Qube Workings

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I'm amazed Qube haven't decided to buy new locos for their broad gauge operations, or can't they afford to?
greasyrhys
To buy anything BG would be madness.
The BG for freight is finished - it's just that the government and its cohorts don't realise it.

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  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

OK, I was wrong.

Yes, QUBE did run a broad gauge grain train yesterday. I should have checked the Albion cam before assuming it was going to Nullawil via Bendigo; it started off as a move from McIntyre, then via Sunshine and Ballarat. What would have been seen on the camera was going quite the other way from what I assumed.

My usually impeccable source advised that it ran somewhere north of Wycheproof, returned last night. Was around Tarnagulla at 19:30, not at Ballarat when I left at 22:30. Locos were a G and the VL. Don't know if they plan to run more grain trains.

No idea what ran the other QUBE trains, although I did see B75/B80/S313 and a CFCLA G poking their noses out the front of the GEMCO shed at South Dynon at 18:00 yesterday. Understand the locos each need some TLC; the S might be closest to being fixed.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Yesterday's Tocumwal service had X31,T386,S303,T356,T395 on it. Loco's on hire from Seymour RHC, SSR and Steamrail.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
I'm amazed Qube haven't decided to buy new locos for their broad gauge operations, or can't they afford to?
To buy anything BG would be madness.
The BG for freight is finished - it's just that the government and its cohorts don't realise it.
YM-Mundrabilla
BG freight finished. I don't think so. Six container trains per week to Tocumwal plus 2 grain so far this week.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Great to hear!!!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Realistically there's probably another 10 years of BG freight to Tocumwal and Deni before it goes SG. And Warrnambool, Piangil and Gippsland won't ever be going SG from what I can see.

It justs gets more difficult to operate such services reliably and economically with such a limited pool of locomotive stock. It'll be interesting to see what happens to some of the N class locos when they get retired from Vline service....
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Yesterday's Tocumwal service had X31,T386,S303,T356,T395 on it. Loco's on hire from Seymour RHC, SSR and Steamrail.
emmastreet
How can any operation survive like this?
Quite apart from using perhaps 4 or 5 times the fuel at best they are wearing out 56 cylinders, 5 generators, 5 compressors and 24 traction motors.
All of the foregoing is to do the work of 16/32 cylinders, 1/2 generators, 1/2 compressors and 6/12 traction motors depending on the train load and the need for one or two 'half modern' G or BL class locomotives.
I wish CUBE every success but I cannot see how they can continue on this basis.
What is the normal load for the CUBE Tocumwal services?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Realistically there's probably another 10 years of BG freight to Tocumwal and Deni before it goes SG. And Warrnambool, Piangil and Gippsland won't ever be going SG from what I can see.

It justs gets more difficult to operate such services reliably and economically with such a limited pool of locomotive stock. It'll be interesting to see what happens to some of the N class locos when they get retired from Vline service....
Carnot
This sums up another of the unfortunate, perhaps unintended (but obvious from the outset), results of privatisation and the disadvantages of the BG which was once seen as a barrier to those nasty SG type people encroaching into Victorian local traffics.
Whilst CUBE may have far greater financial resources, operationally on the Tocumwal service they are in the same boat as El Zorro so far as locomotive resources are concerned.

By the time the Goulburn Valley is converted to SG (if ever) the container traffic will have long been lost to road.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
All the more reason for Qube to buy new BG loco's.

I'm told last Tuesday's (21/2) train had over 2,000 tonne when it departed  Mooroopna. It was Qube's biggest train to date. Many more wagons at Mooroopna for Thursday's train. Unfortunately I didn't see it as it departed Mooroopna at 00 30 this morning.
  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
Realistically there's probably another 10 years of BG freight to Tocumwal and Deni before it goes SG. And Warrnambool, Piangil and Gippsland won't ever be going SG from what I can see.

It justs gets more difficult to operate such services reliably and economically with such a limited pool of locomotive stock. It'll be interesting to see what happens to some of the N class locos when they get retired from Vline service....
This sums up another of the unfortunate, perhaps unintended (but obvious from the outset), results of privatisation and the disadvantages of the BG which was once seen as a barrier to those nasty SG type people encroaching into Victorian local traffics.
Whilst CUBE may have far greater financial resources, operationally on the Tocumwal service they are in the same boat as El Zorro so far as locomotive resources are concerned.

By the time the Goulburn Valley is converted to SG (if ever) the container traffic will have long been lost to road.
YM-Mundrabilla
Agree. Again more reason to buy new BG loco's. Qube running 60 year old loco's. Truck operators eagerly awaiting their HPV vehicles.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There is a VL on BG so what is stopping some more VL's being converted?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Realistically there's probably another 10 years of BG freight to Tocumwal and Deni before it goes SG. And Warrnambool, Piangil and Gippsland won't ever be going SG from what I can see.

It justs gets more difficult to operate such services reliably and economically with such a limited pool of locomotive stock. It'll be interesting to see what happens to some of the N class locos when they get retired from Vline service....
This sums up another of the unfortunate, perhaps unintended (but obvious from the outset), results of privatisation and the disadvantages of the BG which was once seen as a barrier to those nasty SG type people encroaching into Victorian local traffics.
Whilst CUBE may have far greater financial resources, operationally on the Tocumwal service they are in the same boat as El Zorro so far as locomotive resources are concerned.

By the time the Goulburn Valley is converted to SG (if ever) the container traffic will have long been lost to road.
YM-Mundrabilla
Unlike El Zorro Qube is a fully integrated logistics company with deep pockets who can afford to ride out the bumps. It would have contracts in place for the Toc freight so will use whatever means it has to to fulfil the contract.

The Murray Basin rail project should free up a fair bit of BG motive power and rolling stock. From August 2017 "Maryborough to Yelta and Ouyen to Murrayville rail lines will be shut for five months to transform and standardise these corridors".

In the meantime we have an unusually good year for Grain and all the stops are being pulled out to get that fantastic crop to port.

BG
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
This here is case in point for why standardisation of these lines should be accelerated.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
This here is case in point for why standardisation of these lines should be accelerated.
james.au

SG on that route would cause issues for V/Line passenger services but might also force v/line to acquire longer distance rollingstock for the service ahead of any other service?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Agree. Again more reason to buy new BG loco's. Qube running 60 year old loco's. Truck operators eagerly awaiting their HPV vehicles.
emmastreet

I'm not a great lover of big business, but I'll back the judgement of QUBE's management over yours any day.

Freight is on rail and you're still whingeing. If it was left up to PN it would be long gone.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think the passenger issues could be sorted out. Let's not let that be the reason for the lines to not go SG.  Perhaps VLine could piggyback on the NSWTrains order to speed up the process (and get some for Albury too).
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
3 BG QUBE trains have ran on 23, 25 & 27th Feb all to Nullawill. Great to see competition
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
3 BG QUBE trains have ran on 23, 25 & 27th Feb all to Nullawill. Great to see competition
cbinyon

I had heard that this week

Any idea of the power?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Or what the rolling stock being used is?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Or what the rolling stock being used is?
james.au
G and VL, and I think it's hauling WGSY grain wagons.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Were these the wagons that were brought in from SA and put on BG bogies?  

If not, where are they and what did they end up doing?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Or what the rolling stock being used is?
G and VL, and I think it's hauling WGSY grain wagons.
Carnot

This would explain the change of motive power on the Paper train.

Destination Geelong?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
James.au.   The wagons are the dark blue, modern fleet.  They wereused by El Zorro previously.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks @Trainplanner.  My knowledge of wagon types is not extensive Wink!

Where have these wagons been used in the period between El Zorro and now?
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
I have seen the consist stabled at Tottenham Yard every morning after the dates listed above. The G has led the VL every time and yes, with the wagons that El Zorro used and I'm pretty sure it's unloaded in Melbourne rather than Geelong.

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