, the possible usage numbers could be very different indeed... Im sure many Northern Rivers residents would support this idea rather than that destructive rail trail.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
If it was as just a case of simply 'Wishing it so' every line currently rusty away would be populated with happy smoke or diesel fumed tourists 'Riding the Rails of the State' but unfortunately, apart from enough Rules, Regulations and RED tape', a little thing such as MONEY is generally the biggest hurdle of them all to surmount, not  interest or willing volunteers BUT Money as it COSTS a lot before the first BUM ever sits on a seat.
Even more affluent groups might be struggling to run on lines currently in use because of the costs involved, Insurance I would imagine doesnt come cheap.
I dont know much of the details but the Lithgow Zig Zag had encountered 'problems' before the devastating fire from the Marrangarro Army Camp fire in 2013, destroyed so much irreplaceable infrastructure.
External appearance made the Lithgow Zig Zag seem to be a model of how a Tourist Railway should be run but unfortunately it wasnt the case and over 2 years later, the silence from those associated with the Zig Zag is deafening as to announcing what the future holds for it.

From previous reports, the Group trying to restore the Tarana to Oberon Branch have floated various ideas from using the 'Right of Way' as a 'Rail Walk' to using Trikes or Quadracycles to Trains is still just that, ideas because despite their fervour, they can only do so much with their small team and the financial resources available to them.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Let's restore H220 Heavy Harry, convert the line to broad gauge.  Simples.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Let's restore H220 Heavy Harry, convert the line to broad gauge.
"michaelgm"
Omygawd . . . please - not even in jest.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

The government would need to provide some support and maybe the council?
NSWGR8022
Well, for a start the government wouldn't care not with "The Baird" in power he likes to rip-em-up
as for the council being involved well the railway corridore and it's assets are NOT council property
nor is it council land so I really doubt that you would even get any help from them

I wished rail trail never exsisted, you do realise that rail trail also has their foot into Newcastle, ONCE AGAIN!!!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The government would need to provide some support and maybe the council?
Well, for a start the government wouldn't care not with "The Baird" in power he likes to rip-em-up
as for the council being involved well the railway corridore and it's assets are NOT council property
nor is it council land so I really doubt that you would even get any help from them

I wished rail trail never exsisted, you do realise that rail trail also has their foot into Newcastle, ONCE AGAIN!!!
cityrail-rulez
Probably not a true statement as many a Premier was or would have done it on both sides. Former govt certainly would have done similar. Also the current govt is building LR and HR at a rate not seen in decades.

Rail Trials are a proven success story and considering the poor state of the heritage rail sector, provides a practical way to retain specific worthy corridors with something special where trains are not viable. currently no one uses the Mull'bah line and only the most optimistic people with no funding believe its savable, but converted to Rail Trail, there would be hundreds if not thousands a day and if bike able, would probably be a significant attraction for tourists adding more value than Ritz Rail and the XPT did combined in final years. However Conversion to Rail Trial would not prevent re-introduction of short route train service say Byron Bay shuttle as proposed as the corridor is wide enough to accommodate both.

If there was a viable rail option, I'd support it, but there isn't and its been 12 years since it closed and unlikely there ever will be.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

The last time I was at Byron, and surrounds, was approx 1985. Confident lots of changes since then. Aside from the railmotor shuttle, I can't see any other rail traffic, at least not from the south. Now this may appear fanciful, would there be a possibility, that rail could come Qld, south as far as say Byron?

Of course it would relaying, and re-gauging the line, and the cap ex, to bridge the Tweed, which is probably why the line terminated where it did anyway, Murwillumbah, or just north. With development in SE Qld. and Northern NSW as it is, would population and demographic make this a viable alternative, some time in the future?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

This is the first interesting idea I have read over the current line usage the only problem being who would be preapred to base themselves on the branch?

Why not a tourist steam train for defunct rail line?
bevans
For starters there are a couple of bridges missing so the whole length of the line is not possible any more. There will already be a diesel train running from Byron bay to a resort along that line very soon and if it is successful then it could be extended to Mullumbimby and Ocean shores.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The last time I was at Byron, and surrounds, was approx 1985. Confident lots of changes since then. Aside from the railmotor shuttle, I can't see any other rail traffic, at least not from the south. Now this may appear fanciful, would there be a possibility, that rail could come Qld, south as far as say Byron?

Of course it would relaying, and re-gauging the line, and the cap ex, to bridge the Tweed, which is probably why the line terminated where it did anyway, Murwillumbah, or just north. With development in SE Qld. and Northern NSW as it is, would population and demographic make this a viable alternative, some time in the future?
michaelgm
trains no. the light rail yes.
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

The government would need to provide some support and maybe the council?
Well, for a start the government wouldn't care not with "The Baird" in power he likes to rip-em-up
as for the council being involved well the railway corridore and it's assets are NOT council property
nor is it council land so I really doubt that you would even get any help from them

I wished rail trail never exsisted, you do realise that rail trail also has their foot into Newcastle, ONCE AGAIN!!!
Probably not a true statement as many a Premier was or would have done it on both sides. Former govt certainly would have done similar. Also the current govt is building LR and HR at a rate not seen in decades.

Rail Trials are a proven success story and considering the poor state of the heritage rail sector, provides a practical way to retain specific worthy corridors with something special where trains are not viable. currently no one uses the Mull'bah line and only the most optimistic people with no funding believe its savable, but converted to Rail Trail, there would be hundreds if not thousands a day and if bike able, would probably be a significant attraction for tourists adding more value than Ritz Rail and the XPT did combined in final years. However Conversion to Rail Trial would not prevent re-introduction of short route train service say Byron Bay shuttle as proposed as the corridor is wide enough to accommodate both.

If there was a viable rail option, I'd support it, but there isn't and its been 12 years since it closed and unlikely there ever will be.


The current government might be building LR and HR at a high rate, but only in Sydney.
Baird doesn't know NSW extends further north than Hornsby
RTT_Rules
  Trainguy01 Station Master

Location: Casino
The government would need to provide some support and maybe the council?
Well, for a start the government wouldn't care not with "The Baird" in power he likes to rip-em-up
as for the council being involved well the railway corridore and it's assets are NOT council property
nor is it council land so I really doubt that you would even get any help from them

I wished rail trail never exsisted, you do realise that rail trail also has their foot into Newcastle, ONCE AGAIN!!!
cityrail-rulez
Rail trail in Newcastle? I hope you are kidding
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

The only rail trail in Newcastle, will be walking between the high rises built in the corridor, on the way to your car.
  Trainguy01 Station Master

Location: Casino
This is the first interesting idea I have read over the current line usage the only problem being who would be preapred to base themselves on the branch?

Why not a tourist steam train for defunct rail line?
For starters there are a couple of bridges missing so the whole length of the line is not possible any more. There will already be a diesel train running from Byron bay to a resort along that line very soon and if it is successful then it could be extended to Mullumbimby and Ocean shores.
simstrain
Just because the bridges are missing doesn't mean trains can't return. Truth is, these bridges where decades old and full of termites and where is urgent need of replacement, even when the railway line was still operating. It did remove the cost of these bridges removal though, from the reinstatement figure.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
There's a song going in the background. Ah! now I can hear it:-

"The day will come
They'll come running to me;
The day the sun turns black
And there's a money tree."
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

An anyiomous Australian billionaire, has just announced he has purchased the Casino/Murwiiliambah line.

Rolling stock, has also been acquired. These items include 3813, and 5711.

Both locos, will be fired by hydrogen fuel cells, and cosmetic smoke, from confiscated marijuana from the region. The 38 will be rebuilt to make an attempt on the world steam record. 126.? MPH.

The entire line will be rebuilt, to an unlimited speed limit, except 100kph, through Byron town. Super elevation and all.

Rail and sail, between the line limits, will be met by The vessel SS Totanic X.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I don't know what you're taking michaelgm, but if it makes you feel that good, I'll have three.

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