Dumb and dumber - weights, measures and language

 
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Sorry for the state election crossover, but today Dan promised some new parks and variously described them as...

  • 6500 hectares
  • 1 Manhattan
  • Vatican City, San Marino and Monaco combined
  • 3000 MCGs (the quintessential)
  • 170 Botanical Gardens

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
It is just plain pathetic and a reflection on the mentality of the bimbos and himbos who write this trash plus the politicians who utter it.

Saw another one the other day somewhere on here (I think) where something or other had the power of 7 x F1 cars.

Being Victoria I assume that they refer to Daniel Riccardo's broken down wreck.
  ngarner Chief Train Controller

Location: Seville
You did; it was someones attempt to describe the power output of the first HMCT.
I did think it was a rather odd way to describe power at the time. Whats wrong with Brake Horsepower or KiloNewtons (I think that's the metric equivalent).

Neil
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

You did; it was someones attempt to describe the power output of the first HMCT.
I did think it was a rather odd way to describe power at the time. Whats wrong with Brake Horsepower or KiloNewtons (I think that's the metric equivalent).

Neil
ngarner
Horsepower is the imperial equivalent of the watt (W), kilowatt (kW) or megawatt (MW).

A newton, or various multiples thereof, is a measure of force or effort.

Correct form for a unit named after a person is to use lower case when writing it in full (watt, newton, tesla etc) and then capitalise when referring to the person itself (James Watt, Isaac Newton, Nikolay Tesla etc). The symbol will be a capital letter though (W, N, T etc).

If then providing a comparison to a well known figure, a normal passenger car would be far more suitable than a F1 car where you'd need to know if it's just the ICE power or ICE plus the MGU-K and MGU-H.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I can’t help but think that the reason these ‘odd’ units of expression are used is because people think that brake horsepower or (shudder) kilonewtons are the better units for power... For practical purposes when dealing with power BHP doesn’t say much, kilonewtons without some other factor doesn’t say anything at all.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I can’t help but think that the reason these ‘odd’ units of expression are used is because people think that brake horsepower or (shudder) kilonewtons are the better units for power... For practical purposes when dealing with power BHP doesn’t say much, kilonewtons without some other factor doesn’t say anything at all.
Aaron
My belief is that they think that 100% of their audience is as dumb as they are.

Any comparison between rail traction and F1 cars is simply ludicrous.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
This thread in some regards proves their point YM, what is more ludicrous, a comparison between things that at least have common dimensional analysis (how ever disparate in magnitude) or a possible comparison via non common dimensional analysis?

If it’s at least a comparison of powers I’ll take that over someone comparing power and force.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
First - the caveat - I'm reporting figures as published by Nine, so if/when they don't compute, please don't go crook at me!

A man has just completed a 157 day, 1,791 mile swim around Britain.
He covered 2,883 km.
He consumed 15,000 calories a day, equivalent to 58 Big Macs.
He used 3 kg of Vaseline.
He swam 3,218 km, which is the equivalent of 64,373 lengths of an Olympic swimming pool.
( and no; I don't know how he covered 2,883 km, but swam 3,218 km).
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Typical of the media today.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
1791 nautical miles...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
1791 nautical miles...
"Aaron"
We may as well chuck in Jules Verne's "5,000 leagues under the sea" - it makes just as much sense as the original.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I hear on the radio this morning (8/11) that something or other was measured in 'hundreds and thousands'. The measurement was later clarified to be 0.5 mm which to my fading memory is about 33% of the size of one 'hundred and thousand'.

Oh well, we're only out by a factor of three or four. Near enough - she'll be right.Rolling Eyes
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
We are now measuring rainfall in 'months' rather than mm.

I heard the other day that a job interview technique was to ask how many table tennis balls would fill a jumbo jet. Don't trifle me whether it was a 747SP, 747-8 or an A380. My answer would be 'lots' - thank God I don't have to put up with ....wit shrinks any longer.

The only shrink test I did years ago included questions such as:

  • 'did you steel oranges from the fruit shop when you were a kid?'
  • 'are you afraid of heights?'
  • plus about 200 similarly irrelevant questions

On the way out I attacked the bimbo shrink sheila running the test asking her how these questions helped me to know the likes of:

  • How long it would take me to get an ABFX from Melbourne to Perth and return?
  • Which end of the train to put the engine on?

Her answer was that 'many of the older railwaymen take that view'. I should have had her for discrimination. Talk about children running the asylum.

Never mind, I enjoy going out of my way posting meaningless crap (like a lot of others on here).

Perhaps I should consider adding the 'Dumb and dumber' thread to my list of topics to which I have voluntarily banned myself from posting.

The list currently stands at:

  1. The Mildura standardisation.
  2. Cheapskate Victorian concrete sleepers.
  3. The use of non gauge convertible concrete sleepers.
  4. The use of unexplained acronyms.
  5. The usage of the English language.

Perhaps I should post a few helpful hints (err home truths) here and there and get myself officially banned.

Evil or Very MadTwisted EvilRolling Eyes
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Perhaps I should post a few helpful hints (err home truths) here and there and get myself officially banned.
YM-Mundrabilla
No, no, no; don't do that. We need good doses of healthy cynicism here.

Apropos shrink tests - I did one years ago as part of a company BS exercise. One question showed a lot of ink blots and we were asked what we saw. My answer was that I saw a number of ink blots commonly used in the Rorshach Test by pysch's et al. I failed that answer, which I guess explains something.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Perhaps I should post a few helpful hints (err home truths) here and there and get myself officially banned.
No, no, no; don't do that. We need good doses of healthy cynicism here.

Apropos shrink tests - I did one years ago as part of a company BS exercise. One question showed a lot of ink blots and we were asked what we saw. My answer was that I saw a number of ink blots commonly used in the Rorshach Test by pysch's et al. I failed that answer, which I guess explains something.
Valvegear
Welcome to Cynics Incorporated Comrade.

Wasn't it Humphrey Appleby who said something like?:

'The amount of work for shrinks increases in proportion to the number of shrinks available' (or was it Social Workers - same thing).


Funny thing, however, when I got the shrink test results, complete with graphs, charts and dot points etc I have to admit it was me as I was generally perceived!

  • Intolerant of fools
  • etc
  • etc

(I wouldn't expect anyone to believe the rest haha Rolling Eyes)

The last heard of the child shrink was that she was managing a McDonald's somewhere but I don't know if that was true. She had certainly left the railways.

I did get the job by the way but it's all a long time ago now! Smile

(58 years ago yesterday (12/12/60) since I joined the industry!)
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Welcome to Cynics Incorporated Comrade.
"YM-Mundrabilla"
Our motto?  "When you smell flowers, look for the funeral."
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Welcome to Cynics Incorporated Comrade.
Our motto?  "When you smell flowers, look for the funeral."
Valvegear
The pessimist is never disappointed.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Expect nothing but lies, corruption, incompetence, spin and deceit  -  you won't be disappointed.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Just when we thought we'd heard or seen it all, up pops Alan Joyce of Qantas saying that Qantas and Jetstar are going to do away with paper Boarding Passes.
"By carrying 50 million passengers a year, we generate 30,000 tonnes of waste, which is equal to eighty 747 Jumbos."
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I agree.

Waste should be measured in A380s.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Oddball story from Asylum-on-Yarra this week, a woman caught speeding claimed her husband must have changed the car over to imperial units.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/on-the-road/melbourne-drivers-bizarre-excuse-for-going-57kmh-over-the-speed-limit/news-story/2040fce5787c038628086c82db660f12


Leaving aside the fact that it's not hard to tell the difference between 85km/h and 137 km/h, how on earth is it legal in Australia for Jeep to sell a car which allows changing to imperial units at the flick of a switch?

Also, I reckon she's lucky to be alive. No way would I be brave enough to drive any car from Jeep that fast.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Oddball story from Asylum-on-Yarra this week, a woman caught speeding claimed her husband must have changed the car over to imperial units.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/on-the-road/melbourne-drivers-bizarre-excuse-for-going-57kmh-over-the-speed-limit/news-story/2040fce5787c038628086c82db660f12


Leaving aside the fact that it's not hard to tell the difference between 85km/h and 137 km/h, how on earth is it legal in Australia for Jeep to sell a car which allows changing to imperial units at the flick of a switch?

Also, I reckon she's lucky to be alive. No way would I be brave enough to drive any car from Jeep that fast.
justapassenger
The speedo display unit ought to be pretty easy for police to verify while the vehicle is in impound.

As for changing what the speedo displays, whilst never quite a 'flick of a switch' in the physical sense, it is often little more than a parameter change via a suitable OBDII device. In modern, (and particularly in cars perceived as 'luxury' - possibly including Jeep) operating with a CAN in the vehicle you might be amazed at the number of relatively simple alterations and level of customisation available through the vehicle's computer.

I agree however that 85mph is a bit faster than I think I would feel comfortable going with a car made from just enough essential parts.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I found it peculiar when driving in the USA on two separate trips, where distances were shown everwhere in miles. I grew up with miles, and was 30-something when we changed to kilometres. I found that I just couldn't relate to miles anymore and had to do quick mental conversions to km to get an understanding of how far I had to go.
However, I think I'd still be able to feel the difference between 85 mph and 85km/h.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Apropos the difference in speeds - years ago 3801 visited Melbourne and ran parallel with R761 from Wodonga.
With the wooden-bodied consist, the "S" circular read "Maximum permissible speed, 80 km/h"
I paced the trains from Longwood to Avenel, and it was 115 to 120 km/h all the way.
The driver of the R was a well known rail historian and steam driver ( sadly, no longer with us) and I was having a yarn with him later. I remarked, "That was a very interesting 80 km/h, Fred!" (name changed). "Oh", he said ingenuously, "was it meant to be kilometres?"
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Introducing the latest SI unit, the 'JumboTonne'.

From https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11399387.htm

""more than 30,000 tonnes of waste. That’s the same weight as about 80 747 jumbos,” Mr Joyce said."

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