Bendigo-Echuca service indefinitely disrupted

 

News article: Bendigo-Echuca service indefinitely disrupted

A faulty level crossing north of Bendigo has indefinitely disrupted the Bendigo-Echuca rail service.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Where is the minister?

Bendigo-Echuca service indefinitely disrupted

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Where is the minister?
bevans
Have you tried Google?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Where is the minister?
Have you tried Google?
LancedDendrite
Yes, she lives in a town called Denial which I think is near Bendigo but she also has a holiday house in Spring Street, Melbourne.
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

I don't understand the technical aspects of trains but now is it all of a sudden the level crossing is providing on 15 seconds of warning and the entire line must now be shutdown?

This appears to be the way V/line run the passenger services. Too lazy to actually get engineers looking at the problem and instead they must close it all down and get around to it at some point.

The V/line issues are really becoming desperate.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I don't understand the technical aspects of trains but now is it all of a sudden the level crossing is providing on 15 seconds of warning and the entire line must now be shutdown?

This appears to be the way V/line run the passenger services. Too lazy to actually get engineers looking at the problem and instead they must close it all down and get around to it at some point.

The V/line issues are really becoming desperate.
MetroFemme
Yes, VLine seem to love to inconvenience lots of CUSTOMERS in the name of safety when in fact there are other ways to enable trains to run safely.

Line speed is 80 km/h max (Vlocity and Sprinter only, freight is lower still) between Bendigo and North Bendigo Junction and then a whapping 75 from NBJ to Echuca. There are a couple of pax services a day and maybe 1 or 2 freights. Put in a TSR over the crossing in question and get a flagman to travel out there each time a train is expected. At all other times maintain all signals at stop (as they almost definitely do anyway).

But oh, no, the "Vline will never compromise safety" mantra comes out every time and trains are cancelled. They probably wanted to re-deploy the Vlocity units anyway as they seem to be suffering rolling stock shortages on other lines at present!

BG
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Once Echucans realise that the bus service is superior, they won't want their trains back. As already observed this will free up rolling stock.

Win-win.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

In all honesty I hope that the permanent fix to the level crossings also means that line speed is increased to 100+ km/h.

An interesting article in local paper recently:

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/fighting-for-faster-trains-for-echuca
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Once Echucans realise that the bus service is superior, they won't want their trains back. As already observed this will free up rolling stock.

Win-win.
DirtyBallast

The same thing was said when the Bendigo line was closed for 18 months during the RFR works in 2004-05 and that pax would never return to the trains and the buses would be far more popular etc.

Now...whenever there's a bustitution, the buses are cursed like they are poison.

Mike.
  HardWorkingMan Chief Commissioner

Location: Echuca
In all honesty I hope that the permanent fix to the level crossings also means that line speed is increased to 100+ km/h.

An interesting article in local paper recently:
http://www.riverineherald.com.au/2017/03/15/6469/fighting-for-faster-trains-for-echuca
Carnot
at the station today passengers were being told that the line would be 'closed for months'. I thought these crossings were programmable so why months and not a couple of days?
With the millions of dollars spent on the line it would be more logical and cost effective to fix the final issue rather than mothball the line!  They either have to maintain a line that is not in use or spend millions more to fix extra issues when it is reopened to traffic.

It's interesting that these issues don't occur when the deni rice train runs at least one way via Bendigo.  Don't the velocities clean the track well enough on a one train each way each day service leading to faults?

The cynic in me suggests that as the media is complaining about shortened trains and cancelled services in more politically sensitive areas that Vline wanted the set to improve the service there for their political masters
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I have this strange feeling this is all smeg and this is purely to enable rollingstock to be allocated to other parts of the network.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

A woodfprd comment, an opinion piece, you have been warned...................

We are dealing with railway signaling equipment here, one of the reasons it so expensive is its built for VERY high reliabilty, and on installation it has to be independently tested to see if it comes up COMPLETELY to specs. It simply SHOULD NOT change parameters like the change mentioned. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS problem, is this an isolated fault or is it some kind  of design fault the will come up in the future at other sites with the same equipment installed. THe problem simply MUST be investigated. Closing of services is of course a management issue, but in the end only a technically ignorant fool will allow services to continue with such a serious error.

Railway signalling equipment simply should NEVER fail this way.

woodford
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
but in the end only a technically ignorant fool will allow services to continue with such a serious error.

woodford
woodford
That's all well and good Woodford but how much more inconvenience does the travelling public have to endure at the hands of these buffoons? This line was upgraded in 2015 (when the line was closed for months). Why weren't these things done properly in the first place? LX problems have been ongoing on the Echuca line but no-one thought to do anything about it?

http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/3188058/echuca-train-line-upgrade-begins/

You can't just keep cancelling services ad nauseam under the guise of safety. People need to get to work, to doctors appointments, meetings, school, university etc. Many of us made significant lifestyle choices to up and move to regional areas based on the brave new world of RFR, RRL etc. Much of this was Government and Vline driven spin telling us all how great the service was.

Now we cannot rely on these much vaunted services to get us where we need to go people are making new decisions - to move back to the big smoke to at least be able to get to work on time.

I have recently moved from Maldon to Castlemaine, not a big move but a decision driven in a big part by the trains not being reliable enough to meet the connecting busses provided by Mt Alexander Transit.

No one is accountable for this mess, the Government refers you to Vline and Vline just say "we will never compromise safety". It is a pathetic joke, the poor customer is left wondering how much more we have to endure. I have spoken to commuters who travel to Melb 4 or 5 times a week and they say that at the moment they get on a train expecting something to go wrong. The guy I sat next to on the way from SC to Castlemaine on last Tuesday's 17.30 Down Bendigo said "I hope it's better than last night, I got home more than an hour late". And this on an express service.

I have no idea what the fix is but I doubt that anyone in Vline or the government is even working on one. They simply don't care. I think they got caught out by the growth in passenger numbers after the RFR project and are "load shedding" passengers to try and make the system more manageable.

Rant over.

BG
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Once Echucans realise that the bus service is superior, they won't want their trains back. As already observed this will free up rolling stock.

Win-win.

The same thing was said when the Bendigo line was closed for 18 months during the RFR works in 2004-05 and that pax would never return to the trains and the buses would be far more popular etc.

Now...whenever there's a bustitution, the buses are cursed like they are poison.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Anyone that would have said that regarding solid commuter services is mentally deficient. On the other hand, the Echuca passenger service is little more than a tourist railway (my opinion(s)).
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
In all honesty I hope that the permanent fix to the level crossings also means that line speed is increased to 100+ km/h.

An interesting article in local paper recently:
http://www.riverineherald.com.au/2017/03/15/6469/fighting-for-faster-trains-for-echuca
at the station today passengers were being told that the line would be 'closed for months'. I thought these crossings were programmable so why months and not a couple of days?
With the millions of dollars spent on the line it would be more logical and cost effective to fix the final issue rather than mothball the line!  They either have to maintain a line that is not in use or spend millions more to fix extra issues when it is reopened to traffic.

It's interesting that these issues don't occur when the deni rice train runs at least one way via Bendigo.  Don't the velocities clean the track well enough on a one train each way each day service leading to faults?

The cynic in me suggests that as the media is complaining about shortened trains and cancelled services in more politically sensitive areas that Vline wanted the set to improve the service there for their political masters
HardWorkingMan
The Echuca line situated In a safe Nationals electorate answers a lot of questions.

"Look we need more Velocity's sets on the busier runs", "oh look we can poach them off the Echuca run"

(Come up with some unsolvable safety story, piss off a handful of National voters and make loads of Labor voters very happy)
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

On the other hand, the Echuca passenger service is little more than a tourist railway (my opinion(s)).
DirtyBallast


If it was a tourist railway surely the one train a day would leave Melbourne in the morning, and return in the evening. The orientation of the service is for people to get from Echuca to somewhere, and back.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
On the other hand, the Echuca passenger service is little more than a tourist railway (my opinion(s)).


If it was a tourist railway surely the one train a day would leave Melbourne in the morning, and return in the evening. The orientation of the service is for people to get from Echuca to somewhere, and back.
duttonbay

As has been written by several writers over the years, the Echuca service is FAR more than a tourist train. Indeed it could be argued there are more commuters between Echuca and Bendigo than tourists.

IMO V/Line erring on the side of caution, whilst being a pain in the butt for commuters and others is necessary for a safe service.

https://www.vline.com.au/Service-Changes/Planned-Disruptions/Coaches-replace-trains-on-the-Echuca-line

These issues have occurred previously on other lines and have been overcome.. the Echuca line will be no different.

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
These issues have occurred previously on other lines and have been overcome.. the Echuca line will be no different.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Just look up what electorates these effected lines were !

Passenger trains are all about politics !
  woodford Chief Commissioner

These issues have occurred previously on other lines and have been overcome.. the Echuca line will be no different.

Mike.
Just look up what electorates these effected lines were !

Passenger trains are all about politics !
Nightfire

There's more to it than that, the big problem is limited funds for railways so naturally any governemnt of the day will put the funds where it will do the most good for them, they would be stupid to do any thingelse.

As I have stated many times before if we as the tax payers want decent services we DO have to pay the taxes. I am constantly stunned by the apparent number of people INCLUDING ,most journalists that do not seem to under stand this.
Low taxes equal crap services, it always has and will always be this way.

woodford
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
If there was any will to run Echuca services there are plenty of ways to do so.

Can anyone imagine public transport in Victoria in any sort of REAL emergency?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
How many P Class locos and H set cars sit around little used these days ?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

If there was any will to run Echuca services there are plenty of ways to do so.

Can anyone imagine public transport in Victoria in any sort of REAL emergency?
YM-Mundrabilla
As mentioned in another thread, Jacinta Allen is having an ongoing feud with the MP of Murray (Peter Walsh), so Echuca will be treated as an appendix these days.

One question needs to be raised though - why weren't axle counters originally fitted to the level crossings when they were upgraded by the previous LNP government?  Another case of half-baked solutions that don't work as intended?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If there was any will to run Echuca services there are plenty of ways to do so.

Can anyone imagine public transport in Victoria in any sort of REAL emergency?
YM-Mundrabilla

There is no demonstrated urgency in dealing with any rail issues in this state,  Time and time again we have seen poor planning and delivery and post the implementation poor follow-up.  I am really fascinated as to how new crossing works and I am speculating these are new crossing works could fail with this issue.  Engineering flaw?
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

A woodfprd comment, an opinion piece, you have been warned...................

We are dealing with railway signaling equipment here, one of the reasons it so expensive is its built for VERY high reliabilty, and on installation it has to be independently tested to see if it comes up COMPLETELY to specs. It simply SHOULD NOT change parameters like the change mentioned. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS problem, is this an isolated fault or is it some kind  of design fault the will come up in the future at other sites with the same equipment installed. THe problem simply MUST be investigated. Closing of services is of course a management issue, but in the end only a technically ignorant fool will allow services to continue with such a serious error.

Railway signalling equipment simply should NEVER fail this way.

woodford
woodford
There are several locations on the suburban network where speed restrictions have been in place for years because of incorrect timing of level crossings. Why have these lines not been shut down or the problem fixed?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
A woodfprd comment, an opinion piece, you have been warned...................

We are dealing with railway signaling equipment here, one of the reasons it so expensive is its built for VERY high reliabilty, and on installation it has to be independently tested to see if it comes up COMPLETELY to specs. It simply SHOULD NOT change parameters like the change mentioned. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS problem, is this an isolated fault or is it some kind  of design fault the will come up in the future at other sites with the same equipment installed. THe problem simply MUST be investigated. Closing of services is of course a management issue, but in the end only a technically ignorant fool will allow services to continue with such a serious error.

Railway signalling equipment simply should NEVER fail this way.

woodford
There are several locations on the suburban network where speed restrictions have been in place for years because of incorrect timing of level crossings. Why have these lines not been shut down or the problem fixed?
Madjikthise
Simple. Because they don't want to spend the money.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
If there was any will to run Echuca services there are plenty of ways to do so.

Can anyone imagine public transport in Victoria in any sort of REAL emergency?
YM-Mundrabilla

The Echuca service WILL operate...it will be by buses as advised in the V/Line media release until the issue has been resolved.

Mike.

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