Baxter Electrification

 
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet

Matthew Guy has yesterday announced he will match the Andrews Government plan to push electrification to Baxter. This is a me too statement so no real news there. Pity he did not take it further and complete the job to Stoney Point.

From what I can see in the proposal, it obviously includes electrification and duplication; however, it looks like Leawarra is being rebuilt and renamed to Frankston East, and a new station at Langwarrin. It would be good (from what I can see) if they build an extra station at Karingal, immidiately South of Karingal Hub.

That's right across the Peninsula Link bridge from where they're talking about putting Langwarrin.  Seems a bit overkill to have both.  

Karingal is basically local streets and housing there, not designed for any traffic at all.
Langwarrin would be near several major intersections.
lkernan
or where it previously was

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  drunkill Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do this, then branch the line at Leawarra, run a train up the median of Eastlink to Ringwood.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria

Matthew Guy has yesterday announced he will match the Andrews Government plan to push electrification to Baxter. This is a me too statement so no real news there. Pity he did not take it further and complete the job to Stoney Point.

From what I can see in the proposal, it obviously includes electrification and duplication; however, it looks like Leawarra is being rebuilt and renamed to Frankston East, and a new station at Langwarrin. It would be good (from what I can see) if they build an extra station at Karingal, immidiately South of Karingal Hub.

That's right across the Peninsula Link bridge from where they're talking about putting Langwarrin.  Seems a bit overkill to have both.  

Karingal is basically local streets and housing there, not designed for any traffic at all.
Langwarrin would be near several major intersections.
or where it previously was
Dangersdan707
If this proposal goes ahead ; whichever party is in Government ;What happens to the remainder of the line to Stony Point ?
Wouldn`t it make sense to electrify it also , keep it as single track and extend say every second train right through ?
The population on the Peninsula is expanding and to rebuild a line that already is in service  is  surely retrograde . why not be Pro-active for once ?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I tend to agree Crossover, we will be left with a ludicrous 23km diesel shuttle service. The temptation if it is not electrified now will be to close it, and that's obviously not an acceptable solution.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

A new station at Frankston East will improve access to Frankston Hospital for patients and families as well as health professionals, .............
M Guy
The usual pre-election hype. From the map, Frankston East appears to be in the same location as the current Leawarra (2 km from Frankston). This would put Frankston Hospital equi-distant between Frankston and Frankston East stations, that is about 1 km of walking from either, hardly a distance that will appeal to the infirm. If patients are not using Frankston now they are unlikely to use Frankston East in the future.

The proposed Langwarrin station appears to be in the middle of nowhere and at least 200m from houses on the other side of the Mornington Peninsula Freeway. It would be better if it were moved 1 km closer to Frankston East, amongst existing housing, and provision made for a station 2 km north of Baxter if and when the area develops.
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

to serve Frankston Hospital and Monash Frankston Campus ( former Frankston Teachers College ) the Frankston East station would be located near Clarendon St on the up side of Moorooduc Highway ( Melways Map 100A H10 ). It would likely mean the closure of Clarendon St Level Crossing to accomodate the platform/s. ( This is a very low use road, I have only ever seen one car use it on one occasion over the last decade.)

Regards, Radioman.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
( This is a very low use road, I have only ever seen one car use it on one occasion over the last decade.)
Radioman

Wait, you were watching me?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I tend to agree Crossover, we will be left with a ludicrous 23km diesel shuttle service. The temptation if it is not electrified now will be to close it, and that's obviously not an acceptable solution.
potatoinmymouth

Has been discussed here about the need to complete the project once and for all intents. Guy could have completed this electrification to Stony Point easily.

Now as mentioned we have a stupid situation with an orphaned diesel service for 23 kilometres and residents on the downside of Baxter thinking they are second class passengers.
  gary george Beginner

Just reinventing the wheel, liberal government proposed to electrify this line in early 70,s
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Just reinventing the wheel, liberal government proposed to electrify this line in early 70,s
gary george

That is something I did not know.

Slight OT but is the ROW further south of Bittern still available for relaying if required?
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
what will this mean for the Stony Point Line?? those sprinters need something to do
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Just reinventing the wheel, liberal government proposed to electrify this line in early 70,s

That is something I did not know.

Slight OT but is the ROW further south of Bittern still available for relaying if required?
x31
No
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Line should be retained to Stony Point, as a shuttle or electricfty the whole Line at once and be done with it.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Line should be retained to Stony Point, as a shuttle or electricfty the whole Line at once and be done with it.
trainbrain


The problem is I don’t think either of those investments is justifiable.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I tend to agree Crossover, we will be left with a ludicrous 23km diesel shuttle service. The temptation if it is not electrified now will be to close it, and that's obviously not an acceptable solution.

Has been discussed here about the need to complete the project once and for all intents. Guy could have completed this electrification to Stony Point easily.

Now as mentioned we have a stupid situation with an orphaned diesel service for 23 kilometres and residents on the downside of Baxter thinking they are second class passengers.
x31
Why electrify to Stony Point? Sorry it should stay a Diesel Island or Bustituted.

Michael
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Now as mentioned we have a stupid situation with an orphaned diesel service for 23 kilometres and residents on the downside of Baxter thinking they are second class passengers.
x31
What makes them second class? They have a rail service, many other Victorians don't.

Oh, it's because they are diesel served? By Sprinters?

There are plenty of folks on the other side of Melbourne (y'know, in the western suburbs) closer to the CBD putting up with A66 and an H set. If they are lucky enough and V/Line has one actually working they might get an N Class - maybe even in the new Violet Crumble livery to really brighten up their day!

Get over it, they have a rail service. There are far more important things to spend taxpayer $$$ on than electrifying past Baxter.

And the way the real estate market is heading in Vic those taxpayer (read stamp duty) $$$ might be about to get a lot harder to come by.

BG
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
It makes no sense whatsoever to isolate the line with a diesel service which needs to be refuelled and maintained outside of the area it is working in.  The most simply way would be to spend the $30m extra to build the 23 additional kilometres as a single line from Baxter.

The Electorate of Dunkley is liberal held and is an area with high housing growth.
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
surely it wouldn't be too hard to electrify the entire line (and no, I won't pay for it Valvegear)
  footscrazy Station Master

$30M to electrify 23km of single line seems awfully cheap, where did you get that figure from?  

If it is only $30M, I’d say electrify it.
So long as it operates as a shuttle only and has no impact on the main section of the Baxter (née Frankston) line
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
It us usually around $1m per kilometre with no track changes.  Let's remember the Baxter works include the dual track works.  This required twice the poles as one is required either side of the dual line.

The single track working would not require anywhere near the steel or build a dual track network would have except at sidings etc.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Now as mentioned we have a stupid situation with an orphaned diesel service for 23 kilometres and residents on the downside of Baxter thinking they are second class passengers.
What makes them second class? They have a rail service, many other Victorians don't.

Oh, it's because they are diesel served? By Sprinters?

There are plenty of folks on the other side of Melbourne (y'know, in the western suburbs) closer to the CBD putting up with A66 and an H set. If they are lucky enough and V/Line has one actually working they might get an N Class - maybe even in the new Violet Crumble livery to really brighten up their day!

Get over it, they have a rail service. There are far more important things to spend taxpayer $$$ on than electrifying past Baxter.

And the way the real estate market is heading in Vic those taxpayer (read stamp duty) $$$ might be about to get a lot harder to come by.

BG
BrentonGolding
I totally agree BG. Suburbs like Ardeer, Deer Park and Caroline Springs would have a greater population in a dozen streets than places like Stony Point and Bittern. The Melton line needs to be Electrified first. If it were up to me the Stony Point line would get a Railcar converted from two old Trams and run as a Heritage Railway shuttle between Baxter and Stony Point

Michael
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
We don't even need to join two trams, just get the two withdrawn B1s complete with the platform-height step units and put them to the light rail use they were designed for (if Yarra Trams hasn't already had them turned into cat food tins), with a little diesel generator sitting on the roof giving out 600V to save on overhead wires. As a bonus, the line even becomes standard gauge to make sure no-one ever speaks of suburban electrification to Stony Point again! Laughing
  Supersnazz Beginner

Does anyone have any official information about the proposed new stations? I know some people have suggested Clarendon St which means it could serve both Frankston Hospital and Monash Uni, but then it wouldn't be close to either. I have heard other proposals to have a Frankston Hospital station as well as a Monash station, but then they would be very close unless the Hospital station was put near the current tennis club (where the hospital is expanding too) with short foot bridge over Hasting Rd to access the hospital, and Monash station built near the hockey field.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Welcome to Railpage.  I wonder if any serious consideration has been given to adding both stations rather than just the one which in the face of the previous post must be worth a look?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
If the Frankston Hospital station started just Down of the curve (i.e near Yuille St) and the existing Leawarra Station (which serves theMonash Uni campus) was upgraded and not moved then there'd be about a kilometre between the stations. It's not an ideal distance between stations as they'd have an overlapping walkshed but it'd still be economical given the size of each trip generator and the benefits for the many mobility-impaired passengers who would likely use the Frankston Hospital station.

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