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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
This was a rare time when I found myself in agreement with what Andrew Bolt had to say on the issue: It's high time we stopped showing respect for people's invisible sky fairies when they cause harm.
don_dunstan
I'm all for a war on the Catholics!

No guilt there Razz

Shouldn't Christianity sort out it's problems first before picking on other religions?

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Gee, a closeted gay Muslim shoots up a gay club and half the people here want to wage war on Catholics in response.....

Scapegoating much!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
This was a rare time when I found myself in agreement with what Andrew Bolt had to say on the issue: It's high time we stopped showing respect for people's invisible sky fairies when they cause harm.
I'm all for a war on the Catholics!

No guilt there Razz

Shouldn't Christianity sort out it's problems first before picking on other religions?
bingley hall
They should all be treated the same. And we have to start somewhere - why not start with removing the exemption that religious organisations have from the Discrimination Act? Sorry, we can't employ you in our tax-exempt (sometimes taxpayer funded) not-for-profit because our invisible sky fairy says you're evil and sinful.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

This was a rare time when I found myself in agreement with what Andrew Bolt had to say on the issue: It's high time we stopped showing respect for people's invisible sky fairies when they cause harm.
I'm all for a war on the Catholics!

No guilt there Razz

Shouldn't Christianity sort out it's problems first before picking on other religions?
They should all be treated the same. And we have to start somewhere - why not start with removing the exemption that religious organisations have from the Discrimination Act? Sorry, we can't employ you in our tax-exempt (sometimes taxpayer funded) not-for-profit because our invisible sky fairy says you're evil and sinful.
don_dunstan
Hypocritical for political organisations to impose that given that they require members to stick to party rules and ethics.  That kind of government imposed interference is quite frankly Stalinist.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Hypocritical for political organisations to impose that given that they require members to stick to party rules and ethics.  That kind of government imposed interference is quite frankly Stalinist.
Carnot
If I kicked you out of my political party because you are gay then that would contravene the Act but if I told you I couldn't employ you in my government-funded church school because you are gay then that's perfectly allowed. It was actually Julia Gillard who permitted religious organisations to be exempt from the same rules that apply to every other organisation/club/whatever.

Special invisible sky fairy exemption from reality... even the Labor Party is frightened of her (and she's not even real!).
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
They should all be treated the same. And we have to start somewhere - why not start with removing the exemption that religious organisations have from the Discrimination Act? Sorry, we can't employ you in our tax-exempt (sometimes taxpayer funded) not-for-profit because our invisible sky fairy says you're evil and sinful.
don_dunstan
Agree with removing tax exemptions. Why should the taxpayer support any organisation that discriminates so opening a person because they were born with a vagina?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's unconstitutional to force religious organisations to go against their practices and have open membership to anyone and anybody.  Section 116 of the Australian Constitution:
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
You don't need the fundie bit of the religion for the anti homosexual beliefs, it's almost at the religion's core. All religions need to be anti gay for the same reason, gay people, try as they might, cannot produce a subsequent generation of children to indoctrinate. Without the indoctrination from a young age religions will crumble.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don't read that Constitutional section as you do Carnot, we have free right to exercise religion, but I don't believe that section was ever intended to give 'religion' as it were - the body corporate organisation, the right to freely do what religion likes. The Constitution is there to protect and represent people, the people are free to excercise their religious rights, people including LGBT etc (for what reason they want to I remain unsure) the Constitituon ought not be read to protect and allow the corporation that is organised religion from the same anti discrimination laws applied to other corporations.

What we need as a society is a strong voice to demand of our government taxation of the corporate profits of religion (that is income over expenditure - which includes allowing for charitable deductions against income) and the removal of religion's anti discrimination status. Amend or enact these acts and religion fight it through the High Court. The Constitution can be changed if required - I think balance in society required for that change is shifting rapidly, if the balance isn't there yet, it's getting really close.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Agree with removing tax exemptions. Why should the taxpayer support any organisation that discriminates so opening a person because they were born with a vagina?
RTT_Rules
Nick Xenophon came up with some very reasonable proposals a few years ago for a Charities Commission overseen by the ATO to enforce rules that religions needed to abide by in order to maintain tax-exempt status - primarily aimed at organisations such as The Church of Scientology and Exclusive Brethren but Tones wouldn't have a bar of it. Are you starting to see now why most of us don't want him back?
It's unconstitutional to force religious organisations to go against their practices and have open membership to anyone and anybody.
Carnot
You can certainly do whatever you like in the exclusive Church of the Sky Fairy club behind closed doors but the legal challenge was actually regarding access to both tax-exemption and government grants to schools while simultaneously being allowed discriminate against gays. Gillard changed the law to protect the Church of the Invisible Sky Fairy because she was frightened of possible repercussions from the all-powerful Sky Fairy... well, actually the people who attend her many churches, mosques and synagogues.

I don't have a problem with what the Invisible Sky Fairy followers do in private but there's no doubt in my mind that they should not have tax-exempt status on their activities, nor be in receipt of government grants while they practice hatred towards others. It's the twenty-first century - it's high time the Invisible Sky Fairy people caught up with the rest of us.
Without the indoctrination from a young age religions will crumble.
Well said. It's the use of taxpayer money for their schools, youth programs and other "outreach" activities that I find repugnant - why should the rest of us pay for them to be able to perpetuate their hatred for others?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don't understand why I have to be polite to and uncritical of the religious, I don't understand why faith is to be so respected. Religion is almost always a bad thing because it discourages free thought, and attempts to offer answers where there are none, religion is divisive and hence dangerous.

This guy's religion might be irrelevant to his decision to shoot up the club, he might have done it purely out of hate and bigotry toward the gays, he might have done it out of a strange dislike in himself for his own perceived 'incorrect proclivity' - his actions just might be due to these things not his religion. What is more likely, and he is dead so it's hardly a topic for cross examination, but the balance of probability is that his religion helped him towards the idea behind his actions.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Here's a neat present day American/Australian example of religious bigotry, partially funded by secular US tax concessions...

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/creationist-ken-ham-makes-unmarried-noahs-ark-employees-sign-chastity-vows-before-hiring-them/
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Not only religious bigotry, but plain stupidity. Anyone who believes in Creationism is certifiably off his trolley. This Ken Ham guy is not only that, but is also an obvious minder of other people's business.  
But; it's the good ol' US of A and folks will turn up and think he's wonderful. . . there's always room for people who can't think critically for themselves.
  antiussentiment Locomotive Driver

Location: perth
antiussentiment, you really experience seems to be at odds with the experience of two of my friends (and their friends) that have lived most of their lives in Iran.....
Aaron
I was in Mashad commissioning a large POS system developed here in WA.  My comment was more about the general population rather than the political machinations.  Who are among the friendliest and and most easy going I've come across.

Your story is sad and disturbing.  But in the weeks I was there, nobody I came across seemed very bothered with bureaucracy stamping on their freedoms.  Point in fact;  I was told satellite dishes were illegal.  But the vast majority of the houses in Mashad had them. I also expected to find a population of repressed women.  Other than having to cover their hair, nothing much else seemed different from home.  Indeed the vast majority of cashiers I trained were divorcees who needed an independent income.



We are always very quick to point a finger from our own glass house where;
If I'm a doctor working in one of our concentration camps and report pedophile activity to the media, I risk 5 figure fines and goal.
One woman a week dies at the violent hands of her bloke.
A cop who was abusive to me, then "lost" his head cam footage last November. Got off, as the investigating sgt did not want to accept the evidence of the two passengers in my vehicle.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The saddest part of meeting my Iranian friend was that she introduced herself as being 'from Persia' I remember questioning that, and asking if she meant Iran. She reckoned she didn't tell people she was from Iran because then they didn't like her... I remember it worrying me that she had to do that, but moreso because it worried me that she was implying most Australians didn't realise she was talking about the same country - that's the kind of error in geography I expect purely from insular Americans!
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I work with an Iranian guy, and he is one of the nicest blokes you'd ever meet. He's just become a father for the first time so he now has two nicknames; "Dad" and "The Shah". He's happy with either because, fortunately, he understands that if we didn't like him we wouldn't bother.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
What goes around, comes around. It cuts both ways.

That said if someone means to do harm why give a sh#t what their race, colour or creed is Mad

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