Inland Railway - Construction Phase

 
  M636C Minister for Railways

no connection at Stockinbingal with east west line
There are exactly the same connections at Stockinbingal as there are now.

Westbound trains can turn north at Stockinbingal and southbound trains can turn east.

Southbound trains going west and eastbound trains turning north have to reverse in Stockinbingal yard.

Eastbound trains may turn south at Stockinbingal. Westbound trains can only turn south by running around at Stockinbingal and backing out onto either the lines north or west.

The only flyover at Stockingbingal is that for Burley Griffin Way.

SSR have run trains to Newcastle via Gulgong reversing at Stockinbingal but clearly don't do it often enough to justify a direct connection.

Peter

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Interactive map of the Illabo to Stockinbingal (I2S) section, https://maps.inlandrail.com.au/i2s#/

Notably, the junction at Stockinbingal shows no connection between east and south.
cootanee
Why does it need one?
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Inquiry into Inland Rail and they haven't even finished the first section.

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Rural_and_Regional_Affairs_and_Transport/InlandRail
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
In the Stockinbingal to Parkes (S2P) section, the Daroobalgie crossing loop between Forbes and Parkes, has been fast-tracked with construction due to start next year. https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/26627/documents/125753

Recently checked out the new Y link west of Goobang Junction including the intermodal terminal works. Parkes is on a roll.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
ARTC to modify reference design for Inland Rail route in light of “fatal flaw.”

https://www.railexpress.com.au/artc-ceo-to-reconsider-inland-rail-route-in-light-of-fatal-flaw/
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Inland Rail - Calvert to Kagaru Project update Feb 2020
https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/C2K



https://youtu.be/4V_MxmPcfEY
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Warning 21min video.

Inland Rail Border to Gowrie (B2G) project fly-through



https://youtu.be/ZXKgi8L4qHM
  WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

Checking this entire thread, the following useful tabulation could not be found. Inland Rail (IR) uses these succinct abbreviations (such as "T2A Tottenham to Albury) extensively and RailPagers are recommended to use the same. The table below would have straighter columns if a common width font can be used, most fonts being of non-standard widths for each character.

The 13 sections of the IR are:

T2A Tottenham-Albury (1)                         (305km)
A2I Albury-Illabo          (2)                        (185km)
I2S Illabo-Stockingbal  (3)                           (37km)
S2P Stockingbal-Parkes     (4)                      (99km)
P2N Parkes-Narromine      (5)                     (300km)
N2NS Narrabri-North Star (7)                      (186km)
NS2B North Star-NSW/QLD Border  (8)          (39km)
B2G NSW/QLD Border-Gowrie         (9)        (145km) (Dual Gauge)
G2H Gowrie-Helidon                        (10)       (28km) (DG)
H2C Helidon-Calvert                         (11)      (47km) (DG)
C2K Calvert-Kagaru                           (12)     (53km) (DG)
K2ARB Kagaru-Acacia & Bromelton (13)         (49km) (DG)

Since the site of the Melbourne Freight Hub has yet to be determined, the starting point of T2A may not necessary be Tottenham.

Changing to Font Courier New gets a neater table. SmileSmile

T2A Tottenham-Albury             (1)  (305km)
A2I Albury-Illabo                (2)  (185km)
I2S Illabo-Stockingbal           (3)   (37km)
S2P Stockingbal-Parkes           (4)   (99km)
P2N Parkes-Narromine             (5)  (104km)
N2N Narromine-Narrabri           (6)  (300km)
N2NS Narrabri-North Star         (7)  (186km)
NS2B North Star-NSW/QLD Border   (8)   (39km)
B2G NSW/QLD Border-Gowrie        (9)  (145km) (DG = Dual Gauge)
G2H Gowrie-Helidon              (10)   (28km) (DG) (6000m Tunnel)
H2C Helidon-Calvert             (11)   (47km) (DG) ( 805m Tunnel)
C2K Calvert-Kagaru              (12)   (53km) (DG) (1100m Tunnel)
K2ARB Kagaru-Acacia & Bromelton (13)   (49km) (DG)
  WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

no connection at Stockinbingal with east west line
There are exactly the same connections at Stockinbingal as there are now.

Westbound trains can turn north at Stockinbingal and southbound trains can turn east.

Southbound trains going west and eastbound trains turning north have to reverse in Stockinbingal yard.

Eastbound trains may turn south at Stockinbingal. Westbound trains can only turn south by running around at Stockinbingal and backing out onto either the lines north or west.

The only flyover at Stockingbingal is that for Burley Griffin Way.

SSR have run trains to Newcastle via Gulgong reversing at Stockinbingal but clearly don't do it often enough to justify a direct connection.
See sketch on following page. Press "Reply" to see sketch properly displayed. Don't know why it is gobbledook when viewed first time?

Note that there is no longer a crossing loop at Stockinbingal, so that the two short Grain Sidings have to be used for running around the train. The distance between SL16 and SL17 signals in only 411m in length. The Grain Sidings are often full of grain waggons being loaded; even the aerial photos show this. What is the length of trains going to and from silos to the Est, towards Temora? Part of the old line towards Parkes might be retained as an extension of the Grain Sidings? As no power signalling may  be needed, connecting Frame E connecting these remains with a slew of the old main line may work well enough to reduce the need for an West-North triangle. This needs more thought.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Inland Rail (IR) uses these succinct abbreviations (such as "T2A Tottenham to Albury) extensively and RailPagers are recommended to use the same.
WimbledonW
I would recommend that the correct way to use these abbreviations while maintaining clarity would be to include both the full name (and the abbreviation in brackets) the first time you refer to, for example, Parkes-Narromine (P2N) in a post and only then use the P2N abbreviation after that.

The exception to that rule would be if the full name and the abbreviation are used together in a first level quote you are replying to.

This forum has a major problem with people who think that gratuitous use of undefined acronyms makes them look smarter, which compromises the clarity of communication.

I will post a suggestion to the forum moderators that this be incorporated as a formal ruling applying to this thread and as strong recommendation for all threads with uncommon abbreviations/acronyms (including examples specifically applicable to just one project).
  WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

Inland Rail (IR) uses these succinct abbreviations (such as "T2A Tottenham to Albury) extensively and RailPagers are recommended to use the same.
I would recommend that the correct way to use these abbreviations while maintaining clarity would be to include both the full name (and the abbreviation in brackets) the first time you refer to, for example, Parkes-Narromine (P2N) in a post and only then use the P2N abbreviation after that.

The exception to that rule would be if the full name and the abbreviation are used together in a first level quote you are replying to.

This forum has a major problem with people who think that gratuitous use of undefined acronyms makes them look smarter, which compromises the clarity of communication.

I will post a suggestion to the forum moderators that this be incorporated as a formal ruling applying to this thread and as strong recommendation for all threads with uncommon abbreviations/acronyms (including examples specifically applicable to just one project).
justapassenger

I do agree. Mention both the abbreviation and its full meaning once at the beginning of a page, and just the abbreviation thereafter.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I do agree. Mention both the abbreviation and its full meaning once at the beginning of a page, and just the abbreviation thereafter.
WimbledonW
For uncommon abbreviations/acronyms (e.g. project-specific items, as opposed to common ones like ARTC) it should be in full the first time per post, unless it's already included in a quote.

This is a forum where the number of posts per page is customisable so you can't regulate it per page.
  WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

Checking this entire thread, the following useful tabulation could not be found. Inland Rail (IR) uses these succinct abbreviations (such as "T2A Tottenham to Albury) extensively and RailPagers are recommended to use the same. The table below would have straighter columns if a common width font can be used, most fonts being of non-standard widths for each character.

The 13 sections of the IR are:

Since the site of the Melbourne Freight Hub has yet to be determined, the starting point of T2A may not necessary be Tottenham.

Changing to Font Courier New gets a neater table. SmileSmile

T2A Tottenham-Albury             (1)      (305km)
A2I Albury-Illabo                (2)      (185km)
I2S Illabo-Stockingbal           (3)       (37km)
S2P Stockingbal-Parkes           (4)       (99km)
P2N Parkes-Narromine             (5)      (104km)
N2N Narromine-Narrabri                      (6)           (300km)
N2NS Narrabri-North Star         (7)      (186km)
NS2B North Star-NSW/QLD Border   (8)       (39km)
B2G NSW/QLD Border-Gowrie        (9)      (216km) (DG = Dual Gauge)
G2H Gowrie-Helidon              (10)       (28km) (DG) (6000m Tunnel)
H2C Helidon-Calvert             (11)       (47km) (DG) ( 805m Tunnel)
C2K Calvert-Kagaru              (12)       (53km) (DG) (1100m Tunnel)
K2ARB Kagaru-Acacia & Bromelton (13)       (49km) (DG)
WimbledonW
In the Tottenham-Albury (T2A) and Albury-Illabo (A2I) sections 10 of the existing crossing loops are less than the 1800m standard. It is also the case that some loops in Queensland (B2G), G2H, H2C, C2K and K2ARB sections are 2200m long which has 400m to spend on other characteristis. For example 250m might be spend on simultaneous arrivals, and 150m on slow down zones.

SA require an overlap (aka Safety Margin) past the Departure (Starting) signals, which give some protection for Signal Passed At Stop (SPAD). The slow down zone means that the rear of the 1800m train clears the single section at say 15km/h rather than say
2km/h/

There is a problem with the flashing yellow (FY) signals in QLD (Queensland) compared to NSW (New South Wales)
* QLD FY means signal has no overlap, so pass that signal carefully. (More restrictive)
* NSW FY means (1) next signal at Caution (yellow); (2) next signal is Junction Clear (Yellow or Green) (Less Restrictive)

This serious contradiction can be resolved if all QLD Loop arrival (Home) signals do have overlaps, which could be the case if the QLD loops are 2200m. Remember that the QLD lines are dual gauge, where by the QLD and NSW drivers are involved.

It is not clear if signals in QLD will follow QLD or NSW practice, especially on the dual gauge sections. Double Yellows also have contradictory meanings in QLD compared to NSW; fortunately the these aspects are several hundred km apart. Similarly contradictions exist between Green over Red in NSW compared to VIC.
  WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

no connection at Stockinbingal with east west line

SSR have run trains to Newcastle via Gulgong reversing at Stockinbingal but clearly don't do it often enough to justify a direct connection.
M636C
Do these trains that reverse use the sidings to run around?  It is noted that the two Grain sidings are often full of Grain waggons being loaded!
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Yes exactly no connection at Stockinbingal with east west line, no direct connection with Dubbo-Cobar at Narromine, no connection with Narrabri West - Walgett branch at Narrabri either. They will be flyovers at all these junctions instead of installing triangles at these 3 junctions which would improve connections to branch lines and would also improve the effiency of trains coming from or going to these branch lines.
The only triangle being built is the Junction with ARTC East west line at Parkes.
The federal government and ARTC are not interested in feeder trains coming into Inland line they obviously only want Intermodal Brisbane-Melbourne traffic.
For example a triangle at Stockinbingal would mean a grain train coming from somewhere like say Wyalong could swing directly north on triangle at Stockinbingal and head north to Parkes and beyond. Currently that train has to run around at Stockinbingal or if too long go all the way to Cootamundra to run around before coming back to head to Parkes.
While the demand may be low at the moment for such triangles at these junctions it would greatly improve the flexibility of the inland network to have these type of junctions so it’s a shame no forethought saw them as part of the build program.
2LaGrange
There most likely be no "flyovers", all rail Junctions in N.S.W. will be at Grade, with 80km/h turnouts, which will allow for future development if the need arises. The only "flyovers" that I have seen are in Qld, where Inland Rail goes over existing N/G track. You are correct that there isn't a direct Northern connection at Stockinbingal, nor a direct Southern connection out of Stockinbingal either. There are two 'Y' connections.



https://youtu.be/B1DN9KjnUnA

Narromine is meant to be being by-passed with the line turning right around Narwonah heading for Dubbo-Cobar Line between Narromine-Minore, where they will most likely be able to continue North towards Narrabri through two 'Y' connections, similar to Stockinbingal.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
FYI, for the train in that video to cover that length of track (~37km) in that time (~3.15m) it would have to be travelling at about 685kph.

I conclude video is not to scale....
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Sounds like Morrison is at least keen to keep the funds rolling in for Inland Rail. Not sure what this will look like in terms of timelines, but at least it's not going on the backburner:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12354094
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Sounds like Morrison is at least keen to keep the funds rolling in for Inland Rail. Not sure what this will look like in terms of timelines, but at least it's not going on the backburner:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12354094
Carnot

It does look like they will bring build forward and also rail projects in WA to be fast tracked.  The industry is calling for inland rail certainty https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/industry-calls-for-certainty-on-inland-rail-route and this could well done it.  Nothing like bulldozers working to see progress.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

A bit more here: https://www.railexpress.com.au/inland-rail-approvals-get-fast-tracked-in-1-5bn-federal-infrastructure-spend/
Looks like they're going to try to speed up the approvals process (i.e. less red tape and signing it off quicker).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A bit more here: https://www.railexpress.com.au/inland-rail-approvals-get-fast-tracked-in-1-5bn-federal-infrastructure-spend/
Looks like they're going to try to speed up the approvals process (i.e. less red tape and signing it off quicker).
Carnot

This is good news and makes a lot of sense.  Australia needs to get these projects up and running quicker.  I would now hope this will give operators confidence to build against the project and investment more money in terminals and freight access.

How does this impact the Melbourne end and access to the port?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

A bit more here: https://www.railexpress.com.au/inland-rail-approvals-get-fast-tracked-in-1-5bn-federal-infrastructure-spend/
Looks like they're going to try to speed up the approvals process (i.e. less red tape and signing it off quicker).

This is good news and makes a lot of sense.  Australia needs to get these projects up and running quicker.  I would now hope this will give operators confidence to build against the project and investment more money in terminals and freight access.

How does this impact the Melbourne end and access to the port?
bevans
Perhaps more impetus to get the Beveridge Terminal built sooner rather than later?

The other big question is access to Tottenham and also the WIFT at Laverton (i.e. Upgrades to the Brooklyn SG line)?
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Mister Fact Checker
A bit more here: https://www.railexpress.com.au/inland-rail-approvals-get-fast-tracked-in-1-5bn-federal-infrastructure-spend/
Looks like they're going to try to speed up the approvals process (i.e. less red tape and signing it off quicker).

This is good news and makes a lot of sense.  Australia needs to get these projects up and running quicker.  I would now hope this will give operators confidence to build against the project and investment more money in terminals and freight access.

How does this impact the Melbourne end and access to the port?
bevans
Perhaps more impetus to get the Beveridge Terminal built sooner rather than later?

The other big question is access to Tottenham and also the WIFT at Laverton (i.e. Upgrades to the Brooklyn SG line)?
"Carnot"

Will be interesting what the Airport business case has to say about it.

Freight through Albion, Tottenham, Brooklyn has to be cleaned up and separated (both BG and SG) to get effective benefits for bo th projects

cheers
John
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Mister Fact Checker
A bit more here: https://www.railexpress.com.au/inland-rail-approvals-get-fast-tracked-in-1-5bn-federal-infrastructure-spend/
Looks like they're going to try to speed up the approvals process (i.e. less red tape and signing it off quicker).

This is good news and makes a lot of sense.  Australia needs to get these projects up and running quicker.  I would now hope this will give operators confidence to build against the project and investment more money in terminals and freight access.

How does this impact the Melbourne end and access to the port?
bevans
Perhaps more impetus to get the Beveridge Terminal built sooner rather than later?

The other big question is access to Tottenham and also the WIFT at Laverton (i.e. Upgrades to the Brooklyn SG line)?
"Carnot"

Will be interesting what the Airport business case has to say about it.

Freight through Albion, Tottenham, Brooklyn has to be cleaned up and separated (both BG and SG) to get effective benefits for bo th projects

cheers
John
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
My thoughts on Tottenham Yard will be UP YARD to SG and the Yard west of the station to remain BG.
  WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

The Federal summint today announced that two infrastructure proposals will be speeded up so as to provide more employment. Namely the 2nd power cable across Bass Strait, and the Inland Railway.

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