High Capacity Metro Trains (HCMT) Order

 
  res1psaloqu1tur Station Staff

Are all the enabling works, power upgrades etc done yet?

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
According to the news system there is a problem with the trains themselves.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/speculation-grows-over-delays-to-melbournes-2-3b-train-rollout
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Youtube clip from Railways of Doom of the transfer as far as Oakleigh
Youtube

and another from SonicbusterX2000 at Srpingvale
Youtube 2

- neither are my video

Neil
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The only specific problem I’ve heard rumours of, apart from the bulldust Davis was pushing in that story, was bogie cracking on the first unit. I have no idea of the veracity of that claim, but if it is true then it’s a relatively minor problem - bogies can be changed - and, ironically, unrelated to the units being “Chinese crap” as certain commentators have described them, since the bogie frames come from Bendigo.

CRRC are the largest rolling stock manufacturers in the world, so the simple fact is that they won’t be supplying trains that don’t work.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The only specific problem I’ve heard rumours of, apart from the bulldust Davis was pushing in that story, was bogie cracking on the first unit. I have no idea of the veracity of that claim, but if it is true then it’s a relatively minor problem - bogies can be changed - and, ironically, unrelated to the units being “Chinese crap” as certain commentators have described them, since the bogie frames come from Bendigo.

CRRC are the largest rolling stock manufacturers in the world, so the simple fact is that they won’t be supplying trains that don’t work.
potatoinmymouth

The bogie designs come from the Chinese engineers. Bendigo just builds them to their spec.
The last design drawings I saw had just as much Chinese as English on them.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
they won’t be supplying trains that don’t work.    
pimm
Rumour mill suggests that they've had some quite significant setbacks with certain aspects of the build quality that have caused a few dramas. If the rumours are indeed true then its nothing insurmountable but they probably shouldn't have occurred in the first place either. It will all come out in public eventually.
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
I guess it will look good if it ever hits the tracks....

https://pakenham.starcommunity.com.au/news/2019-05-17/aboriginal-artwork-to-cover-new-train/?fbclid=IwAR1mEPQfYSoNLHL91Y2VqXUwFK8JJRjrsFWJRYMpe5qvnq-NfbkCSAGY9OE
The first new high capacity train to hit the tracks will also be the Melbourne’s longest moving canvas, with artworks by local Aboriginal artists and collectives shortlisted to cover the state-of-the-art train.


Four Victorian First Peoples artists and collectives are in the running to create a unique artwork for the first High Capacity Metro Train (HCMT), which will start running on the Cranbourne and Pakenham lines this year.
The shortlisted artists are Wurundjeri woman Mandy Nicholson from Hampton Park, Kirrae Whurrong woman Fiona Clarke from Warrnambool, Boon Wurrung man Adam Magennis from Mornington, and a Ballarat-based mob of three Koori men, Pitcha Makin Fellas, who belong to different language groups.
One of the designs features colourful clock faces to demonstrate the rich history of Aboriginal people while others use symbols to represent iconic Melbourne landmarks such as the MCG, different layers of Wurundjeri Country, and the many cultures of the Kulin Nations.
Each artist boasts a rich catalogue of work – including working on Commonwealth Games and White Night Melbourne – and have demonstrated they can produce vibrant, high quality and unique designs that will work on the train’s 160-metre-long canvas.
The winning design will be selected later this month by a panel featuring representatives from Victorian First Peoples communities, before a full-scale design suitable for the first train is developed and commissioned.
“We’re delighted to celebrate the cultures and histories of Victoria’s Aboriginal community by showcasing local Aboriginal artwork on the first of Melbourne’s new bigger, better trains,” Minister for Public Transport Melissa Horne said.
“These new trains will carry more passengers with every trip and support more services right across the network.”

- Pakenham Gazette
  NR61 Station Staff

I don't think this belongs here but I guess it actually does since it concerns the HCMT.

This may or may not be true but according to a forum poster in the train driving thread over at Whirlpool, Metro has received so many applications that they've instead gone down the route of calling all traineeship applicants (2019) to Pakenham East in the next two weeks and give all trainees the keys to an HCMT set for 5 minutes to drive the train around the test track and successful applicants will be selected in how quick they pick up driving skills.

I'm one of the May 2019 traineeship applicants.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I don't think this belongs here but I guess it actually does since it concerns the HCMT.

This may or may not be true but according to a forum poster in the train driving thread over at Whirlpool, Metro has received so many applications that they've instead gone down the route of calling all traineeship applicants (2019) to Pakenham East in the next two weeks and give all trainees the keys to an HCMT set for 5 minutes to drive the train around the test track and successful applicants will be selected in how quick they pick up driving skills.

I'm one of the May 2019 traineeship applicants.
NR61

Uh huh. And the failures can then head out to Tullamarine to try out a Qantas A380.
  loopy Locomotive Driver

I'm putting this comment in this thread cuz I think it's related to this the most


Last night after 9pm Frankston, Cranbourne, Pakenham line trains terminated at Richmond [yes Richmond] not going towards Flinders Street. I went on a P7 train towards Flinders Street and saw workers sitting in their directors chairs [as they do] not really doing anything. At first, in order to reverse trains I thought they'd go into the Caulfield Loop to Parliament to reverse there


I think it only went as far as the portal ramp, then reversed back up the ramp into P4/P6, not even to the separation track


Also, Williamstown trains were originating at Southern Cross P12 [not Werribee, buses Newport to Werribee] due to the 2 storey substation being built there
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Also, Williamstown trains were originating at Southern Cross P12 [not Werribee, buses Newport to Werribee] due to the 2 storey substation being built there
loopy
Where is "there" - Williamstown, Werribee, Newport or Southern Cross?
  loopy Locomotive Driver

Whoops, meant to say the double substation being built near Southern Cross. The Cross City tracks were shut down last night
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

I'm putting this comment in this thread cuz I think it's related to this the most


Last night after 9pm Frankston, Cranbourne, Pakenham line trains terminated at Richmond [yes Richmond] not going towards Flinders Street. I went on a P7 train towards Flinders Street and saw workers sitting in their directors chairs [as they do] not really doing anything. At first, in order to reverse trains I thought they'd go into the Caulfield Loop to Parliament to reverse there


I think it only went as far as the portal ramp, then reversed back up the ramp into P4/P6, not even to the separation track


Also, Williamstown trains were originating at Southern Cross P12 [not Werribee, buses Newport to Werribee] due to the 2 storey substation being built there
loopy
Hello All,

the signalling system in the Underground Loop does NOT allow for trains to reverse direction at an Underground station. Reversal can only occur on the Jolimont end ramps, as both the Southern Cross and North Melbourne ramps are too short to allow for a reversal. The signalling system detects a train's direction, and once detected, the Loop cannot be turned around until the Loop is clear of trains.

Regards, Radioman.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Video was briefly on the Department YouTube channel of E01 undergoing “slow speed dynamic testing”. It’s been taken down, presumably until the Premier’s media goons decide the time is right.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Video was briefly on the Department YouTube channel of E01 undergoing “slow speed dynamic testing”. It’s been taken down, presumably until the Premier’s media goons decide the time is right.
potatoinmymouth
You mean media goon:
  NR61 Station Staff

We're the trains tested yesterday/all weekend? Happened to drive past the depot on the way to Warragul and back yesterday and it was empty.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Time is ticking away on this one.  Kind of like the extended silence from Jacinta after the Mildura line was standardized last year....
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
There was one in the depot today
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Transfer ex Newport Thursday night. Usual consist.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

The Age is reporting they are officially late with teething problems being discovered once testing began at PED. 5 sets have so far been delivered. Mainline testing to begin end of July, this is being touted as “optimistic”

On a side note, someone with a longer memory than mine might point out some of the teething problems previous fleets have had. I know that the Xtraps had issues. Semens had a breaking saga. Not sure what problems the Comengs encountered when they first landed in Melbourne.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

The Age is reporting they are officially late with teething problems being discovered once testing began at PED. 5 sets have so far been delivered. Mainline testing to begin end of July, this is being touted as “optimistic”

On a side note, someone with a longer memory than mine might point out some of the teething problems previous fleets have had. I know that the Xtraps had issues. Semens had a breaking saga. Not sure what problems the Comengs encountered when they first landed in Melbourne.
Lockie91
From memory Comengs had problems with wearing out rails from the wheels, the curves on the approach to Richmond on the Burnley line come to mind.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Also of note are the donations made to the ALP by the winning bidder over Bombardier and Alstom 2 companies with extensive experience in Victoria.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
On a side note, someone with a longer memory than mine might point out some of the teething problems previous fleets have had. I know that the Xtraps had issues. Semens had a breaking saga. Not sure what problems the Comengs encountered when they first landed in Melbourne.
Lockie91
Siemens had a problem with pulling up. Semens have a problem with pulling out.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Age is reporting they are officially late with teething problems being discovered once testing began at PED. 5 sets have so far been delivered. Mainline testing to begin end of July, this is being touted as “optimistic”

On a side note, someone with a longer memory than mine might point out some of the teething problems previous fleets have had. I know that the Xtraps had issues. Semens had a breaking saga. Not sure what problems the Comengs encountered when they first landed in Melbourne.
From memory Comengs had problems with wearing out rails from the wheels, the curves on the approach to Richmond on the Burnley line come to mind.
trainbrain
Hitachis were made slightly too long so they had to extend every single platform across the network. They also had to grind back platforms in some places (eg West Richmond) because the carriages were longer than the previous Harris and Tait trains and almost hit the platform edge on curves.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
The Age is reporting they are officially late with teething problems being discovered once testing began at PED. 5 sets have so far been delivered. Mainline testing to begin end of July, this is being touted as “optimistic”

On a side note, someone with a longer memory than mine might point out some of the teething problems previous fleets have had. I know that the Xtraps had issues. Semens had a breaking saga. Not sure what problems the Comengs encountered when they first landed in Melbourne.
From memory Comengs had problems with wearing out rails from the wheels, the curves on the approach to Richmond on the Burnley line come to mind.
Hitachis were made slightly too long so they had to extend every single platform across the network. They also had to grind back platforms in some places (eg West Richmond) because the carriages were longer than the previous Harris and Tait trains and almost hit the platform edge on curves.
don_dunstan
Don's comments reminded me that, as long as I remember correctly, the Comeng's presented the same sort of problem, except in their case someone ignored the rolling stock gauge and made them just that little bit too wide, which required more cutting back of platform faces before they could be used across the whole network

Neil

Neil

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