Distributed Power coal train on the Toowoomba Range

 
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Aurizon is running its first Distributed Power coal train down the Toowoomba Range to Fisherman Islands today. It departed the Cambey Downs coal mine near Chinchilla this morning with two 2300Ds leading, 22 hoppers, a 2300D in DP and another 41 hoppers. Grossing just under 4000-tonnes this is the heaviest train to run on the Western Line and will be the heaviest narrow gauge train through the Brisbane suburban system. The train reached Toowoomba just before 12.30pm and will reach Brisbane late this afternoon.

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  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

I'm hearing the trial has been terminated at Helidon due to heat restrictions.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm hearing the trial has been terminated at Helidon due to heat restrictions.
Sulla1
Its barely 32C?
  coachdriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Rocky
Aurizon is running its first Distributed Power coal train down the Toowoomba Range
Sulla1
I'm pretty sure the first distributed power train was run before the year 2000.  I think around about 1998.
  firefox Station Master

Aurizon is running its first Distributed Power coal train down the Toowoomba Range
I'm pretty sure the first distributed power train was run before the year 2000.  I think around about 1998.
coachdriver
A bit before that. How about the first Locotrol test train to Towoomba and back over 10-11 April 1972 as 2111 - 23 empty G wagons - 2110 - LRC - 11 empty G wagons - brakevan.
  coachdriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Rocky
Aurizon is running its first Distributed Power coal train down the Toowoomba Range
I'm pretty sure the first distributed power train was run before the year 2000.  I think around about 1998.
A bit before that. How about the first Locotrol test train to Towoomba and back over 10-11 April 1972 as 2111 - 23 empty G wagons - 2110 - LRC - 11 empty G wagons - brakevan.
firefox
I meant test, as in revenue train, to the mines and back.  Not just a joyride up and down the range.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
They were not done by Aurizon though were they?
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

They were not done by Aurizon though were they?
james.au
Aurizon didn't exist then.  QR made QR national in 2005. QR national was sold in 2010.  QR national was then rebranded as aurizon in 2012.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
My point exactly Wink
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
My point exactly Wink
"james.au"



So its quite plasable that the same drivers in different shirts drove both.

For all intensive purposes, the same organisation.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Yes i am being pedantic.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

I've got to admit I have no recollection of a DP trial on the Toowoomba Range during the late 1990s or 2000s. I am pretty sure at that time the only diesels fitted for DP were a couple of 2150s and the 4000s, neither of which were permitted to run to Toowoomba. The earlier locotrol equipment had been decommissioned by then. This current trial has been a couple of years in development and negotiation with QR.
  buds1984 Station Master

So does anyone know if the train made it past Helidon?

Or if it was broken up?
  coachdriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Rocky
I've got to admit I have no recollection of a DP trial on the Toowoomba Range during the late 1990s or 2000s. I am pretty sure at that time the only diesels fitted for DP were a couple of 2150s and the 4000s, neither of which were permitted to run to Toowoomba. The earlier locotrol equipment had been decommissioned by then. This current trial has been a couple of years in development and negotiation with QR.
Sulla1
I'm pretty sure the locos were 2160 and 2162.  These were fitted with the GEHarris EAB/DP system for testing before the introduction of the 4000's.  2161 and 2163 had the Wabtec system fitted.

It might have been after 2000 but I thought it was earlier.
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

Surprised its not a common occurance.  But i suppose the main issues regarding coal trains here are going down the range, not up.  And the congestion from rosewood to corinda which they make worse by never using the freight only line on the western line
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Surprised its not a common occurance.  But i suppose the main issues regarding coal trains here are going down the range, not up.  And the congestion from rosewood to corinda which they make worse by never using the freight only line on the western line
tazzer96
If the Rosewood to Interstate connection was actually completed the bulk of the suburban conflicts outside peak would evaporate.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Congestion is really only an issue between Darra and Ipswich, and putting more tonnes in each coal train should constrain that congestion worsening with more trains.
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
Congestion is really only an issue between Darra and Ipswich, and putting more tonnes in each coal train should constrain that congestion worsening with more trains.
Sulla1
Since they have on occasion put as many as five non passenger movement through between Ipswich and Corinda where is the congestion.  They have the capacity for six such movements plus the timetabled passenger services at the present time.
The larger trains for the coal movements would be restricted by the length of the crossing loops on the single line between Helidon and Oakey.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Aurizon is running its first Distributed Power coal train down the Toowoomba Range
I'm pretty sure the first distributed power train was run before the year 2000.  I think around about 1998.
A bit before that. How about the first Locotrol test train to Towoomba and back over 10-11 April 1972 as 2111 - 23 empty G wagons - 2110 - LRC - 11 empty G wagons - brakevan.
firefox
I'm surprised that 2111 would be fitted for Locotrol operation so early.

It's a long time ago (more than 44 years) but I recall Locotrol trials on the Central Division in 1972 with 1550 as the lead unit.

1550 was the heaviest locomotive that could run on the Central Line with a full tank.

Of course, in those days you had to only partly fill the fuel tanks of 2100s because they were only allowed to run at full load on the Goonyella line (and the Moura Short line but they didn't run there in those days). I'd imagine they were being very careful with fuel during the Toowoomba Range tests in those days.

Even earlier, I remember a tour to Toowoomba with 2100. Not only was the fuel limited, they had removed the dynamic brake unit and replaced it with a blank cover painted blue.

M636C
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

"Since they have on occasion put as many as five non passenger movement through between Ipswich and Corinda where is the congestion.  They have the capacity for six such movements plus the timetabled passenger services at the present time.
The larger trains for the coal movements would be restricted by the length of the crossing loops on the single line between Helidon and Oakey"
I was commenting on the suburban capacity, the double track between Darra and Ipswich is the busiest section of double track on the Western Line, east of Darra additional tracks provide additional capacity and west of Ipswich there are fewer trains. The crossing loops west of Helidon and the use of DTC west of Willowburn are additional issues the proposed Rosewood-Bromelton connection can't fix.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The larger trains for the coal movements would be restricted by the length of the crossing loops on the single line between Helidon and Oakey.
Mufreight
Not quite, they only need longer loops if these longer trains are to cross each other, if there is say just 1 set in the fleet only this would not be a problem. If there are 2 or more sets they just need to be timetabled such they do not pass each other on single track sections, which I'm sure could be managed for 2-3 sets with no issue.
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

Surprised its not a common occurance.  But i suppose the main issues regarding coal trains here are going down the range, not up.  And the congestion from rosewood to corinda which they make worse by never using the freight only line on the western line
If the Rosewood to Interstate connection was actually completed the bulk of the suburban conflicts outside peak would evaporate.
RTT_Rules
Thats not going to happen before the Gowrie - grandchester is rebuilt, and in which will likely have more conflicts due to far higher passenger train speeds.

They just need to fix the quad between corinda to darra, have track amplification west of darra and have an underpass to cross over to the suburbans.  (north strathfield style underpass).   Problem solves
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Another loaded DP trial coal train running today, hopefully this one makes it to Fisherman Islands. Currently descending the range from Toowoomba.
  buds1984 Station Master

No test this weekend?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

There's been continuous testing throughout the week with the DP set, at least two return trips that I'm aware of.

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