Leeds Forge Red Rattler "Pattern" Car

 
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Hi all,

I recently read the book about the original 50 All Steel Red Rattlers that were built at Leeds Forge. The book was titled "Sydney's Suburban Standards - The Leeds Forge Power Cars C3101 - 3150".

It mentions a "Pattern Car" that was assembled at Clyde to help workers assemble the cars, but what happened to it after the production of these cars ceased? Was it converted into a conventional motor car or was it scrapped?

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  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Hi all,

I recently read the book about the original 50 All Steel Red Rattlers that were built at Leeds Forge. The book was titled "Sydney's Suburban Standards - The Leeds Forge Power Cars C3101 - 3150".

It mentions a "Pattern Car" that was assembled at Clyde to help workers assemble the cars, but what happened to it after the production of these cars ceased? Was it converted into a conventional motor car or was it scrapped?
NSWGR_C3813
Entered service like all the cars. Wasn't the pattern car just a fully assembled car imported from the UK, unlike the rest which were imported as kits and assembled here by Clyde Engineering?
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
But what number was it?

I am unsure though if it was fully assembled at the Leeds Forge. Logically speaking, the cars were made in sections to make it easy to ship. If they were to fully assemble one car, wouldn't they have done the same with the rest of the cars?
  M636C Minister for Railways

But what number was it?

I am unsure though if it was fully assembled at the Leeds Forge. Logically speaking, the cars were made in sections to make it easy to ship. If they were to fully assemble one car, wouldn't they have done the same with the rest of the cars?
NSWGR_C3813
"The Coaching Stock of the NSWGR Volume 3" might mention this. I'm not in the same town as my copy now, but the details of the early cars are pretty good.

I would expect that it was more costly to ship a complete car body, which would have to be shipped as deck cargo while the sections could be carried in the hold in the normal way. Special cranes might be needed for an assembled body, adding to the cost.

A single Melbourne "Harris" car was assembled in the UK and shipped out as a guide to the assembly of the others at Newport Workshops, some thirty years after the Leeds Forge car, so the reasons must have still applied.

M636C
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Would you be able to look at your copy? I've read through my copy of The Leeds Forge Cars, but it doesn't mention the aftermath of the pattern car, despite the photographs. According to the book, the pattern car had a motor hatch at the No. 2 driver's end, whereas the other cars didn't. It also said there were no traces of this feature in the production cars. If there was a single trace of this feature on any of the cars, then it is possible that it originated as the pattern car.
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

I do not think the pattern car would have been scrapped
  Phantom47 Locomotive Driver

Location: In The Shire
Coaching Stock Volume 3 p137 gives details of this car.

It was the last car assembled by Carriage Works and numbered EFA 2222 but was never used in steam service. It was the pattern vehicle used by Eveleigh when fitting other cars for electric service. It was ready for service in late 1925 as C3101 and was used in February 1926 to train drivers for the opening of the Illawarra electrification on 1 March 1926. C3101 was part of the first electric train from Mortdale on 1 March 1926.

Hope this helps.

Phantom
  Clyde Goodwin Junior Train Controller

Phantom
Thank you
  NSWGR_C3813 Locomotive Fireman

Location: Banned (beware of cringy posts from 4 years ago)
Ok, so the pattern car is C3101, right?

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