Would also require new log wagons to convey said logs on rail, PN own the old ones they will not sell them to a competitor. PN are even less likely to chase the work themselves.Not anymore, all were cut up in PNs last purges at North Geelong so the only route for anyone, PN included is either new wagons or log cradle containers plopped onto existing wagons (Which is a smarter idea in my opinion, collapsible tines for easy storage and less specialised wagons allows them to be very general purpose)
You have i take it seen the Tasrail log containers that go on their convertable flat wagons.Wouldn't they containerise it? I can't imagine raw logs on flats running through Flinders St (although I'd be happy to see it.)
Easier to load when not using containers and be similar to what PN used to do from Bairnsdale. works well.
May well be true but, if so, could result in rail requiring twice the rolling stock for the task or build in some other rail inefficiency for road to take advantage of. The same might also apply to the proposed container port shuttles.I cannot imagine in my worst dreams trying to negotiate paths through the Metrop with Metro and Vline between Colac and Maryvale.I doubt they would try to get paths during peak hours and as there is not all night running of suburbans they probably will path during those times.
Loading the logs into containers on site, trucking them to Colac Yard and then transloading onto container flats would be the obvious solution, as you'd then only need a reach stacker or similar container loader at Colac Yard. Colac Yard itself is fairly small (3x roads, longest road 341m) but if a hook-and-pull arrangement with PN could be made for a daily service then that wouldn't be an issue. You mightn't even need a shunting loco - a railcar mover attachment for the container loader could be used to shunt hook-and-pull moves.Very good points there, though I can't help but feel poking logs into an enclosed container might be a bit tedious compared to the 'giant tongs' and tines like the old FA wagons and log transport trucks have where they can be grabbed and lifted straight out. That and the triple handling of plantation - to mill/unload/load into containers and load onto trucks - unload/reload onto the train might be a bit of a draw back and bottle neck to cover on a few K's just within Colac.
As for Colac Yard requiring new sidings - probably not, although some track rehabilitation mightn't go astray.
Someone who has no locomotive skin in the game on these routes might be an option too - i.e. they coordinate the wagons, and work with 2 different loco providers to make it happen.Logs an environmental issue?
Someone like Sadliers (probably not them though).
One other thing to consider in containers - would the sight of logs on open wagons rolling through the centre of Melbourne be an environmental issue, i.e. one that the paper company wouldn't want to get tangled up in?
I mean, will 'inner city lefties', once they see log traffic going through the centre of Melbourne make an issue out of it. I know it happens all over the world and in Australia (including by road) but these often don't run through the centre of cities.'Fair point about if log traffic could cause platform hazards though - I hadn't thought of that.'
Fair point about if log traffic could cause platform hazards though - I hadn't thought of that.
With the logtainers the supports fold down allowing a normal container to be mounted onto it as they normal mount on the wagon deck just sitting slightly higher they can take 20ft and 40ft boxes.Brilliant bit of kit Clyde, do you know when they were built? ie is it a recent development? (the $1M figure would suggest yes!)
Two uses out of one wagon.