Tottenham and storage Yard 2017

 
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Split from a 6 year olf thread :  https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2050724.htm#2050724
Mod




I have heard an unconfirmed suggestion that both areas will be Metro stabling with Tottenham being shared by V/Line.
Rocket
      I know this is a very old thread but I travel through Tottenham yard regularly and for months it appeared totally unused . It featured forlorn groups of rolling stock attracting graffiti whic I must say is an very poor advertisement for the rail industry to present to the public .Have we ever seen a trucking yard full of tagged B-doubles ?
      However lately there has been evidence of more use, Are trains being marshalled there again ?

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I have heard an unconfirmed suggestion that both areas will be Metro stabling with Tottenham being shared by V/Line.
      I know this is a very old thread but I travel through Tottenham yard regularly and for months it appeared totally unused . It featured forlorn groups of rolling stock attracting graffiti whic I must say is an very poor advertisement for the rail industry to present to the public .Have we ever seen a trucking yard full of tagged B-doubles ?
      However lately there has been evidence of more use, Are trains being marshalled there again ?
Crossover
I have noticed this too, rakes of PN steel wagons are stored at Tottenham since the Steel Terminal was closed but also large rakes of both loaded and empty container flats as well as the usual grain rakes. Some container flat rakes look like the Rice Train consist but the other day there was a couple of large loaded consists stabled at the East end of the yard. Is Tottenham multi user now or is it still PN only territory?

BG
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Possibly just getting a bit more use while they're doing track work around Dynon? Seems to be a bit of work going on around there.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
We have two sections of triple track in the east. Using Tottenham rail-yards for off-peak layups would enable more intensive use of those sections.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
We have two sections of triple track in the east. Using Tottenham rail-yards for off-peak layups would enable more intensive use of those sections.
Myrtone
Won't work !
Tottenham yard In not In the right location for access to the MURL (The former Jolimont Yard was In the right location, for the Burnley and Caulfield Groups )
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
We have two sections of triple track in the east. Using Tottenham rail-yards for off-peak layups would enable more intensive use of those sections.
Won't work !
Tottenham yard In not In the right location for access to the MURL (The former Jolimont Yard was In the right location, for the Burnley and Caulfield Groups )
Nightfire
Isn`t West Footscray going to be the Turn Back station fro Melb Metro in the west .?
    It is slated to get a third platform for this purpose .
Would part of the yard be used for stabling as part of this project ?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
 
Isn`t West Footscray going to be the Turn Back station fro Melb Metro in the west .?

It is slated to get a third platform for this purpose .
Would part of the yard be used for stabling as part of this project ?
Crossover
Pretty sure that's the plan.

Not sure how much stabling would be needed ?

Electrification to Melton would most likely supersede the need for this turnback.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
 
Isn`t West Footscray going to be the Turn Back station fro Melb Metro in the west .?

It is slated to get a third platform for this purpose .
Would part of the yard be used for stabling as part of this project ?
Pretty sure that's the plan.

Not sure how much stabling would be needed ?

Electrification to Melton would most likely supersede the need for this turnback.
Nightfire
The point of the West Footscray turnback is to accommodate the imbalance between eastern & western services on Melbourne Metro before Melton electrification is completed. It's essentially a temporary measure.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

 
Isn`t West Footscray going to be the Turn Back station fro Melb Metro in the west .?

It is slated to get a third platform for this purpose .
Would part of the yard be used for stabling as part of this project ?
Pretty sure that's the plan.

Not sure how much stabling would be needed ?

Electrification to Melton would most likely supersede the need for this turnback.
The point of the West Footscray turnback is to accommodate the imbalance between eastern & western services on Melbourne Metro before Melton electrification is completed. It's essentially a temporary measure.
LancedDendrite
But why can't you just open the electrified Melton line at the same time/before Melbourne Metro, 10 years is a long time, Melton can be electrified before there is a need for a turn back. Then don't need to waste money on a temporary solution.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
 
Isn`t West Footscray going to be the Turn Back station fro Melb Metro in the west .?

It is slated to get a third platform for this purpose .
Would part of the yard be used for stabling as part of this project ?
Pretty sure that's the plan.

Not sure how much stabling would be needed ?

Electrification to Melton would most likely supersede the need for this turnback.
The point of the West Footscray turnback is to accommodate the imbalance between eastern & western services on Melbourne Metro before Melton electrification is completed. It's essentially a temporary measure.
But why can't you just open the electrified Melton line at the same time/before Melbourne Metro, 10 years is a long time, Melton can be electrified before there is a need for a turn back. Then don't need to waste money on a temporary solution.
James974
Electrifying to Melton isn't in the scope of Metro Tunnel's works, but ensuring the Day 1 Level of service is. Hence, they are planning on building a new platform at West Footscray. If funding for Melton Electrification is provided so that it will be operational on Day 1 of Metro tunnel services, then I imagine West Footscray will be cancelled.

I expect Melton Electrification to be delivered by the Metro Tunnel Authority anyway, given they're doing the Ballarat Line Upgrade.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Is there any work planned for Tottenham in the immediate future? I ask because this morning the Up end yard was completely empty save for 2 container flats which were being removed by the PN pilot and the Qube grain rake that is often stabled there was at North Dynon.

BG
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Is there any work planned for Tottenham in the immediate future? I ask because this morning the Up end yard was completely empty save for 2 container flats which were being removed by the PN pilot and the Qube grain rake that is often stabled there was at North Dynon.

BG
BrentonGolding

passed there last week seeing several trains laying over in the UP yard.  The down yard needs urgent conversion to Standard Gauge.
  DALEK Locomotive Fireman

According to the WTT, the PN freight trains from  Managatang and Tocumwal both depart Appleton and then arrive at Tottenham where they stay for exactly an hour before departing.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Split from a 6 year olf thread :  https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2050724.htm#2050724
Mod




I have heard an unconfirmed suggestion that both areas will be Metro stabling with Tottenham being shared by V/Line.
      I know this is a very old thread but I travel through Tottenham yard regularly and for months it appeared totally unused . It featured forlorn groups of rolling stock attracting graffiti whic I must say is an very poor advertisement for the rail industry to present to the public .Have we ever seen a trucking yard full of tagged B-doubles ?
      However lately there has been evidence of more use, Are trains being marshalled there again ?
Crossover
            As reported in Railway Digest ( May edition ) most of the sidings in the yard are now booked out of use .
Is the any progress proposals like those mentioned regarding Metro and Vline stabling .
            Aside from the turnback and extra platform to be constructed at West Footscray station this is a very large asset being very underutilised currently
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Huge delivery of concrete sleepers to the yard over the last couple of days. This morning, men, hi-rails and dump trucks clearing the massive piles of old wooden sleepers. I would estimate maybe 20 workers so it looks like some reasonably substantial remediation is about to begin.

I wonder who’s paying?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Huge delivery of concrete sleepers to the yard over the last couple of days. This morning, men, hi-rails and dump trucks clearing the massive piles of old wooden sleepers. I would estimate maybe 20 workers so it looks like some reasonably substantial remediation is about to begin.

I wonder who’s paying?
potatoinmymouth
May I know The Gauge Please?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I hope to heaven above it’s Superior Gauge (and that might make sense given the NW standardisation) or at the very least convertible but this is Victoria so probably Backwater Gauge.

I don’t really know.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Huge delivery of concrete sleepers to the yard over the last couple of days. This morning, men, hi-rails and dump trucks clearing the massive piles of old wooden sleepers. I would estimate maybe 20 workers so it looks like some reasonably substantial remediation is about to begin.

I wonder who’s paying?
potatoinmymouth

I also noticed a massive numbers of sleepers on Saturday as I was on my way to Albion to replace a switch for the railcams.  Seems work has started but what Gauge?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

To my eye, on a second look, they look like non-convertible BG (but my eye could be wrong, of course).

Work has started lifting roads in the down end of the yard. I think it is 5 and 6 roads in West Yard according to this diagram.  

Purely speculating, could the intention of the work be to bring 6 road up to mainline standards, continue with 8 road in East Yard, and then realign the Up Independent Through Line along the resleepered route? This would get the BG through lines onto the south side and clear the way for gauge conversion of one or both classification yards. Please note: I know nothing about trackwork or rail operations! I hope someone can enlighten us better.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Rakes and locos and bits and pieces are constantly moving in and out of the down end so it’s quite hard to tell exactly what is going on each day. However, what seems to be happening is a fairly high-ratio resleepering of the whole of West Yard and down classification roads. This work is progressing with 2 or 3 roads occupied at a time and the rest of the yard operational.

I am confident that the sleepers being used are BG, and fairly certain they are not convertible.

No reorganisation or rationalisation of trackwork is evident. Additionally, some decrepit infrastructure has been removed at the up end of the yard, and broken rails removed from booked-out sidings.


All this together suggests to me that someone is expecting increased use of the yard in its current form in the near future. It remains something of a mystery to me what this use could be.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Rakes and locos and bits and pieces are constantly moving in and out of the down end so it’s quite hard to tell exactly what is going on each day. However, what seems to be happening is a fairly high-ratio resleepering of the whole of West Yard and down classification roads. This work is progressing with 2 or 3 roads occupied at a time and the rest of the yard operational.

I am confident that the sleepers being used are BG, and fairly certain they are not convertible.

No reorganisation or rationalisation of trackwork is evident. Additionally, some decrepit infrastructure has been removed at the up end of the yard, and broken rails removed from booked-out sidings.


All this together suggests to me that someone is expecting increased use of the yard in its current form in the near future. It remains something of a mystery to me what this use could be.
potatoinmymouth
More stuff on broad gauge is always good
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
How long before one of the 3 yards is converted to standard gauge as the space available on SG around Melbourne is highly limited.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

More stuff on broad gauge is always good
Dangersdan707
I continue to await your PhD thesis on the superior "stuff"-carrying capabilities of Bumpkin Gauge. In the meantime I am gauge-agnostic so long as it results in increased rail freight traffic, so I remain hopeful this is part of a sensible plan for utilising Totty.

How long before one of the 3 yards is converted to standard gauge as the space available on SG around Melbourne is highly limited.
x31

Which 3 yards are you referring to? I agree there is a desperate need for SG marshalling and train prep facilities, and would be curious to hear your thoughts on where it might best be situated.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
I continue to await your PhD thesis on the superior "stuff"-carrying capabilities of Bumpkin Gauge.
potatoinmymouth
He's just doing it for the attention, ignore him.
  chonnaigh Station Master

Location: Vic
I worked at Totty in the '80's.  Then there were 4 'yards'. The arrivals (Sunshine end)yard , 1st Classification Yard (or 'top' yard), 2nd Classification Yard(bottom yard) and the departure yard at the Footscray end. Though in my time we tended to call that bit the 'storage' yard as most of the roads were dead ends and all departures left from the other three 'yards'.
I know the yards were modified after my time so maybe they don't consider it 4 separate areas anymore.  Sad to see the state of it now.

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