6029 Wollongong shuttles CANCELLED

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Just posted on Facebook....

We are very sorry to report that we have had to cancel the Wollongong Shuttles planned for this weekend and the Nowra Shuttles planned for the 8th and 9th October.

We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused. We were unable to obtain what the railways call a 'TOC Waiver' which is essentially a permission to run on the Sydney trains network. This 'TOC Waiver' comes from the Asset Standards Authority for NSW Transport and due to unknown reasons they were unable to provide this to us on time.

Sydney Trains have been brilliant in supporting us from the network planners through to Station Staff and Track Workers. Asset Standards Authority is not part of Sydney Trains but is a body of Transport for NSW. We will plan to bring Beyer-

Garratt 6029 to the Illawarra in 2017. Over the coming days we will be issuing refunds to all passengers.
Somebody

For once I'm not joking when I say "It's an outrage!" Evil or Very Mad

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
A stellar performance by the Department of Bloody-Minded Obstructionism.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Just posted on Facebook....

We are very sorry to report that we have had to cancel the Wollongong Shuttles planned for this weekend and the Nowra Shuttles planned for the 8th and 9th October.

We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused. We were unable to obtain what the railways call a 'TOC Waiver' which is essentially a permission to run on the Sydney trains network. This 'TOC Waiver' comes from the Asset Standards Authority for NSW Transport and due to unknown reasons they were unable to provide this to us on time.

Sydney Trains have been brilliant in supporting us from the network planners through to Station Staff and Track Workers. Asset Standards Authority is not part of Sydney Trains but is a body of Transport for NSW. We will plan to bring Beyer-

Garratt 6029 to the Illawarra in 2017. Over the coming days we will be issuing refunds to all passengers.

For once I'm not joking when I say "It's an outrage!" Evil or Very Mad
bingley hall
It does provide the opportunity to run a service from Canberra to Goulburn in conjunction with the "Streamliner" event over the long weekend, using only John Holland and ARTC track.......

How did the Garratt get to and from Maitland during Steamfest?

It had to use quite a lot of Sydney Trains track for that...

There must have been a TOC waiver in place then. What's changed?

M636C
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A stellar performance by the Department of Bloody-Minded Obstructionism.
Valvegear

Complaints are most welcome send to info@asa.transport.nsw.gov.au
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Thanks Mr Whoever-You-Are. Hope you have a smeg of a long weekend, too.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Oh really, as another poster has said, how did it get to Maitland then without using Sydney Trains track for some of it, digusting!!!
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Lets look back at this and try to understand if there might actually be a valid reason.

What was the TOC Waiver actually for?  What was being applied to be waived?

Are the tunnels on that length an issue, particularly those north of Kiama that have electricity running through them?

Yes its disappointing, but there must be more of a reason.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Lets look back at this and try to understand if there might actually be a valid reason.

What was the TOC Waiver actually for?  What was being applied to be waived?

Are the tunnels on that length an issue, particularly those north of Kiama that have electricity running through them?

Yes its disappointing, but there must be more of a reason.
james.au
Yes, but for "unknown reasons" it wasn't issued.  Could not they say what the issue/s was/were?  Why can't the reasons be divulged?  Is it a national security issue?  Was there a terrorist plot to derail the garratt inside a tunnel and block this important rail artery?

Happy skulduggery,

John
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thats another issue, though i do also agree, the reason could have been provided.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I just think it's Red Tape gone mad, surely the good folk at ARHS A.C.T would have given Railcorp/Sydney Trains documentation of the Tour at least 2 months in advance, why do the rusty old cogs of Govt take so long to approve, I just fail to comprehend it !!!

Kind Regards
  stopblock Junior Train Controller

Location: Planet Earth
How did the Garratt get to and from Maitland during Steamfest?

It had to use quite a lot of Sydney Trains track for that...

There must have been a TOC waiver in place then. What's changed?

M636C
That was done on an earlier TOC waiver that had expired (waivers have a time limit and conditions).

See this site for current TOC waivers:
http://www.asa.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/123

For your information of an example, find below the link for the LVR 59 (and 32) Class TOC waiver (updated just in time for the 59 Class Richmond shuttles to take place - speed limit updates in the table shown in RED) - Whew!!!:
http://www.asa.transport.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/asa/asa-standards/tocwaivers/tw-203-469.pdf

Canberra ARHS had applied for a new 6029 TOC waiver for the Wollongong and Nowra shuttles, but for some reason, it just did not happen in time.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Lets look back at this and try to understand if there might actually be a valid reason.

What was the TOC Waiver actually for?  What was being applied to be waived?

Are the tunnels on that length an issue, particularly those north of Kiama that have electricity running through them?

Yes its disappointing, but there must be more of a reason.
Yes, but for "unknown reasons" it wasn't issued.  Could not they say what the issue/s was/were?  Why can't the reasons be divulged?  Is it a national security issue?  Was there a terrorist plot to derail the garratt inside a tunnel and block this important rail artery?

Happy skulduggery,

John
c3526blue
And tunnel issues would have been known well in advance.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Apparently ASA got their smeg together mid afternoon Wednesday, but too late to avoid cancellation of the specials.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Apparently ASA got their smeg together mid afternoon Wednesday, but too late to avoid cancellation of the specials.
bingley hall

I managed to pen a small email to the address Smile
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Another example of public servants who do not seem to understand that they are there to serve the public.
  Just The Tip Junior Train Controller

Location: Danger zone
What if the original request paperwork was not submitted in enough time for a thorough investigation?
There are processes for all submissions. Why prioritise this one over others?
Maybe safety concerns were raised and had to be considered before approval?

I can't believe gunzels are writing an email of complaint when they have nothing to do with the process. Seriously?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
What if the original request paperwork was not submitted in enough time for a thorough investigation?

There are processes for all submissions. Why prioritise this one over others?
Just The Tip
Do you seriously believe that a group that was so brilliantly organised that it could do a superb restoration on 6029, is disorganised enough to be late with paperwork for a trip?  Pig's ear they are!
And; what sort of "thorough investigation" do you mean - where the tracks are? . . .what they're made from? . . . where the stations are? . . . where the tunnels are?. . .what the words "loading gauge" mean? . . . where the bl00dy South Coast is ? ?  ?
It is so easy that it should take minutes.
NSW is particularly good at assisting special and heritage train operations, and this hang-up is amazing.
  Just The Tip Junior Train Controller

Location: Danger zone
What if the original request paperwork was not submitted in enough time for a thorough investigation?

There are processes for all submissions. Why prioritise this one over others?
Do you seriously believe that a group that was so brilliantly organised that it could do a superb restoration on 6029, is disorganised enough to be late with paperwork for a trip?  Pig's ear they are!
And; what sort of "thorough investigation" do you mean - where the tracks are? . . .what they're made from? . . . where the stations are? . . . where the tunnels are?. . .what the words "loading gauge" mean? . . . where the bl00dy South Coast is ? ?  ?
It is so easy that it should take minutes.
NSW is particularly good at assisting special and heritage train operations, and this hang-up is amazing.
Valvegear
I'm not saying I am right, but I'm not saying that I am wrong either, just a suggestion from another perspective. It's disappointing that this has happened, but we don't know the full story. You'd be surprised how often this occurs - with Commercial, Maintenance and Heritage Operators.
I assume it came down to a safety concern that they weren't prepared to sign off on without further research. If you think it is as simple as looking at a map it shows how out of touch you are with regulatory bodies these days.

A bunch of overly excited train enthusiasts sending emails isn't going to help the relations between Heritage Operators and the Regulators.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I assume it came down to a safety concern that they weren't prepared to sign off on without further research.
"Just The Tip"
And upon what evidence do you base this idea? None whatever I would suggest. It may have escaped your knowledge but 6029 has travelled far and wide with no alarms since it took to the steels again. How or why do you believe that the organisers stuffed up on this occasion?
And, just to put your mind at rest, I have had decades of experience in the preservation of railways in Victoria, and am well aware of regulatory requirements. So are the Canberra people.
You can be an apologist for the public service if you wish - experience convinces me that I'm not.
  Just The Tip Junior Train Controller

Location: Danger zone
I assume it came down to a safety concern that they weren't prepared to sign off on without further research.
And upon what evidence do you base this idea? None whatever I would suggest. It may have escaped your knowledge but 6029 has travelled far and wide with no alarms since it took to the steels again. How or why do you believe that the organisers stuffed up on this occasion?
And, just to put your mind at rest, I have had decades of experience in the preservation of railways in Victoria, and am well aware of regulatory requirements. So are the Canberra people.
You can be an apologist for the public service if you wish - experience convinces me that I'm not.
Valvegear
And what evidence do you have to suggest that it wasn't the case?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
And what evidence do you have to suggest that it wasn't the case?
"just The Tip"
Ah! The oldest one in the book; "I've made a claim, now it's up to you to prove me wrong." Don't try that one sonny boy; its the last resort of the man who knows he has no case. You made the suggestion - so put up or shut up.
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
I assume it came down to a safety concern that they weren't prepared to sign off on without further research.
And upon what evidence do you base this idea? None whatever I would suggest. It may have escaped your knowledge but 6029 has travelled far and wide with no alarms since it took to the steels again. How or why do you believe that the organisers stuffed up on this occasion?
And, just to put your mind at rest, I have had decades of experience in the preservation of railways in Victoria, and am well aware of regulatory requirements. So are the Canberra people.
You can be an apologist for the public service if you wish - experience convinces me that I'm not.
Valvegear
Do you know why the promoted tour to Vic and SA didn't eventuate in 2015? Just wondering, I never heard why it didn't happen.
  randomnarwhal Locomotive Driver

Do you know why the promoted tour to Vic and SA didn't eventuate in 2015? Just wondering, I never heard why it didn't happen.
simont141
I think the reason given was that there were still a few teething issues, and the crews weren't quite familiar enough with it yet.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
This is very reminiscent of a Cancellation of the running of a Rail Motor between Katoomba and either Mt Victoria/Lithgow a few years ago.
From memory the organisers were sent an email about 8pm on the Friday night advising them they had been refused permission to operate over the weekend as had been organised.
I dont remember if any reason was given at the time or later for the cancellation nor why it was done so late and by an email and not to the organisers personally.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
A question I still don't understand, why was a waiver being applied for in the first place?  Why are they not compliant?

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