Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 06 Nov 2017 12:37
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Continue to Baxter and get the project done.  More talk fests by Jacinta Allan only supports the view she is all talk and does not deliver projects fast enough.  Electrification to Stony Point including Baxter is the only option which should be considered.  I know we have done this to death on RP but this government lacks action on the line which is an isolated Diesel service when it should be integrated with the Metro Network.

Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews

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  steve195 Train Controller

Continue to Baxter and get the project done.  More talk fests by Jacinta Allan only supports the view she is all talk and does not deliver projects fast enough.  Electrification to Stony Point including Baxter is the only option which should be considered.  I know we have done this to death on RP but this government lacks action on the line which is an isolated Diesel service when it should be integrated with the Metro Network.

Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews
bevans
I agree that most pollies are all talk, no action, but can you please point to where in that article the minister "only supports the view she is all talk"?
Seemed to me like she deliberately avoided making any comment on extending the wires.

As for the actual project, this topic has indeed been done to death and the same conclusion is always reached; it's a good idea that will need to be built one day, but it should not be a priority right now. Spend our tax dollars where they provide more benefit to more people.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Continue to Baxter and get the project done.  More talk fests by Jacinta Allan only supports the view she is all talk and does not deliver projects fast enough.  Electrification to Stony Point including Baxter is the only option which should be considered.  I know we have done this to death on RP but this government lacks action on the line which is an isolated Diesel service when it should be integrated with the Metro Network.

Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews
I agree that most pollies are all talk, no action, but can you please point to where in that article the minister "only supports the view she is all talk"?
Seemed to me like she deliberately avoided making any comment on extending the wires.

As for the actual project, this topic has indeed been done to death and the same conclusion is always reached; it's a good idea that will need to be built one day, but it should not be a priority right now. Spend our tax dollars where they provide more benefit to more people.
You got Melton electrification, Wollert Rail Link, Cranbourne rail extension and Baxter electrification. All three have merits of being done now, but we already got billions of removing crossings, billions on the metro tunnel, a billion on upgrades on regional rail, millions on Mernda extension, billions on upgrading the Dandenong to HCS and millions on many planning documents such as improving rail across the state. You know if you increase the rail budget any further, you would have to cut funding in other areas such as health, education or crime. If I would to complain is that it is spending bit too much money on big road project, westgatetunnel is not needed, only a billion dollars that could of been spent somewhere else.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Continue to Baxter and get the project done.  More talk fests by Jacinta Allan only supports the view she is all talk and does not deliver projects fast enough.  Electrification to Stony Point including Baxter is the only option which should be considered.  I know we have done this to death on RP but this government lacks action on the line which is an isolated Diesel service when it should be integrated with the Metro Network.

Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews
You got Melton electrification, Wollert Rail Link, Cranbourne rail extension and Baxter electrification. All three have merits of being done now, but we already got billions of removing crossings, billions on the metro tunnel, a billion on upgrades on regional rail, millions on Mernda extension, billions on upgrading the Dandenong to HCS and millions on many planning documents such as improving rail across the state. You know if you increase the rail budget any further, you would have to cut funding in other areas such as health, education or crime. If I would to complain is that it is spending bit too much money on big road project, westgatetunnel is not needed, only a billion dollars that could of been spent somewhere else.
James974
Agree, can't really say that Jacinta Allan is all talk as there are a large number of rail projects happening at the moment.

In terms of future projects you need to add Wallan electrification as well.

I'd have to say that each of Melton, Clyde and Wallan would have to come in before Langwarrin/Baxter as the first 3 are all in growth areas.

Ross
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Quite simply the stoney Point line does not get enough traffic and demand for electrification. I've only ever seen it half full in peek our its going to be like Peninsula link, have it on the plans for around 50 years. also @bevans there is already a recent thread on this topic.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Continue to Baxter and get the project done.  More talk fests by Jacinta Allan only supports the view she is all talk and does not deliver projects fast enough.  Electrification to Stony Point including Baxter is the only option which should be considered.  I know we have done this to death on RP but this government lacks action on the line which is an isolated Diesel service when it should be integrated with the Metro Network.

Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews
bevans
What a biased lot of crap. If Jacinta Allan is all talk then what was Terry Mulder? who did absolutely nothing for rail in this state. The biggest thing he had done was to remove $350 million from the Regional Rail Link and direct it to a stupid country road by-pass.

Michael
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Continue to Baxter and get the project done.  More talk fests by Jacinta Allan only supports the view she is all talk and does not deliver projects fast enough.  Electrification to Stony Point including Baxter is the only option which should be considered.  I know we have done this to death on RP but this government lacks action on the line which is an isolated Diesel service when it should be integrated with the Metro Network.

Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews
What a biased lot of crap. If Jacinta Allan is all talk then what was Terry Mulder? who did absolutely nothing for rail in this state. The biggest thing he had done was to remove $350 million from the Regional Rail Link and direct it to a stupid country road by-pass.

Michael
mejhammers1
Terry Mulder yeah the things he established back then was PTV, the PSOs, a few level crossing removals, and the election Xtrapolis stunt on the Frankston line. Did Bevans remember the Airport rail propaganda, or the one Xtrapolis that was rushed unto service. Labor does flop as well such as myki implementation was a failed attempt to introduce the new smart card. But the current government has overtaken massive rail projects unlike the previous decades. Only thing that is worth to critique is the focus on large road projects which are well known as duds like transurban secret agreement , as well as not changing the train timetable majorly.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
What, where, who, is Langy?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Quite simply the stoney Point line does not get enough traffic and demand for electrification. I've only ever seen it half full in peek our its going to be like Peninsula link, have it on the plans for around 50 years. also @bevans there is already a recent thread on this topic.
Dangersdan707

What upgrades has Jacinta Allan delivered for the Frankston Line? What upgrades and works have been delivered by the minister for the Stony Point Line? NONE.

We have yet talk, talk and more talk about Baxter electrification.  Stop the talk and get on with it. It is pointless not completing electrification for the entire line at the same time.  We are talking 20 kms of single track allowing for through metro train running and provision of more services which will be the benefit.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
What, where, who, is Langy?
Valvegear
From the actual article :

“The electrification of the train line to Langwarrin will provide ample opportunities for car parking at Langwarrin. In addition, it will better connect young professionals moving to Karingal and other fast-growing suburbs in our region with jobs right up the train line.”
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Quite simply the stoney Point line does not get enough traffic and demand for electrification. I've only ever seen it half full in peek our its going to be like Peninsula link, have it on the plans for around 50 years. also @bevans there is already a recent thread on this topic.

What upgrades has Jacinta Allan delivered for the Frankston Line? What upgrades and works have been delivered by the minister for the Stony Point Line? NONE.

We have yet talk, talk and more talk about Baxter electrification.  Stop the talk and get on with it. It is pointless not completing electrification for the entire line at the same time.  We are talking 20 kms of single track allowing for through metro train running and provision of more services which will be the benefit.
bevans
Frankston line: (Fact, a lot of stuff happened)
Continued the previous government Bayside Rail project
Removed three level crossings in the Bentleigh area
Upgrading the Glenthuntly tram square
Planning to remove 8 level crossings with two extra crossings got added later
New Southland station
Major upgrades to Frankston station

In fact there are those who think Frankston line is getting special treatment (marginal seats). So yeah the Frankston line has gotten a more than a fair share in funding in LX removals about 1-2 billion. So yeah it is unfair to say Jacinta done nothing to the Frankston line.

As for Stony Point, there are many electrification projects that would have to came before Baxter, such as Melton, Wallan, Tarneit/Wyndham Vale.

@bevans seems like you might prefer supporting this webpage since your really wanna advocate this such an important link in the Mornington Peninsula. http://www.peninsularaillink.net/History.html
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Level crossing programme aside.

What has been delivered for Frankston and Stony Point?
  steve195 Train Controller

Continue to Baxter and get the project done.  More talk fests by Jacinta Allan only supports the view she is all talk and does not deliver projects fast enough.  Electrification to Stony Point including Baxter is the only option which should be considered.  I know we have done this to death on RP but this government lacks action on the line which is an isolated Diesel service when it should be integrated with the Metro Network.

Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews
What a biased lot of crap. If Jacinta Allan is all talk then what was Terry Mulder? who did absolutely nothing for rail in this state. The biggest thing he had done was to remove $350 million from the Regional Rail Link and direct it to a stupid country road by-pass.

Michael
mejhammers1
Yeah but Mulder isn't the minister and Allan is.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
How could anyone advocate for not completing the project and doing it right.

Terry Mulder was a clown no doubt it but you are confusing the issues.  I am referring to a single issue called Stony Point and the Minster is only happy to talk about Baxter.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

How could anyone advocate for not completing the project and doing it right.

Terry Mulder was a clown no doubt it but you are confusing the issues.  I am referring to a single issue called Stony Point and the Minster is only happy to talk about Baxter.
bevans
Apart from the Level crossing program, as I said a new station opening on the Frankston line and an ongoing upgrade at Frankston.

Under your logic, what has been done for Lilydale. Exactly they are not Quadding the Burnley group, they are not extending the Lilydale out to Healesville. Don't compare line by line bases. Werribee line hasn't gotten any major upgrades either on par with the bayside group.

I have seen the Baxter project in the Melbourne Metro business plan scope. It is not ignored, it is just not needed immediately, it is in the long term planning.

All in all there is a lot of rail projects that can happen on top of what is currently happening, but what should happen next? Bevans what your asking is to make Baxter the priority project over other projects. And Baxter tends to be the least convincing to be prioritised over projects such as the Airport link, the Metro 2 tunnel plan, the Geelong intercity service, the Wallan and Melton electrification project, the Dandenong quadding project and so much more. It is on par with Burnley Quadding. Needed for the future, but currently there are other issues on the network more urgent to address.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Bevans are saying Baxter must come sooner or are you saying Baxter should be replaced by stony point?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It appears that Langy is out near Baxy and Cribby and Franky somewhere.
The great Oz tradition - slang at all costs.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Bevans are saying Baxter must come sooner or are you saying Baxter should be replaced by stony point?
freightgate

I am stating that when and I mean when the project is undertaken to continue electrification the project must include to Stony Point.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Stony Point does not have the traffic to justify electrification.  It's a bit surprising that it has not gone the same way as Healesville - similar type of  service, and Healesville is much bigger than Stony Point.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Stony Point does not have the traffic to justify electrification.  It's a bit surprising that it has not gone the same way as Healesville - similar type of  service, and Healesville is much bigger than Stony Point.
Lad_Porter
The Healesville line didn't have a daily steel train running over it.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I think the only reason why it still goes to stoney point is cause (in theory) the ferry connection to Philip island! literally there are only 5 houses there! though if the govement cut off the line at crib point the locals would not be happy and of course NEGATIVE PRESS FOR THE RAIL 'REVIVAL" PROJECT
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Quite simply the stoney Point line does not get enough traffic and demand for electrification. I've only ever seen it half full in peek our its going to be like Peninsula link, have it on the plans for around 50 years. also @bevans there is already a recent thread on this topic.

What upgrades has Jacinta Allan delivered for the Frankston Line? What upgrades and works have been delivered by the minister for the Stony Point Line? NONE.

We have yet talk, talk and more talk about Baxter electrification.  Stop the talk and get on with it. It is pointless not completing electrification for the entire line at the same time.  We are talking 20 kms of single track allowing for through metro train running and provision of more services which will be the benefit.
bevans
Sorry Bevans but the Melton Electrification is far more important. Ms Allan is not perfect as a TRransport Minister, none are in this state but she has overseen the biggest load of projects for PT this state has ever seen. And for that I am not going to criticism her mercilessly which some are prone to do.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Continue to Baxter and get the project done.  More talk fests by Jacinta Allan only supports the view she is all talk and does not deliver projects fast enough.  Electrification to Stony Point including Baxter is the only option which should be considered.  I know we have done this to death on RP but this government lacks action on the line which is an isolated Diesel service when it should be integrated with the Metro Network.

Rail line to Langy call on Daniel Andrews
What a biased lot of crap. If Jacinta Allan is all talk then what was Terry Mulder? who did absolutely nothing for rail in this state. The biggest thing he had done was to remove $350 million from the Regional Rail Link and direct it to a stupid country road by-pass.

Michael
Yeah but Mulder isn't the minister and Allan is.
steve195
No sheeet Sherlock. Anyway you are missing my point of the thread. Mulder did very little in the way of PT Projects. PSO's a couple of level crossing removals and the Bayside Rail Project. Jacinta Allan is not perfect by any stretch, some announcements seem ad-hoc and I do not like the cosy deal with Transurban, but when it is all said and done, she has done much more for Rail than Mulder. What he did doesn't even amount to Sweet FA. The Melbourne Rail Link was the biggest load of rubbish of a project ever thought up, if it did take much thought.

Michael
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Stony Point does not have the traffic to justify electrification.  It's a bit surprising that it has not gone the same way as Healesville - similar type of  service, and Healesville is much bigger than Stony Point.
Lad_Porter

Electrification at any rate will increase services and provide any uplift required in passenger numbers.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Stony Point does not have the traffic to justify electrification.  It's a bit surprising that it has not gone the same way as Healesville - similar type of  service, and Healesville is much bigger than Stony Point.
The Healesville line didn't have a daily steel train running over it.
LancedDendrite
Nor does the Stony Point line.  The steel train doesn't even get as far as Hastings (station).  In any case, the presence of a freight train does not necessarily justify a passenger service.

I agree that electric wires, and probably duplication, will be required to Hastings (certainly to Baxter anyway) at some point, subject to other more pressing projects as noted above.  But there is little justification for retaining the passenger service beyond Hastings, never mind electrification.

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