Rosie Batty views on the Sanaya Sahib murder

 
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
This incident has really touched me throughout this week in a way which has compelled me to think more about our society and how we judge. Rosie Batty has been very vocal about domestic and family violence herself a victim in some respects. As a result she was made Australian of the year but for what reason?  She has no formal education in violence or psychology, no training in counselling or advising governments and law makers on what is really important about dealing with family violence as a national issue.

Despite having no qualifications she has been incredibly vocal and some may say damning of males painting a picture that violence is all one sided.  She has made statements about how every male school child should have mandatory education on respecting women or females.  

Now we have a terribly upsetting incident with a mother sadly inflicting death onto a child.  I would like to hear what Rosie Batty has to say about this incident and what we do next?

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  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
*SNIP*

 I would like to hear what Rosie Batty has to say about this incident and what we do next?
NSWGR8022
She will stay quiet as it does not play into her agenda.

Like we all should on this case, We can't poison the well here.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
This incident has really touched me throughout this week in a way which has compelled me to think more about our society and how we judge. Rosie Batty has been very vocal about domestic and family violence herself a victim in some respects. As a result she was made Australian of the year but for what reason?  She has no formal education in violence or psychology, no training in counselling or advising governments and law makers on what is really important about dealing with family violence as a national issue.

Despite having no qualifications she has been incredibly vocal and some may say damning of males painting a picture that violence is all one sided.  She has made statements about how every male school child should have mandatory education on respecting women or females.  

Now we have a terribly upsetting incident with a mother sadly inflicting death onto a child.  I would like to hear what Rosie Batty has to say about this incident and what we do next?
NSWGR8022

Why is Rosie Batty suddenly the answer to all society’s ills.


And are you denying that there is a serious domestic violence problem in Australia?


Nice to see the Railpage Misogynist Forum is now in session.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Yes, so touched you felt obliged to go on line and imply that somebody whose child was beaten to death is a hypocrite. Odds on she's as horrified by the story as you are, but she probably won't be jumping on hobby forums to use the story to slag somebody off.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Rosie Batty deserves some credit. Admittedly, she has no formal qualifications, but so what? She had experience of domestic violence, and hung in there talking, demonstrating and keeping going, finally forcing people in authority to really take notice. Domestic violence has been swept under the carpet for decades, and it needed action. Batty has done all she can to force governments to act.
I don't think she should be vilified for having not yet said anything about Sanaya Sahib. Perhaps she's smart enough to realise that the matter is now sub judice, and comment is inappropriate.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The people behind Rosie batty have used her case to highlight the ills of domestic and family violence which is important. Googling some articles will
Show her view sadly is violence is a male thing which I don't believe to be true. There would be many crimes on men which would largely go unreported.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
PLEASE NOTE:

I have  changed the title of this thread, since it  is NOT about the murder, but all about Rosie Batty.
I do wonder why the choice of title when the target was not the murder, and resulting in this disjointed  discussion. There is nothing to split, and basically a new thread could be created for the original topic.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Well said, dthead!
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Many aspects to this sad story which have not been adequately discussed in the media one aspect is the blight once again on the African community. why would the mother seek to denigrate the African community by stating the man was of African appearance shoeless and smelt of alcohol ?

I am upset for the African community leaders.

The mother who must by way of her behaviour have issues we can't all begin to understand. What would cause a mother to murder her own child ? This in itself cause myself and wife sadness that anyone would do that but also find themselves on a position where this was planned. So sad.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Show her view sadly is violence is a male thing which I don't believe to be true. There would be many crimes on men which would largely go unreported.
freightgate
The last stats I remember being reported on the issue of child abuse inflicted by parents said that 56% was inflicted by parents was by mothers and 44% by fathers. That's greater than a 5:4 ratio.

The mother who must by way of her behaviour have issues we can't all begin to understand. What would cause a mother to murder her own child ? This in itself cause myself and wife sadness that anyone would do that but also find themselves on a position where this was planned. So sad.
freightgate
I agree, any parent has to have something seriously wrong with them to murder their child

I recall that the difference in murders of children is even more pronounced than with the general rate of child abuse by parents. Men in western societies have had it ingrained in them that it's their role to be their family's protector and defender, the challenge will be how to educate women on that responsibility without diminishing the responsibility already shouldered by men in that area.
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

I know little of Rosie Batty but it would appear that she is experienced in ways that would be difficult to comprehend for many of the public.
I have little to no faith in a lot of people with "formal qualifications". You can't be taught "experience".
Whist not related to this subject, in the workforce I have met many "experts" with "formal qualifications" that I wouldn't trust to competently butter my toast.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Rosie Batty's appointment on Australia Day saw the only moment when I thought the award could have been better given to a sports person, normally a dismay at sports people being given such awards.

I was having dinner with my lawyer when she and I saw the story of baby Sanaya for the first time. I heard the mum's description of the African in black pants, black hoodie, no shoes, smelling of 'intoxicated liquor' etc and just laughed and said arrest the parents, that's the worst fake description I have ever heard. She didn't think I was right, but I was even more sure when the body was found, how stupid could the mother have been? Clearly she's not rational.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Rosie Batty's appointment on Australia Day saw the only moment when I thought the award could have been better given to a sports person, normally a dismay at sports people being given such awards.

I was having dinner with my lawyer when she and I saw the story of baby Sanaya for the first time. I heard the mum's description of the African in black pants, black hoodie, no shoes, smelling of 'intoxicated liquor' etc and just laughed and said arrest the parents, that's the worst fake description I have ever heard. She didn't think I was right, but I was even more sure when the body was found, how stupid could the mother have been? Clearly she's not rational.
Aaron
perhaps time for a better lawyer?Smile
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The last stats I remember being reported on the issue of child abuse inflicted by parents said that 56% was inflicted by parents was by mothers and 44% by fathers. That's greater than a 5:4 ratio.
justapassenger

This is an interesting statistic but not surprising to me anyhow.  Mothers would spend in most cases more time with the child or children than the Father. Unfortunately there are others in the community with deeper agenda's who would not want to see or hear of the above statistic.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
was having dinner with my lawyer when she and I saw the story of baby Sanaya for the first time. I heard the mum's description of the African in black pants, black hoodie, no shoes, smelling of 'intoxicated liquor' etc and just laughed and said arrest the parents, that's the worst fake description I have ever heard. She didn't think I was right, but I was even more sure when the body was found, how stupid could the mother have been? Clearly she's not rational.
"Aaron"


I'm with Aaron on this one. I was with my sons and daughters-in-law, and as soon as we heard the description of the alleged abductor, I reckoned there was a distinct odour of fish.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
was having dinner with my lawyer when she and I saw the story of baby Sanaya for the first time. I heard the mum's description of the African in black pants, black hoodie, no shoes, smelling of 'intoxicated liquor' etc and just laughed and said arrest the parents, that's the worst fake description I have ever heard. She didn't think I was right, but I was even more sure when the body was found, how stupid could the mother have been? Clearly she's not rational.


I'm with Aaron on this one. I was with my sons and daughters-in-law, and as soon as we heard the description of the alleged abductor, I reckoned there was a distinct odour of fish.
Valvegear
I agree.
I said to the YMs at the time that's rubbish but the mother was rational enough to play on the community prejudice relating to African, male, no shoes, alcohol, druggie image.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm with Aaron on this one. I was with my sons and daughters-in-law, and as soon as we heard the description of the alleged abductor, I reckoned there was a distinct odour of fish.
I agree.
I said to the YMs at the time that's rubbish but the mother was rational enough to play on the community prejudice relating to African, male, no shoes, alcohol, druggie image.
YM-Mundrabilla
Spot on. My flatmate called it straight away as soon as the news broke. It was all too stereotyped - just like that woman in the United States who drowned her children by driving into a lake and said a black man did it. And why would anyone (intoxicated, black, shoe-less, Martian or whatever) bother snatching a baby from a pram only to drown it in the Darbin Creek? Made no sense at all.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The sob stories have started. She doesn't have to face court, PMT, PTSD, father kicked her cat, blah blah, sob sob, deprived childhood etc etc.
Poor little kid is better without her, tragically sad as that is.Sad
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I picked it too!

As for her mental state? I don't share that ratbag radio (60 Minutes Rolling Eyes ) certainty to play judge, jury and executioner Mad
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
theanimal, she's a very fine lawyer, the body wasn't found then, and she's new to the defense side of criminal law, so she naturally advocates against suspicion.

Anyway, the alleged perpetrating woman (guess we should still remain under our 'alleged' blanket for the moment still) stuffed up big time by mixing up her racist stereotypes. If I be as racist I can and think of an intoxicated black person with no shoes, 'African' is not what I get, that's the classic racist stereotype for aboriginal.

The mother is going to be in a world of pain soon enough, because she reported the abduction of her child she was not granted a suppression on her identity as she would have been afforded if the baby was just found, and the death was investigated like a 'more typical' murder. Mum is now identified as a baby killer, she will live the rest of her life in fear of retribution - and I would not have it any other way.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Aaron, Aus. Aborigines are just a dark white, NOT Blacks. Often they are rather similar to a dark white like some Indians.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Mum is now identified as a baby killer, she will live the rest of her life in fear of retribution
Aaron

She'll likely spend her sentence in protection, which is actually worse than normal prison because you're not permitted to do the full range of things that other prisoners can.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
...Mum is now identified as a baby killer, she will live the rest of her life in fear of retribution - and I would not have it any other way.
Aaron
I don't know what state of mind you have to be in to kill your child this way. However I am closely associated with people who deal with new mums and what despair sometimes drives them to do. Sad

No Aaron, I'll save my outrage for blokes that use their kids as footballs (when they're not microwaving babies) or mothers that pimp out their daughters to the latest boyfriend. Mad
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I would be equally outraged at those people too, but this woman killed a baby, HER OWN BABY, she doesn't deserve to be free of that crime ever.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
I would be equally outraged at those people too, but this woman killed a baby, HER OWN BABY, she doesn't deserve to be free of that crime ever.
Aaron

Exactly my thoughts on the matter.

Why do ANYONE believe this crime is acceptable in any context?  If Rosie Batty was serious about her views about Family Violence why not come out and say something about the incident aiding in our understanding that she is not one sided and heavily critical of men, but also critical of females when they are to blame.

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