Re Opening & Upgrading Maryborough - Avoca - Ararat

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Half the wagons were dragged out by loco in 2011. I understand the rest were lifted out by crane and transferred by semi earlier this year.

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why did they need to do that?  Problems with getting the other half out?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
No train has used The Maryborough line out of Ararat yard for some time, Its very overgrown In places, plus well weathered bulks at at least 2 places coming out of Ararat.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Why did they need to do that?  Problems with getting the other half out?
james.au
Probably because the bearings on the wagons were or thought to have seized due to lack of use.

Rick
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Per PTV website

From Monday 9 January 2017, grain wagons on the Maryborough to Ararat rail line will be relocated via crane and trucks. Relocation of wagons is expected to be complete by Friday 13 January 2017.

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/projects/rail-projects/murray-basin-rail-project

Im a bit confused, what did the XR and G go and get?
james.au
They made a number of trips about five years ago to retrieve several stored wheat wagons, they are at least a couple of you tube videos showing their retrieval.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Saw a number of these wagons in service in Cootamundra just recently.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Im puzzled as to why seemingly usable (based on Trainplanners post) SG rolling stock wasn't redeployed elsewhere instead of stored on an unused section of track for so long.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
I think basically PN had for quite a few years been playing hardball on freight rates and we had the 10 year drought, combined with AWB/Graincorp and more recently other grain handlers moving to acquiring their own grain wagons and basically engaging train operators under hook and pull arrangements.

Things have changed radically.   We have a bumper harvest, there are now a range of grain handling productivity measures making grain on rail very competitive.  In NSW the progressive upgrading of the regional rail network is able to accommodate larger grain wagons such as those PN inherited from Freight Australia and ARTC has also permitted increased axleload trains on their network as well.

Notwithstanding the bumper harvest rail's market share of grain haulage has definitely been climbing.   Even though you can never say what will happen going foreward, it does look like PN is taking a more longer term perspective around grain haulage.   We see Class 82 locos regularly in grain haulage now.  I recently saw a PN grain set in NSW that definitely had, had considerable maintenance beyond what I'd call just running maintenance.   The aluminium bodies etc had all been cleaned, overhauled bogies etc.

So in summary the relatively new high capacity ex Freight Australia grain hoppers would fit into this new environment very well for PN and of course could return to Victoria as the network gets gauge converted.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Per PTV website

From Monday 9 January 2017, grain wagons on the Maryborough to Ararat rail line will be relocated via crane and trucks. Relocation of wagons is expected to be complete by Friday 13 January 2017.

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/projects/rail-projects/murray-basin-rail-project

Im a bit confused, what did the XR and G go and get?
They made a number of trips about five years ago to retrieve several stored wheat wagons, they are at least a couple of you tube videos showing their retrieval.
trainbrain
Here's a couple of links,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo1aDc7PT2Q



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA0zEVaHLdQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVX2Hv1KZyE

Enjoy,

BigShunter.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
What I'm hoping to see is increased competition on the new SG lines Vic and PN lose its strangle hold of it's perceived monopoly.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
There is footage from the Stawell railcams at a guess been posted on facebook showing the 100 tonners being moved, to Murtoa according to the comments associated with the post.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
4836 and 852 working a ballast train east of Avoca this afternoon.

8030 and GML10 have returned to Ararat yard.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Ok, as this line slowly comes together, I was wondering what the maintenance program should or would be for a line that is based on concrete and virtually re-built.

How does this ( the maintenance of ) compare to the other lines that are a mix of reasonable sleepers to rather dilapidated, one would think this will be a very nice riding stretch of track for quite some time, not having a huge amount of traffic or extremely heavy axle load.

Actually what is the maintenance program for the regional lines or are they only repaired when necessary.  

BigShunter.
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

Maintenance? Program? What?

I think we used to have something like that; must have been in my earlier days, around 40 years ago. They do more important things these days, like re-painting trains, new corporate offices, etc. Doubt any cash left for frivolities.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I traveled from Ararat to Maryborough today.

Ballast train stabled In Ararat yard (GML10, 8044 & 8030)

Ballast has been spread out to about Hopkins River Road

Rail welding Is up about Woodlands Road (though a new level crossing accessing Western Quarries Quarry Is yet to have rails laid through their access road)

Concrete sleepers laid out to Elmhurst (a few small sections still to be laid, like level crossings)

Two large ballast stock piles at Elmhurst

The embankment crossing the Wimmera River (Elmhurst) looks like It's getting rebuilt (culvert replacement ?)

The Pyrenees Highway level crossing East of Elmhurst has had a new track panel Installed.

Concrete sleepers have been laid In the section between the Pyrenees Highway level crossing and Ararat - Lexton Road

The level crossing at Amphitheater - Lexton Road has had a new track panel Installed.

Preparations are In place to rebuild the Pyrenees Highway level crossing through Amphitheater.

Homebush Road level crossing at Avoca has had a new track panel Installed.

Ballast train stabled at Avoca Station, along with a large ballast stock pile.

Ballast, rails and sleepers laid out from Avoca to about Gordon Road.

Ballast stock pile established at Bung Bong ballast siding (unsure If the siding will be restored, probably just load trains on the mainline)

Concrete sleepers laid out from the Pyrenees Highway level crossing at Moonlight Flat towards Derby Road.

Maryborough, a new gauge splitter has been Installed at the junction next to the old flour mill, this Is the same design of gauge splitter that was Installed In 1996 and removed about 5 years ago, this must be just a stop gap measure to get standard gauge trains up and running.
Have they worked out their track design for Maryborough through to Ballarat East ?

The North end of Maryborough yard there Is a stock pile of concrete turnout bearers to rebuild this turnout.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for a great update.

Bung Bung Ballast Siding could be useful to ARTC as this would be the only Ballast Siding on SG between the Western border and Melbourne?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
It sounds like the occupation will be going past the mid-December timeframe that was originally envisaged though?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Thanks for a great update.

Bung Bung Ballast Siding could be useful to ARTC as this would be the only Ballast Siding on SG between the Western border and Melbourne?
bevans
Given that "Western Quarries" at Dunneworthy (established 2015) has marketed It's self as a major quarry products suppler In the region for major projects In road, rail, wind farms, etc.

Western Quarries could easily deliver railway ballast to Ararat Railway Yard.

There Is no operating quarry at Bung Bong.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
ARTC most certainly expressed extremely strong interest for accessing a Quarry (i'm not sure which one), on the Ararat to Maryborough Line to source high quality ballast which our colleague woodford will tell you has and is a significant challenge for ARTC .   To that extent ARTC wanted the access between Ararat Yard to the Maryborough Line retained for both is need and to ensure network capability should there be a need for grain or other movements off the Mildura Line to head west.

It is understood the Project Director for Murray Basin canned this which I in my view is incredibly short sighted as it even enabled the new junction arrangements to act as a triangle for turning trains or locomotives in the event of major disruption etc.

We have all witnessed blinded thinking like this sadly.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
A patently a siding could be built Into Western Quarries (Danneworthy) mine site.

Surely ARTC could arrange for a turnout to be Installed to form an Ararat triangle, It will all be a low speed operating area.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Why did they need to do that?  Problems with getting the other half out?
Probably because the bearings on the wagons were or thought to have seized due to lack of use.

Rick
RustyRick
We did some Roller Bearing stock movement at Newport on Saturday. Rolling stock with these bearings need to be moved every so often to ensure lubrication and to prevent flat spotting. The time period allowed between these movements varies apperantly from operator to operator (the senior Steamrail guy with me said he had heard everything from 1 day to 1 year!). In the case of Steamrail they have settled on every 3 months.

He said that this rule was brought in following an accident where a wagon which has been stored for some time was pressed back into service and failed causing the derailment of the train with disasterous consequences.

So if some of those wagons had been left and not moved for a long period they may have been red carded and not allowed to be run due to risk of failure.

BG
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A patently a siding could be built Into Western Quarries (Danneworthy) mine site.

Surely ARTC could arrange for a turnout to be Installed to form an Ararat triangle, It will all be a low speed operating area.
Nightfire
I heard on the grapevine that there was a stoush between ARTC and Victrack-V/Line over signalling arrangements and who would cough up the cash to install and run it.

I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong) that in the short-term trains from Maryborough will have to run-around in the Pyrenees Loop until the new shortcut is complete. (It's just surveyor pegs in the ground at present)

It's all a bit of a joke when the Murray Basin Rail Project is being funded 50/50 State and Federal Govts....
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
A patently a siding could be built Into Western Quarries (Danneworthy) mine site.

Surely ARTC could arrange for a turnout to be Installed to form an Ararat triangle, It will all be a low speed operating area.
I heard on the grapevine that there was a stoush between ARTC and Victrack-V/Line over signalling arrangements and who would cough up the cash to install and run it.

I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong) that in the short-term trains from Maryborough will have to run-around in the Pyrenees Loop until the new shortcut is complete. (It's just surveyor pegs in the ground at present)

It's all a bit of a joke when the Murray Basin Rail Project is being funded 50/50 State and Federal Govts....
Carnot
I was going to say it would all be about the cash.  

And yes it seems weird, but the Federal investment isnt coming through ARTC so it may as well be another organisation alltogether.

Finally, the V/Line vs ARTC signalling demon strikes again....!
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Also @ Carnot - your post seems to suggest that it is going to be built sooner rather than later?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
A patently a siding could be built Into Western Quarries (Danneworthy) mine site.

Surely ARTC could arrange for a turnout to be Installed to form an Ararat triangle, It will all be a low speed operating area.
Nightfire

is the quarry adjacent to the rail line between Ararat and Maryborough and if so then why not build the siding when the works are underway now?

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