It's the economy, stupid!

 
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Revolting grub Paul Keating ...
don_dunstan
Here we go Rolling Eyes

The biggest benefactors of our economic relationship with China are hardly likely to vote Labor. The LNP will say what's necessary for domestic consumption but they're not about to do anything to jeopardise trade.

So this enemy of my enemy thing that you have running, who's the main enemy here the ALP or China Laughing

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Revolting grub Paul Keating ...
Here we go Rolling Eyes

The biggest benefactors of our economic relationship with China are hardly likely to vote Labor. The LNP will say what's necessary for domestic consumption but they're not about to do anything to jeopardise trade.

So this enemy of my enemy thing that you have running, who's the main enemy here the ALP or China Laughing
Groundrelay
You keep saying that its the LNP who benefit most from our relationship with communist China and yet let's look at who actually does what.

On the ALP side of the ledger we have Paul Keating and Bob Carr arguing strenuously for our intelligence services to be dismantled because they aren't sympathetic enough to a totalitarian state; Sam Dastyari kicked out of parliament for tipping off a Chinese billionaire (Huang Xiangmo) that his phone was being monitored by ASIO; NSW Labor tainted by the communist party money coming in via the same billionaire ($100,000 in cash in an Aldi shopping bag), Earnest Wong kicked out of the NSW Labor Party and dis-endorsed from his safe upper house seat because he bought in too much cash from too many suspicious sources. Only recently ICAC in NSW revealing that the Chinese Communist Party's links in NSW Labor were very deep and involved huge amounts of cash - and that there's still lots more revelations to come.

The only comparable thing on the LNP side is the Gladys Liu thing in Victoria - and in fact we have two politicians (Andrew Hastie and James Patterson) banned from going to China because apparently they aren't kow-towing enough to warrant a visa.

Looks to me like the ALP has been the main benefactor of the Chinese Communist Party's largess in Australia, particularly when it comes to Aldi bags loaded with anonymous cash. Maybe that's why Paul Keating is calling for any analysis of our relationship with China to be curtailed. They're good for us - full-stop. And don't you question it or it's racist.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

So it's the ALP - in love with the CCP.
The LNP - mostly financially beholden to, with some infiltration by the CCP.  *with notable dissenters Hastie and Patterson.
The Greens - actual Communists. *with some notable dissenters.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Josh Frydenburg's call for older workers to stay in the workforce longer has one big problem: There aren't enough jobs to go around. From The New Daily;

Asking older Australians to work for longer won’t help the economy as there aren’t enough jobs to go around.

That’s the call from leading economist Jim Stanford, who told The New Daily that Treasurer Josh Frydenberg’s push to get Australians working for longer betrayed a misunderstanding of the economic challenges facing the country.

“The problem we have is a shortage of jobs, not a shortage of people to do the jobs,” Dr Stanford said.

“Instead of telling older workers that they should stay in the labour market and work until they’re 70, we should be encouraging them to retire by giving them secure and decent pensions.

“And when they do that, they’ll be helping to make room for young people, who have got skills and energy but can’t find work.”

There's something like 2 million under/un-employed Australians out there as it is; where do the jobs come from for the over-65 people that Joe Hockey wanted to stay in the workforce?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Revolting grub Paul Keating tells Australians that they're not welcoming enough of our new communist overlords and that we should be silencing any and all dissent of his official view that murderous communist dictatorships are good for us - The Guardian Australia;

In a typically excoriating speech, the former prime minister lambasted Australian security agencies and the media for their anti-China rhetoric, saying they failed to grasp the magnitude of shifting power in the Asia Pacific.

Keating accused the Australian media of “hysteria” and security agencies of undermining the nuance and flexibility of Australian diplomacy.

“My concern is that what passes for the foreign policy of Australia lacks any sense of strategic purpose,” he said in a speech to the Australian’s Strategic Forum event in Sydney.

“The whispered word of ‘communism’ of old is now being replaced by the word ‘China’.

So he wants to silence any frank and fearless advice from ASIO that the Chinese Communist Party is infiltrating universities and public institutions - is that because they're wrong or just because he wants us to submit to the communists? He won't say. He fails to disclose at any point of his speech that he's being paid to be on the board of a Chinese 'development bank' and is therefore paid to spruik a positive opinion of them just like Bob Hawke was paid by the nuclear industry to promote a nuclear waste dump in Australia.

Paul Keating is a has-been whose destruction of working class Australia has more or less guaranteed that Labor will not be back in power for a generation. He should be (at the very least) kicked out of the Australian Labor Party for his continued dis-service to the Australian workers - if they had any guts that's what they'd do.
don_dunstan
I wouldn't like to bet your house on your last statement. They might be back in sooner than you think. Sco Mo is going madder by the hour and I am just waiting for the insurrection by Dutton. And that will be fatal to the LNP.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I wouldn't like to bet your house on your last statement. They might be back in sooner than you think. Sco Mo is going madder by the hour and I am just waiting for the insurrection by Dutton. And that will be fatal to the LNP.
nswtrains
The Labor Party is un-electable; they've actually continued to lose ground since the election in Queensland and western Sydney where they desperately need to win seats in order to govern.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The former head of ASIO Duncan Lewis warns that every politician in Australia is a target for the Chinese Communist Party - Sydney Morning Herald;

Former ASIO boss Duncan Lewis has said the Chinese government is seeking to "take over" Australia's political system through its "insidious" foreign interference operations.

Any person in political office was a potential target, he said, with the full impact perhaps not apparent for decades. Asked what the Chinese government wanted from Australia, Mr Lewis said: "They are trying to place themselves in a position of advantage."

As well as targeting politicians, Chinese authorities were working to win influence in social, business and media circles, he said.

"Espionage and foreign interference is insidious. Its effects might not present for decades and by that time it's too late. You wake up one day and find decisions made in our country that are not in the interests of our country," Mr Lewis said.

"Not only in politics but also in the community or in business. It takes over, basically, pulling the strings from offshore."

Paul Keating says that this kind of advice is 'sinophobic' and should be ignored. In the meantime Liberal MP Gladys Liu's extraordinary success doesn't seem to have raised any pertinent questions - Fairfax/Nine;

Liu’s extraordinary success as a fundraiser – more than $1 million by her own account, before she’d even been elected to parliament – remains to be probed.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison, in a desperate effort to protect his new MP, accused the opposition of racism. This is a favoured tactic of Beijing. Any scrutiny of Chinese activity is “racist”. Morrison should have resisted the urge to do Beijing’s work for it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Elon Musk's latest Tesla vehicle launch goes terribly wrong - ZeroHedge;

In our wildest dreams, we couldn't imagine a more ridiculous revealing of Tesla's new "Cybertruck" than what took place.

As the old saying goes, "a picture is worth a thousand words".

And here's that picture: a truck with two shattered windows that looks like it rolled out of a dumpster heap at a metal scrapyard, being offered for the low low price of just $39,900.


The theme of the Cybertruck unveiling, after getting over the way the thing looked, was its durability. "We created an exoskeleton," Musk says at one point, describing the truck's exterior. It was something Musk literally "hammered home" starting at the beginning of his presentation. In fact, after revealing the truck, he had one of his assistants come on stage and hit the door with a sledge hammer. The door didn't budge.

No dents! Incredible! Musk's genius shines through again!

...Then, in what can only be described as a massively embarrassing failure, Musk then had his assistant come on stage and try to break the truck's armored glass.

"Normal glass shatters immediately," Musk said as his assistants, dressed like characters from The Matrix, dropped a metal ball on conventional glass, causing it to shatter.

At which point another of Musk's assistants gently threw a similar metal ball at the Cybertruck parked on stage. The driver's side window promptly broke.

"Oh my f****** God," Musk nervously said, live on the stream, after the front window shattered into a million pieces...

...Musk then, assuming it was just a one-off and an aberration, implored his assistant to try again and throw at the back window. You can probably guess what happened next: the second window also broke.

So Musk nervously joked his way through the rest of the skit, claiming maybe his assistant had thrown at the truck "too hard". In other words, Musk's presentation of the indestructible Cybertruck had been bested by a skinny Silicon Valley beta male lofting a small object at it.

Musk then moved on and talked about the suspension on the truck - with the smashed glass still present in the windows - where it remained for the rest of the demonstration.

Meanwhile, in almost real-time, one alert viewer pointed out that the truck's back left wheel also appeared to be in the process of falling off...
The thing looks like a bad prop from a Mad Max film, who is their market supposed to be? It's obviously not ready for production either... you've really got to worry about the competence of the Telsa management after that performance.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Elon Musk's latest Tesla vehicle launch goes terribly wrong - ZeroHedge;
don_dunstan
Some large youtube tech channel eluded to the fact that perhaps the break could have been staged, so you would talk about how it broke, and then again when it got fixed...

Styling for me is a bit.... eh.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Revolting grub Paul Keating ...
Here we go Rolling Eyes

The biggest benefactors of our economic relationship with China are hardly likely to vote Labor. The LNP will say what's necessary for domestic consumption but they're not about to do anything to jeopardise trade.

So this enemy of my enemy thing that you have running, who's the main enemy here the ALP or China Laughing
Groundrelay
Australia runs a trade surplus with China, ie we make more money off them than they us.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australias-booming-trade-with-china-will-shape-strategic-policy/

interesting article, we are heavily exposed to China, however you cannot just stop iron ore, coal and gas if they don't like what we say.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Elon Musk's latest Tesla vehicle launch goes terribly wrong - ZeroHedge;
Some large youtube tech channel eluded to the fact that perhaps the break could have been staged, so you would talk about how it broke, and then again when it got fixed...

Styling for me is a bit.... eh.
speedemon08
Musk has done well with his Model S, X, 3 and soon to be Y for which the later is expected to exceed the popular Model 3 and likely be one of the most popular cars in the world.

Musk has changed the personal transport industry, forever, killing the hopes of the ultra green movement that cars had no future and PT was the way to go because cars burn petrol. I think most people would agree without Tesla, almost no one would be driving or thinking of driving an EV now. He forced the hands of govts, the established auto industry and changed the way we look at personal transport.

He does all this, then he brings out this monstrosity. This thing should be a "special vehicles" version on his Comparable to F-150 EV for the American redneck preppers.

Why does a 4x4 need Armour glass?

The Delorian only became popular after it was long out of production and they made a very popular series of movies.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Elon Musk's latest Tesla vehicle launch goes terribly wrong - ZeroHedge;
Some large youtube tech channel eluded to the fact that perhaps the break could have been staged, so you would talk about how it broke, and then again when it got fixed...

Styling for me is a bit.... eh.
Musk has done well with his Model S, X, 3 and soon to be Y for which the later is expected to exceed the popular Model 3 and likely be one of the most popular cars in the world.

Musk has changed the personal transport industry, forever, killing the hopes of the ultra green movement that cars had no future and PT was the way to go because cars burn petrol. I think most people would agree without Tesla, almost no one would be driving or thinking of driving an EV now. He forced the hands of govts, the established auto industry and changed the way we look at personal transport.

He does all this, then he brings out this monstrosity. This thing should be a "special vehicles" version on his Comparable to F-150 EV for the American redneck preppers.

Why does a 4x4 need Armour glass?

The Delorian only became popular after it was long out of production and they made a very popular series of movies.
RTT_Rules
Ford market the Hybrid F150 to rednecks as a truck with an onboard inverter rather than a more fuel efficient truck.

I am an EV car liker, but for all appearences this will be an uphill battle.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I really like the look of Elon's truck.  What I don't like is the use of 3mm thick Stainless steel.  A very resource hungry and overweight machine to manufacture. Not really sustainable.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I think it's worth asking just how long Blanche d’Alpuget had been seeing Bob Hawke for - Lisa Wikinson's Channel Nine interview exposed the awkward truth that the pair had an 'instant attraction' having met in 1970.

The poor buggers, it's got Charles and Diana written all over it -
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Australia runs a trade surplus with China, ie we make more money off them than they us.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australias-booming-trade-with-china-will-shape-strategic-policy/

interesting article, we are heavily exposed to China, however you cannot just stop iron ore, coal and gas if they don't like what we say.
RTT_Rules
As long as we're prepared to accept a nice, gentle communist takeover of Australia then all's well.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Elon Musk's latest Tesla vehicle launch goes terribly wrong - ZeroHedge;
Some large youtube tech channel eluded to the fact that perhaps the break could have been staged, so you would talk about how it broke, and then again when it got fixed...

Styling for me is a bit.... eh.
speedemon08
I don't get why he would stage a product failure - please explain.

Also comes on top of yet another rocket explosion - please explain why we're indulging these billionaires like him and Branson with space travel when the world is supposedly collapsing in twelve years anyway? Should the carbon monster be the focus of the money? Or don't they care about the future of humanity... oh, right.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Elon Musk's latest Tesla vehicle launch goes terribly wrong - ZeroHedge;
Some large youtube tech channel eluded to the fact that perhaps the break could have been staged, so you would talk about how it broke, and then again when it got fixed...

Styling for me is a bit.... eh.
I don't get why he would stage a product failure - please explain.

Also comes on top of yet another rocket explosion - please explain why we're indulging these billionaires like him and Branson with space travel when the world is supposedly collapsing in twelve years anyway? Should the carbon monster be the focus of the money? Or don't they care about the future of humanity... oh, right.
don_dunstan
The rocket was a prototype still in development so I wouldn't call it "yet another", testing phase, things happen.

I doubt the car window break it was staged.

The world isn't coming to an end in 12y

Space travel is like any other technology R&D, it will only stop when life ends. Its also their money.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The rocket was a prototype still in development so I wouldn't call it "yet another", testing phase, things happen. I doubt the car window break it was staged.
RTT_Rules
Roger - the exploded prototype rocket was all part of a plot to make Elon look smart. Also the car failed by not being able to do a stated feature in a demonstration but that's all okay. Succeeded brilliantly didn't it, he looked really clever standing there trying to sell a car with broken windows and a wonky wheel.
The world isn't coming to an end in 12y
RTT_Rules
Yes it is, obviously you aren't listening to the right news sources, the world is ending in 12 years. Support your local anti-carbon monster campaign, it's the only way to keep it from devouring the planet. Aren't you listening to the billionaires? Geez, get with the program!
Space travel is like any other technology R&D, it will only stop when life ends. Its also their money.
RTT-Rules
So instead of listening to them about the end of the world because of carbon monster (something they won't personally crimp their lifestyles for) we should be applauding their complete waste of money on space exploration. Got it. You just love your billionaire hypocrites, don't you.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I really like the look of Elon's truck.  What I don't like is the use of 3mm thick Stainless steel.  A very resource hungry and overweight machine to manufacture. Not really sustainable.
Carnot
Who is the market, military, police? Surely not a civilian use with 'bullet-proof glass' and 3mm thick steel.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I really like the look of Elon's truck.  What I don't like is the use of 3mm thick Stainless steel.  A very resource hungry and overweight machine to manufacture. Not really sustainable.
Who is the market, military, police? Surely not a civilian use with 'bullet-proof glass' and 3mm thick steel.
don_dunstan
Preppers
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The rocket was a prototype still in development so I wouldn't call it "yet another", testing phase, things happen. I doubt the car window break it was staged.
Roger - the exploded prototype rocket was all part of a plot to make Elon look smart. Also the car failed by not being able to do a stated feature in a demonstration but that's all okay. Succeeded brilliantly didn't it, he looked really clever standing there trying to sell a car with broken windows and a wonky wheel.
The world isn't coming to an end in 12y
Yes it is, obviously you aren't listening to the right news sources, the world is ending in 12 years. Support your local anti-carbon monster campaign, it's the only way to keep it from devouring the planet. Aren't you listening to the billionaires? Geez, get with the program!
Space travel is like any other technology R&D, it will only stop when life ends. Its also their money.
So instead of listening to them about the end of the world because of carbon monster (something they won't personally crimp their lifestyles for) we should be applauding their complete waste of money on space exploration. Got it. You just love your billionaire hypocrites, don't you.
don_dunstan
Its a rocket, the industry is not unknown for things going bang in development and its better they go bang in development than on the way up. I doubt anyone seriously links an exploding rocket to making the chief designer look smart, rather opposite.

Wouldn't be the first demonstration to go wrong and he didn't look happy dropping a few 4 letter words in the process.

I watched the video of it driving onto the stage and the wheel looked fine. I think its something to do with the angle if it has rear independent suspension. Anyway the actual cars they often use in these demo's is often nothing more than a skin on a rolling chassis, somethings not even the actual car with power train.

Billionaires investing money into science, its their money. In the mean time there are literally 10,000's of jobs been generated. Yep, obviously they are doing it wrong.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I really like the look of Elon's truck.  What I don't like is the use of 3mm thick Stainless steel.  A very resource hungry and overweight machine to manufacture. Not really sustainable.
Carnot
Its because its an exoskeleton, not the usual chassis with a skin. Final weight likely to be similar, maybe less than EV equivalent.

Its Stainless so no rust, no need for paint and easy and attractive to recycle.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Elon Musk's latest Tesla vehicle launch goes terribly wrong - ZeroHedge;
Some large youtube tech channel eluded to the fact that perhaps the break could have been staged, so you would talk about how it broke, and then again when it got fixed...

Styling for me is a bit.... eh.
Musk has done well with his Model S, X, 3 and soon to be Y for which the later is expected to exceed the popular Model 3 and likely be one of the most popular cars in the world.

Musk has changed the personal transport industry, forever, killing the hopes of the ultra green movement that cars had no future and PT was the way to go because cars burn petrol. I think most people would agree without Tesla, almost no one would be driving or thinking of driving an EV now. He forced the hands of govts, the established auto industry and changed the way we look at personal transport.

He does all this, then he brings out this monstrosity. This thing should be a "special vehicles" version on his Comparable to F-150 EV for the American redneck preppers.

Why does a 4x4 need Armour glass?

The Delorian only became popular after it was long out of production and they made a very popular series of movies.
Ford market the Hybrid F150 to rednecks as a truck with an onboard inverter rather than a more fuel efficient truck.

I am an EV car liker, but for all appearences this will be an uphill battle.
speedemon08
I was referring more to the F-150 EV.


What was wrong with something like this? I'd buy this (if I was in the market for a large 4x4 and EV was ok), not the cyber truck.

  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I watched the video of it driving onto the stage and the wheel looked fine. I think its something to do with the angle if it has rear independent suspension. Anyway the actual cars they often use in these demo's is often nothing more than a skin on a rolling chassis, somethings not even the actual car with power train.
RTT_Rules
No, it was sticking out at an angle that suggested it was about to fall off. The fact that it managed to drive up there without falling off is beside the point. And it was the second major thing to go wrong; you don't see Ford or Toyota rolling out cars to the media that have major faults in them like that - the car clearly wasn't ready.
Billionaires investing money into science, its their money. In the mean time there are literally 10,000's of jobs been generated. Yep, obviously they are doing it wrong.
RTT_Rules
I think you would have loved living on an estate in the feudal times -

EDIT: At least Bill Gates is spending his money on something practical; trying to eliminate the effluent problem in the developing world; that project will ultimately save millions of people from disease and death. Richard Branson in particular is an appalling hypocrite; sending rich people into low-level orbit like its a carnival ride all the while lecturing Australia for selling coal? Stop wasting resources on your fancy projects and I'll listen to you.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I watched the video of it driving onto the stage and the wheel looked fine. I think its something to do with the angle if it has rear independent suspension. Anyway the actual cars they often use in these demo's is often nothing more than a skin on a rolling chassis, somethings not even the actual car with power train.
No, it was sticking out at an angle that suggested it was about to fall off. The fact that it managed to drive up there without falling off is beside the point. And it was the second major thing to go wrong; you don't see Ford or Toyota rolling out cars to the media that have major faults in them like that - the car clearly wasn't ready.
Billionaires investing money into science, its their money. In the mean time there are literally 10,000's of jobs been generated. Yep, obviously they are doing it wrong.
I think you would have loved living on an estate in the feudal times -

EDIT: At least Bill Gates is spending his money on something practical; trying to eliminate the effluent problem in the developing world; that project will ultimately save millions of people from disease and death. Richard Branson in particular is an appalling hypocrite; sending rich people into low-level orbit like its a carnival ride all the while lecturing Australia for selling coal? Stop wasting resources on your fancy projects and I'll listen to you.
don_dunstan
Eon Musk is a dangerous neo liberalist who hates public transport. The way he is pushing individual transport has no future in the next 20 or so years where autonomous on demand vehicles will be the go. Tesla is not doing financially all that well and may run out of cash shortly. Musk loves spending other peoples money. Due to our low population what may apply in Europe etc will not immediately apply to our special situation. Cars may still exist here until the overseas car companies stop producing conventional cars and then we will have no choice other than to follow the trends in overseas countries. I detest those stupid bully redneck trucks the morons love. What use are they to the average motorist?

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