New long-distance V/Line rolling stock

 
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Perhaps the Myki software could be modified to allow pre-payment at the point of reservation, then. I agree it’s a good idea but it’s a loooooong way down the priority list.

I’m not holding my breath.

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  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Reserved Seating is relatively easy.

In Germany, they have littled strip LED signs which say Origin-Destination for each seats next reservation. So for example a train from Copenhagen to Hamburg to Bremen, Seat 62A is reserved Copenhagen-Bremen, and 62B reserved just Hamburg-Bremen, and when jumping on the train, you can see that you can sit in seat 62B until Hamburg, then you'll need to get up and find a new one. Pretty simple system
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Brilliant system, actually. Thanks for the picture, @John.Z

Unfortunately it would require a major hardware refit into the fleet and completely new long-distance ticketing software (myki would have to be substantially reworked no doubt as well).

Not cheap and given current pax numbers of long-haul probably not a sound investment. But we can dream!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Brilliant system, actually. Thanks for the picture, @John.Z

Unfortunately it would require a major hardware refit into the fleet and completely new long-distance ticketing software (myki would have to be substantially reworked no doubt as well).

Not cheap and given current pax numbers of long-haul probably not a sound investment. But we can dream!
potatoinmymouth
But for the new builds (which this thread was originally about) it could be included in the scope.

Re tix, LD services don't use MYKI on most routes (I am not sure about the NE service) so unless they are going to expand the reach of MYKI then the status quo could be maintained.

They could then allow (through a pretty simple add on to MYKI or a paper ticket sold by SMs at intermediate stations) commuter pax to purchase upgrades to First / Reserved seats from the time that the train has departed the originating point when they know what seats are free. It could actually be 30 mins or an hour before departure as I am sure they know pretty much how many pax they have by then.

That would go part way to solving the ludicrous situation as mentioned elsewhere where a train pulls into say Castlemaine, the front 2 reserved cars are almost empty and the rear 2/3 unreserved are standing room only.

Even the humble VGR has an upgrade option from Excursion to First Class able to be purchased on the day at the booking office even if you have booked your tix online many months before!

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
In the past I have known conductors on the UP Swan Hill after leaving Castlemaine when the non-reserved cars are full and standing to advise pax to sit in the spare seats of the (reserved) BRN or pay a surcharge for travel in the relative tranquility of the ACN.

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
In the past I have known conductors on the UP Swan Hill after leaving Castlemaine when the non-reserved cars are full and standing to advise pax to sit in the spare seats of the (reserved) BRN or pay a surcharge for travel in the relative tranquility of the ACN.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Discretion, common sense. What next?
DISCIPLINE the conductor, of course.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

In the past I have known conductors on the UP Swan Hill after leaving Castlemaine when the non-reserved cars are full and standing to advise pax to sit in the spare seats of the (reserved) BRN or pay a surcharge for travel in the relative tranquility of the ACN.

Mike.
Discretion, common sense. What next?
DISCIPLINE the conductor, of course.
YM-Mundrabilla
I've never understood why trains going towards the City once in the Myki zone would police reserved seats.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

This will probably be sorted out when the V/Locitys start operating to Bairnsdale in August. Is this still going ahead? The timetable through to December still shows first-class and refreshment available, reservation required and loco-hauled journey times for all services, not just the late PM down and the early AM up.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
What is the reason for VLine running two ticketing systems?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
In the past I have known conductors on the UP Swan Hill after leaving Castlemaine when the non-reserved cars are full and standing to advise pax to sit in the spare seats of the (reserved) BRN or pay a surcharge for travel in the relative tranquility of the ACN.

Mike.
The Vinelander
How does one go about upgrading to an ACN seat when travelling on a MYKI Mike?

I for one would do this if I knew it was possible!

BG
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

In the past I have known conductors on the UP Swan Hill after leaving Castlemaine when the non-reserved cars are full and standing to advise pax to sit in the spare seats of the (reserved) BRN or pay a surcharge for travel in the relative tranquility of the ACN.

Mike.
How does one go about upgrading to an ACN seat when travelling on a MYKI Mike?

I for one would do this if I knew it was possible!

BG
BrentonGolding

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/ticketing-for-travel-in-regional-victoria/regional-vline-paper-ticket-types/

This link has the answers you seek!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
In the past I have known conductors on the UP Swan Hill after leaving Castlemaine when the non-reserved cars are full and standing to advise pax to sit in the spare seats of the (reserved) BRN or pay a surcharge for travel in the relative tranquility of the ACN.

Mike.
How does one go about upgrading to an ACN seat when travelling on a MYKI Mike?

I for one would do this if I knew it was possible!

BG
BrentonGolding

Having always had a 1st Class ticket, not sure. Perhaps it's a local arrangement between grateful pax and an enterprising conductor..Wink

M.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

What is the reason for VLine running two ticketing systems?
james.au

Originally myki was to be statewide, but the scope was reduced by the 2011(0) - 2014 LNP government to save costs. You'll see references on RP at times to inoperative myki terminals at Albury. The current system is similar to, but not the same as, NSW's Opal and TrainLink setup.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
What is the reason for VLine running two ticketing systems?

Originally myki was to be statewide, but the scope was reduced by the 2011(0) - 2014 LNP government to save costs. You'll see references on RP at times to inoperative myki terminals at Albury. The current system is similar to, but not the same as, NSW's Opal and TrainLink setup.
kitchgp
Yes ive seen the bollards in Albury.  I wonder what the patronage threshold is that they need to have it installed?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

There isn’t one. The LNP government put their foot down on ballooning costs and axed rollout for all V/Line services bar commuter trains at the same time as cutting the single-use ticket. But by that point bollards had already gone up at Albury (and, if memory serves me correctly, at some even more obscure and distant locations).
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
There isn’t one. The LNP government put their foot down on ballooning costs and axed rollout for all V/Line services bar commuter trains at the same time as cutting the single-use ticket. But by that point bollards had already gone up at Albury (and, if memory serves me correctly, at some even more obscure and distant locations).
potatoinmymouth
Camperdown and Warrnambool ring a bell for those blanked off bollards, seems a bit of a waste to me though. There's even cut and fills in the asphelt on the platform so wiring must be run for them and all
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
What is the reason for VLine running two ticketing systems?
"james.au"
It's because we are "global leaders in public transport".
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
How to upgrade you ticket with a myki to first class:
All other services, including V/Line coaches, have Economy Class only.

If you are travelling on a myki and wish to travel First Class on a long distance service, you can purchase an upgrade ticket.

First Class upgrades can be purchased from staffed V/Line stations before travelling - your myki cannot be used to pay for the upgrade.

Long distance train service and MYKI:
There is nothing stopping the state government using myki for whole of train trip on a long distance service.

For example:
there is no difference if person catch from Southern Cross to Bendigo  compare if they when all way to Swan Hill.

How many tickets systems Vline has :

It only has one and that Vline paper ticket which base on units and not zones and which myki is base on.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Reserved Seating is relatively easy.

In Germany, they have littled strip LED signs which say Origin-Destination for each seats next reservation. So for example a train from Copenhagen to Hamburg to Bremen, Seat 62A is reserved Copenhagen-Bremen, and 62B reserved just Hamburg-Bremen, and when jumping on the train, you can see that you can sit in seat 62B until Hamburg, then you'll need to get up and find a new one. Pretty simple system
John.Z
Excellent system, I made very well use of It when using a first class Eurail pass (I never booked anything, just turned up and go)
  woodford Chief Commissioner

There isn’t one. The LNP government put their foot down on ballooning costs and axed rollout for all V/Line services bar commuter trains at the same time as cutting the single-use ticket. But by that point bollards had already gone up at Albury (and, if memory serves me correctly, at some even more obscure and distant locations).
potatoinmymouth
As far as I am aware all stations on the Albury line beyond Seymour have had initial installment of Myki equipment, this includes the equipment cabinet (Note 1) and the Myki stand it self, (not the reader itself though).

Note 1: The equipment cabinet at Violet Town DOES have data equpiment installed and operational in it.

Just a comment, you said................

" The LNP government put their foot down on ballooning costs and axed rollout for......................"

This is one of the reasons why any rail project is SO expensive in Victoria all contractors are WELL aware of the LNP's habit of cancelling work to reduce costs so the load up the contracts in advance to make SURE they run a profit no matter what happens. I also would not die of shock to find the contracts had a penalty clause in case of cancelation or restrictions of work, in fact from discusions with some legal people this is a standard clause is such contracts.

woodford
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
There isn’t one. The LNP government put their foot down on ballooning costs and axed rollout for all V/Line services bar commuter trains at the same time as cutting the single-use ticket. But by that point bollards had already gone up at Albury (and, if memory serves me correctly, at some even more obscure and distant locations).
potatoinmymouth

There are blanked off bollards everywhere on the V/Line intercity network. I'm certain they are also at Mildura...but not on the platform side... Smile

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

WIN News Gippsland had an item last night on the launch. Seems they got quite a good turnout from the Bairnsdale public. Vox pop reactions were mixed; some liked the "newness", others commented on the lack of catering facilities. No obvious effort was being made to sell improved journey times.

All in all, probably a smart move by V/Line to run a media event and give themselves at least some chance of selling the positive aspects of the train.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
We can assume with some degree of confidence that this is the first, prototype V/Line Inter-city service utilising V'Locity trains.

Interesting in view of some discussion in other threads that there are seat reservations that can be made to secure a seat, however no 1st Class of course and some seats may face backwards which will effect some people.

https://www.vline.com.au/News-Alerts/News-Articles/VLocity-trains-to-Bairnsdale

Mike.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Here we go crew, the news clip, complete with sausage sizzle, show bags and not forgetting face painting.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/WINNewsGippsland/posts/?ref=page_internal

Informative clip and a few comments from the natives. Well done.

BigShunter.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Thanks for that, Mike. Also good to see that checked luggage service will continue, and that the press release is careful to note that the catering arrangements are “temporary”.

On the basis of what’s mentioned here I would not be surprised if the new intermediate trailer was also partly occupied by a conductor luggage space.

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