It's the economy, stupid!

 
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Haven't you got a bin to pick, Bin Chicken?
That's all remaining in the ammo locker?
Such a disappointment.
I don't agree with everything that RTT_Rules (Shane) says but I can respect him after several years of crossing swords with him because he will at least pull apart my arguments.

Not so Valvegear, he just delights in his ad hominems against me - he's exactly the kind of troll that he thinks he's not.

Still, it must kill him and all the other deluded "true believers" that Pauline Hanson represents Australian workers more than the so-called "Labor" party does. Labor can't wait to sell out Aussie workers to cheap overseas labour and destroy our living standards.
don_dunstan
I always find it interesting that often the people who complain about long posts or what ever are often but not always the one who make personal attacks because they are not used to people hitting them with facts and just fall back to the days of the school yard bully or rather often the cheer squad.

There is one good FB quote worth repeating. "You have people disagree with you, good you stood up for what you believe in, even if not always right"

But Don, "Bin Chicken Gladys", probably time to let that one die.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Roger Waters joins Bono and Bob Geldof in telling the world what's good for them - and he gives a special shout out to us in the antipodes telling us we're white supremacists whose racism is in our bones - Sydney Morning Herald;

"You know we get more joy, I believe, if you go out of your way to try and make it better for your brothers and sisters, and if you welcome your brothers and sisters from Asia in," he said.

"Australia is a big enough country, you could get the whole population of the bloody world on it if you could figure out how to get some irrigation.

"That brings you far more joy than going 'Nah, get out of here, we’re going to lock you up on an island somewhere and then send you wherever we can.'

He said Australia was an "unbelievably racist" country, the legacy of its colonial past.

"That doesn’t just go away, that lives in your bones," he said. "They created in you an idea that because you came from Europe and you’re pale skinned, people who are not pale skinned and didn’t come from Europe … are in some way inferior to you.

"And if that seeps into your society you are white supremacist. And Australia exbibits a lot of the manifestations of white supremacy. The main white supremacist manifestation is keeping coloured people out, foreign people out, anybody who’s Asian or black, keep 'em out, let’s only have white people. That’s white supremacist."

What Australia should be doing is "owning up to the crimes of the British after Cook", he said.

Did you hear that? All we have to do is irrigate the nation and then we can have the entire population of the world here, it's that easy. Where-ever would we be without righteous multi-millionaire musicians, they have all the answers for life's problems.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
But Don, "Bin Chicken Gladys", probably time to let that one die.
RTT_Rules
Sorry Shane but the NSW election is in full swing and even here in the boondocks we get coverage of the smiling Gladys Bin Chicken telling the people of Sydney that her decision to knock over Allianz Stadium at Moore Park @ $730 million was a good one - such a good decision in fact that they've been keeping the media and the public as far away as possible from the demolition site - News.com.au;

THIS seemingly mundane photograph of a sports stadium in the early stages of demolition illustrates a $730 million controversy the government would rather you didn't see.

Allianz Stadium in Moore Park in Sydney has been surrounded by large fences and scaffolding as works to dismantle the venue kick off... With an election just months away - one a succession of opinion polls indicate her government will struggle to win - the demolition hasn't attracted the usual media fanfare that large-scale infrastructure projects ordinarily would.

The image, obtained by news.com.au, shows that pulling apart Allianz Stadium is well under way.

Why have better schools or lower car registration when you can rebuild a less-than-20 year old stadium for just under a billion? Bargain.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
But Don, "Bin Chicken Gladys", probably time to let that one die.
Sorry Shane but the NSW election is in full swing and even here in the boondocks we get coverage of the smiling Gladys Bin Chicken telling the people of Sydney that her decision to knock over Allianz Stadium at Moore Park @ $730 million was a good one - such a good decision in fact that they've been keeping the media and the public as far away as possible from the demolition site - News.com.au;

THIS seemingly mundane photograph of a sports stadium in the early stages of demolition illustrates a $730 million controversy the government would rather you didn't see.

Allianz Stadium in Moore Park in Sydney has been surrounded by large fences and scaffolding as works to dismantle the venue kick off... With an election just months away - one a succession of opinion polls indicate her government will struggle to win - the demolition hasn't attracted the usual media fanfare that large-scale infrastructure projects ordinarily would.

The image, obtained by news.com.au, shows that pulling apart Allianz Stadium is well under way.

Why have better schools or lower car registration when you can rebuild a less-than-20 year old stadium for just under a billion? Bargain.
don_dunstan
Not a big fan of the stadium projects myself but I have heard reasonable arguments that were put forward including the small size of the Sydney Foot ball stadium, so each to their own.

I think you will find its standard safety procedures to keep the public a fair distance from a demolition site and to ensure the public cannot see in to any construction site, Canberra hospital enough of a reason for you?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
IN the words of those forgettable one-hit wonders The Bachman-Turner Overdrive - You ain't seen nothin' yet.
can't_get_a_root
Still living in the past, I see.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
IN the words of those forgettable one-hit wonders The Bachman-Turner Overdrive - You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Still living in the past, I see.
Malesta Child
If only, I'd go all Terminator on the past - I'd start with assassinating Bob Hawke, a man so incurably vain he married his biographer. But I guess I'll just have to be happy with a glass of Veuve Cliquot when that human stain passes off this mortal coil.

I guess you've done all right out of globalisation and "level playing field" though so why would you care.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Not a big fan of the stadium projects myself but I have heard reasonable arguments that were put forward including the small size of the Sydney Foot ball stadium, so each to their own.

I think you will find its standard safety procedures to keep the public a fair distance from a demolition site and to ensure the public cannot see in to any construction site, Canberra hospital enough of a reason for you?
RTT_Rules
Gladys didn't show up for the contract awarding and she's been very careful to keep her distance from it - she knows it's not popular with the public at large.

The SCG Trust had been agitating the NSW government for the rebuild because it would allow them to build in more corporate boxes because that's where the big $$$ is in the twenty-first century - nothing at all to do with improving the experience for the (ugh) hoi polloi.

I'm not sure if that stadium has ever actually been full, hardly anyone actually goes to sporting events in Sydney unlike Melbourne and that won't change with a new stadium. Be aware that the NSW government is also paying for a world class gym, a restaurant etc etc. Obviously all that was completely necessary and needed which is why the whole thing had to be knocked over...

Not.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
IN the words of those forgettable one-hit wonders The Bachman-Turner Overdrive - You ain't seen nothin' yet.
Still living in the past, I see.
If only, I'd go all Terminator on the past - I'd start with assassinating Bob Hawke, a man so incurably vain he married his biographer. But I guess I'll just have to be happy with a glass of Veuve Cliquot when that human stain passes off this mortal coil.

I guess you've done all right out of globalisation and "level playing field" though so why would you care.
don_dunstan
Actually, there is a very simple step you can take to pretend that the good old days never ended.

Stay away from the internet.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Gladys didn't show up for the contract awarding and she's been very careful to keep her distance from it - she knows it's not popular with the public at large.

The SCG Trust had been agitating the NSW government for the rebuild because it would allow them to build in more corporate boxes because that's where the big $$$ is in the twenty-first century - nothing at all to do with improving the experience for the (ugh) hoi polloi.

I'm not sure if that stadium has ever actually been full, hardly anyone actually goes to sporting events in Sydney unlike Melbourne and that won't change with a new stadium. Be aware that the NSW government is also paying for a world class gym, a restaurant etc etc. Obviously all that was completely necessary and needed which is why the whole thing had to be knocked over...

Not.
don_dunstan
As I said before I don't agree with everything the govt is doing, however they have and are doing more for NSW in last 8 years than 11 year govt before them and certainly not less than Vic, which was what I replied the first time.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE

I guess you've done all right out of globalisation and "level playing field" though so why would you care.
don_dunstan
Most of the country has!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud

I guess you've done all right out of globalisation and "level playing field" though so why would you care.Most of the country has!
RTT_Rules
Nah there's some pretty clear evidence that living standards have gone down for the majority of Australians since around 2012; the main culprits are flat or falling wages, the cost of energy and the cost of housing. Even though we have increasing GDP - which is the main measure of economic growth - GDP per capita has been very flat indicating that average households are not doing any better. Running a mass-migration program @ around 300,000 p/a is preventing a technical recession but for the last seven years average Aussies have not seen their living standards increase.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Actually, there is a very simple step you can take to pretend that the good old days never ended.

Stay away from the internet.
DirtyBallast
Let me guess - "I'm alright Jack, too bad about the rest of you"?
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

Actually, there is a very simple step you can take to pretend that the good old days never ended.

Stay away from the internet.
Let me guess - "I'm alright Jack, too bad about the rest of you"?
don_dunstan

On the upside Don, if you did that we would not have to hear you boast about wanting to murder people.

Charming stuff yet again.

Craig w
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
On the upside Don, if you did that we would not have to hear you boast about wanting to murder people.
CraigW
Oh! . . a thought crime. Don says that's just as bad as doing the crime itself. (see "Welcome to Trump Town, page 38, 12th February)
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
On the upside Don, if you did that we would not have to hear you boast about wanting to murder people.

Charming stuff yet again.

Craig w
CraigW

Bob Hawke is not a person.
Oh! . . a thought crime. Don says that's just as bad as doing the crime itself. (see "Welcome to Trump Town, page 38, 12th February)
Valvegear

Mmm, yeah okay you got me there, I've had lots of thought-crimes and I've even made the mistake of expressing my thought-crimes publicly here. Lucky for me we don't live in a cyber-punk Orwellian dystopia like some countries I could name... I'd get a message through the computer telling me stand out the front of my house and wait for the Ministry of Love to come and pick me up.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Actually, there is a very simple step you can take to pretend that the good old days never ended.

Stay away from the internet.
Let me guess - "I'm alright Jack, too bad about the rest of you"?
don_dunstan
*smirk* More like 99.9% of us have learnt to adapt, but you are the quintessential loser.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Let me guess - "I'm alright Jack, too bad about the rest of you"?
*smirk* More like 99.9% of us have learnt to adapt, but you are the quintessential loser.
DirtyBallast
99.9% have adapted? You live in Melbourne don't you, stick your head out the window. It's a slum in the making.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
You live in Melbourne don't you,
don_dunstan
No.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
No.
DirtyBallast

Well apologies but all the same all the evidence points to Australian living standards declining in the last several years. Any cause for concern? Or just a nonsensical statement that 99.9% are doing better?

Clearly they aren't.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

You live in Melbourne don't you,
No.
DirtyBallast
Lots of European cities have had high rise housing for yonks and I would hardly call most of them slums.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
No.

Well apologies but all the same all the evidence points to Australian living standards declining in the last several years. Any cause for concern? Or just a nonsensical statement that 99.9% are doing better?

Clearly they aren't.
don_dunstan
Prove it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Lots of European cities have had high rise housing for yonks and I would hardly call most of them slums.
nswtrains

Clearly not what I'm talking about - actual standards of living have gone backwards for the majority. That's the core issue. And almost all of the jobs that have been created in Australia in the last 12 months have been in Sydney and Melbourne - does nobody see the problem with that? There's some kind of services/real-estate/education ponzi scheme selling citizenship going on in Melbourne and Sydney and the fact that real-estate is crashing is the bell ringing (very loudly I must say) on this scheme.

Case in point: CoreLogic quarterly indices for 25/2/2019:

Sydney -4.37%
Melbourne -4.38%
Perth -3.37%

These figures (for the last THREE MONTHS I remind you) are showing quite clearly that two-thirds of the national real-estate market is in severe distress, in free-fall. There's wealth being destroyed by the billions as I type this, do none of you people get this? The whole thing is over, the paradigm is broken and there's no floor under how poor we're going to get as a nation.

This is the most prescient issue we face right now and you want to crucify me because I'm fingering the architects of our doom - Hawke and Keating? Blame them, they put us exactly on the path to where we are right now.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
No.

Well apologies but all the same all the evidence points to Australian living standards declining in the last several years. Any cause for concern? Or just a nonsensical statement that 99.9% are doing better?

Clearly they aren't.
Prove it.
DirtyBallast
I posted evidence earlier up the page, I'm not going to repeat myself.

Also there's this little thing called Google now-days, not sure if you've heard of it?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Lots of European cities have had high rise housing for yonks and I would hardly call most of them slums.

Clearly not what I'm talking about - actual standards of living have gone backwards for the majority. That's the core issue. And almost all of the jobs that have been created in Australia in the last 12 months have been in Sydney and Melbourne - does nobody see the problem with that? There's some kind of services/real-estate/education ponzi scheme selling citizenship going on in Melbourne and Sydney and the fact that real-estate is crashing is the bell ringing (very loudly I must say) on this scheme.

Case in point: CoreLogic quarterly indices for 25/2/2019:

Sydney -4.37%
Melbourne -4.38%
Perth -3.37%

These figures (for the last THREE MONTHS I remind you) are showing quite clearly that two-thirds of the national real-estate market is in severe distress, in free-fall. There's wealth being destroyed by the billions as I type this, do none of you people get this? The whole thing is over, the paradigm is broken and there's no floor under how poor we're going to get as a nation.

This is the most prescient issue we face right now and you want to crucify me because I'm fingering the architects of our doom - Hawke and Keating? Blame them, they put us exactly on the path to where we are right now.
don_dunstan
13 11 14.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
13 11 14.
DirtyBallast
Okay so you've perfectly encapsulated your amount of care right there. I hope you're really ashamed because I would be, poverty exists in this country - it might be relatively hidden but it's there.

Have another slice of cake.

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