State Govt's Regional Rail Revival

 
  nozza99 Station Master

Location: Warrnambool, Vic
MOD NOTE: owing to the popularity of this subject two threads were started. The first was in the news section, but it is a Victorian item so this thread you are reading now will be the surviving one.

To read the first part of this ( effectively) got to :
https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2052504.htm#2052504

Regards, David Head - Mod.
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http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/regionalrailrevival/

Some Interesting proposals in today's announcement, As a Warrnambool resident I would think upgrading track quality would be more worthwhile than signalling improvements. Similarly interesting that they are 'Duplicating' the Avon River Bridge instead of providing a replacement.

A few points on this release also mention V/Locitys running to Warrnambool and up the North East Standard Gauge in the future.

Either way, great to see some money spent on regional rail infrastructure

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  True Believers Chief Commissioner

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/regionalrailrevival/

Some Interesting proposals in today's announcement, As a Warrnambool resident I would think upgrading track quality would be more worthwhile than signalling improvements. Similarly interesting that they are 'Duplicating' the Avon River Bridge instead of providing a replacement.

A few points on this release also mention V/Locitys running to Warrnambool and up the North East Standard Gauge in the future.

Either way, great to see some money spent on regional rail infrastructure
nozza99
Here's the full video here: (mentions RFR and RRL and the increases on demand for V-Line services)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtu9oN47uio
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/regionalrailrevival/

Some Interesting proposals in today's announcement, As a Warrnambool resident I would think upgrading track quality would be more worthwhile than signalling improvements. Similarly interesting that they are 'Duplicating' the Avon River Bridge instead of providing a replacement.

A few points on this release also mention V/Locitys running to Warrnambool and up the North East Standard Gauge in the future.

Either way, great to see some money spent on regional rail infrastructure
nozza99
It says in stage 1 of Gippsland upgrade, they will upgrade the avon river bridge, plus a lot of duplication and other related works. In stage 2 they will duplicate that section and provide a new bridge alongside the upgraded one.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Here's a simple 'reader's digest' snapshot of what it is to include:

Bendigo - Echuca, line speed upgrade and extra services. Long overdue.

Bendigo - Epsom & Bendigo - Eaglehawk, signal upgrades. enables more services to operate without the current restraints

Ararat, extra stabling, extra services.

Ballarat,  'Improved signalling and trackworks around Ballarat for freight movements', I'm not sure what this specifically entails.

Warrnambool, Extra crossing loop from Boorcan to Weerite, signalling upgrades, 2nd platform at Waurn Ponds & extra services.

Surf Coast, Procurement of a reservation for a future rail line to Torquay

Gippsland, Upgrade of the Avon River Bridge, general line upgrades

North East, station upgrades at Donnybrook and Wallan, preperation works for V/Locities or similar trains to run to Albury

All in all a good suite of works and a lot of it is overdue.

Gets the tick from me.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/regionalrailrevival/

As a Warrnambool resident I would think upgrading track quality would be more worthwhile than signalling improvements.
nozza99
would it be correct to presume that the signalling upgrades would be required to run future Vlocity services on this line? Possibly even that the current signalling cannot cope with any more servicss on the line so would need to be upgraded for any improvement in service levels to occur?

BG
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
One thing of note, I'm sure it's nothing, but in the video on that press release is a map of Victoria's Rail network, all open lines are represented by a purple line, with the exception of the Oaklands line, Shepparton - Tocumwal line, the Toolamba - Deniliquin line, and oddly the Swan Hill line. Why would the Swan Hill line be singled out as in the same fashion as the 3 over the border grain & freight lines? It just seems odd. Probably just an oversight. But still.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

One thing of note, I'm sure it's nothing, but in the video on that press release is a map of Victoria's Rail network, all open lines are represented by a purple line, with the exception of the Oaklands line, Shepparton - Tocumwal line, the Toolamba - Deniliquin line, and oddly the Swan Hill line. Why would the Swan Hill line be singled out as in the same fashion as the 3 over the border grain & freight lines? It just seems odd. Probably just an oversight. But still.
Probably made that mistake on the video, not the biggest issue in the world. It's good to see huge investment to the neglected regional rail network.
James974
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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Here's a simple 'reader's digest' snapshot of what it is to include:

Bendigo - Echuca, line speed upgrade and extra services. Long overdue.

Bendigo - Epsom & Bendigo - Eaglehawk, signal upgrades. enables more services to operate without the current restraints

Ararat, extra stabling, extra services.

Ballarat,  'Improved signalling and trackworks around Ballarat for freight movements', I'm not sure what this specifically entails.

Warrnambool, Extra crossing loop from Boorcan to Weerite, signalling upgrades, 2nd platform at Waurn Ponds & extra services.

Surf Coast, Procurement of a reservation for a future rail line to Torquay

Gippsland, Upgrade of the Avon River Bridge, general line upgrades

North East, station upgrades at Donnybrook and Wallan, preperation works for V/Locities or similar trains to run to Albury

All in all a good suite of works and a lot of it is overdue.

Gets the tick from me.
Gman_86

Agreed.

What signal upgrades are required from Bendigo to Eaglehawk and Epsom as they already have colour signals on these corridors when I last checked?

Given the constant overcrowding on the Geelong like could a some of the $500m be for additional rollingstock?

I also note SG Vlocities are on the way but not sure if this is exactly what should be provided in the medium to long term.  We need long distance passenger rollingstock and VLocity sets are not that.

It is good news but the devil is in the detail as noted.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Carried over from closed thread....
Bearing in mind that this is the budget before the 2018 state election budget.

This will see infrastructure works being undertaken all along marginal electorates....errr RFR lines https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif....almost like an RFR refresh 10 years on...and a bit extra for our longer distance V/Line travellers as well.

Finally it would appear the Echuca line will be up to some reasonable speed just before 2018 Election...

Will be interesting if some $$ appear next year to invest in resolving the current RRL issues.

Mike.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
What signal upgrades are required from Bendigo to Eaglehawk and Epsom as they already have colour signals on these corridors when I last checked?
bevans
More signals I suspect.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Extra stabling at Ararat presumably means that there will now be two morning UP services and two evening Down services, which could be useful. Hopefully we gain a midday train on weekends.

Upgrades to Echuca are long overdue, though depending on the time frame of actual work starting, could they hold off opening the line again until they finish?

The Ballarat upgrades I assume is actually a part of Murray Basin, and will make sure that freight trains coming from Maryborough will have somewhere to wait that isn't a platform when they go to head south. Duplication to Wendouree  and a second platform and even a turn back road is probably needed too.

Interesting to see if and when V/Locities start running on long distance lines. Though I really think we're due for a new generation of trains, we've been building VLocities for 13 years now.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Warrnambool, Extra crossing loop from Boorcan to Weerite, signalling upgrades, 2nd platform at Waurn Ponds & extra services.

Gman_86
The development would have to see a second platform built at Camperdown Station ?

Or will there be a single track neck each end of the current yard.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
It is being reported as part of this story that Vline carried a record 1.9 million pax in March. Does anyone know the breakdown of these figures by line?

I would be interested to know if the growth is coming mainly on the Geelong / Wyndham Vale / Tarneit corridor or others as anecdotally I am seeing less than last year on the Bendigo line trains that i catch.

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The 7pm ABC news tonight led with this PT regional investment story...

Premier Dan & PT Minister Allan, travelled to Geelong today, seemingly by train and alighted from the BRN car of an N set.

They discovered first hand about crowded trains particularly on the Geelong line when the ABC 7pm news report of their announcement on Platform 1 at Geelong station was interrupted by a public address announcement that the UP train apparently loaded with football revellers was full and there were little or no seats available for those boarding from Geelong to Melbourne.

Grist for the mill Question

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The 7pm ABC news tonight led with this PT regional investment story...

Premier Dan & PT Minister Allan, travelled to Geelong today, seemingly by train and alighted from the BRN car of an N set.

They discovered first hand about crowded trains particularly on the Geelong line when the ABC 7pm news report of their announcement on Platform 1 at Geelong station was interrupted by a public address announcement that the UP train apparently loaded with football revellers was full and there were little or no seats available for those boarding from Geelong to Melbourne.

Grist for the mill Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
7 News showed them both arriving at Warragul Station on a Gippslander service.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

I would be interested to know if the growth is coming mainly on the Geelong / Wyndham Vale / Tarneit corridor or others as anecdotally I am seeing less than last year on the Bendigo line trains that i catch.

BG
BrentonGolding

Perhaps like the Ballarat line, you now have 6 car trains running more services instead of three 3 car trains so the pax load is better spread over the increased accommodation on the train.

Mike.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It will be a revival when it happens and not before.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Perhaps one day someone will spend a quid to help the long suffering passengers on Metro, many of whom suffer on trains for damned near as long as those travelling to/from Geelong or Warragul.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.

I would be interested to know if the growth is coming mainly on the Geelong / Wyndham Vale / Tarneit corridor or others as anecdotally I am seeing less than last year on the Bendigo line trains that i catch.

BG
Perhaps like the Ballarat line, you now have 6 car trains running more services instead of three 3 car trains so the pax load is better spread over the increased accommodation on the train.

Mike.
The Vinelander
That's one way of seeing it, but it could also be people changing their travel patterns.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger

I would be interested to know if the growth is coming mainly on the Geelong / Wyndham Vale / Tarneit corridor or others as anecdotally I am seeing less than last year on the Bendigo line trains that i catch.

BG
Perhaps like the Ballarat line, you now have 6 car trains running more services instead of three 3 car trains so the pax load is better spread over the increased accommodation on the train.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Bendigo trains have benefited from going from mostly being 5 car trains to being 6 car trains. There are also a couple of extra shoulder peak services that are helping to spread the load.

The month long shut last October also helped kill off some growth, as did stopping less peak trains at Sunbury.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
One thing of note, I'm sure it's nothing, but in the video on that press release is a map of Victoria's Rail network, all open lines are represented by a purple line, with the exception of the Oaklands line, Shepparton - Tocumwal line, the Toolamba - Deniliquin line, and oddly the Swan Hill line. Why would the Swan Hill line be singled out as in the same fashion as the 3 over the border grain & freight lines? It just seems odd. Probably just an oversight. But still.
Gman_86
I think that that the ones shown in purple are the lines where works are proposed.  Many of the freight lines are shown as purple because they are part of the Murray Basin Project.  I am not aware of anything happening on the Swan Hill Line beyond Eaglehawk, so that may be why it is not shown in purple.

Or it may be just that the map was prepared quickly in time for the media release!

Ross
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Here's a simple 'reader's digest' snapshot of what it is to include:

Bendigo - Echuca, line speed upgrade and extra services. Long overdue.

Bendigo - Epsom & Bendigo - Eaglehawk, signal upgrades. enables more services to operate without the current restraints

Ararat, extra stabling, extra services.

Ballarat,  'Improved signalling and trackworks around Ballarat for freight movements', I'm not sure what this specifically entails.

Warrnambool, Extra crossing loop from Boorcan to Weerite, signalling upgrades, 2nd platform at Waurn Ponds & extra services.

Surf Coast, Procurement of a reservation for a future rail line to Torquay

Gippsland, Upgrade of the Avon River Bridge, general line upgrades

North East, station upgrades at Donnybrook and Wallan, preperation works for V/Locities or similar trains to run to Albury

All in all a good suite of works and a lot of it is overdue.

Gets the tick from me.
Gman_86
Interesting that the one line that seems to have missed out is the Shepparton Line.  I thought that there was a fair bit of agitation for some track upgrades and a new passing loop to allow more services to run.

Ross
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Here's a simple 'reader's digest' snapshot of what it is to include:

Bendigo - Echuca, line speed upgrade and extra services. Long overdue.

Bendigo - Epsom & Bendigo - Eaglehawk, signal upgrades. enables more services to operate without the current restraints

Ararat, extra stabling, extra services.

Ballarat,  'Improved signalling and trackworks around Ballarat for freight movements', I'm not sure what this specifically entails.

Warrnambool, Extra crossing loop from Boorcan to Weerite, signalling upgrades, 2nd platform at Waurn Ponds & extra services.

Surf Coast, Procurement of a reservation for a future rail line to Torquay

Gippsland, Upgrade of the Avon River Bridge, general line upgrades

North East, station upgrades at Donnybrook and Wallan, preperation works for V/Locities or similar trains to run to Albury

All in all a good suite of works and a lot of it is overdue.

Gets the tick from me.
Gman_86
Comments on the NE work...........

Both Donnybrook and Wallan had the Down (north bound) platforms lenghtend to take 6 car Vlocities as well as increased car parking a couple of years ago. Both still have short Up platforms, both car parks are usually full to overflowing.

What is needed at Albury is a decent secure storage area, currently the Dock platform is used, This will only take a single set and is SERIOUSLY insecure as the train is directly accessable, the platform having No gates to keep anyone out and the platform is CLEARLY visible from the Hume freeway Bypass and such visibilty is a WELL KNOWN security issue.

woodford
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Age Newspaper is reporting today the ALP (under Daniel Andrews) will have approximately $8.3b available in budgetary surplus before the next state election so the announcements being made tomorrow might actually be the first of many considering we go the polls next year 2018.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
http://minister.infrastructure.gov.au/chester/interviews/2017/dci039_2017.aspx

Federal perspective.

1. No business cases etc - no funding
2. Vic Govt failed to meet the deadline with the port sale/lease to qualify for asset recycling funding.

Seems pretty clear to me.

If there is any surplus of that magnitude then Vic should be able to fund it all itself....

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