2018 State Election / Transport

 
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The libs have promised to scope passenger rail return to Dunolly. The ALP have agreed to do the same. I have not read any major freight projects announced thus from the Coalition.

The ALP must be ahead in the freight stakes from my perspective.
The Libs certainly would`nt want to bank on their past history of transport planning to win votes .
As for Mr Guy`s scheme to "Grade separate "intersections ,that is just a horrendous nightmare to think about .
Crossover
Most voters have extremely short memories when it comes to PT (and most other things) and wouldn't know a Grade Separation if they drove into the side of a train!

BG

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  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

Mathew Guy grew up in Montmorency, and his Dad is a railfan and signalling enthusiast, so one can assume that Mathew does know a fair bit about trains . Problem for Mathew is that trains are not popular within the Liberal Party , it lacks choice and smacks of socialism , which is a problem for the Victorian Branch if the press reports about the victory of the right wing conservatives is accurate.

What really still annoys me about Mathew is that infamous letter that guaranteed a payment of $1.5m due to cancellation of east west link , a letter that did not have cabinet approval, nor was it covered by Parliamentary authorisation and nor was the incoming government informed of its existence until they met with the holders of said letter.And this from a party that is allegedly fiscally responsible and fiscally conservative .

Prior to this Mathew, as Planning Minister, handed a BILLION dollar windfall to developers in Fishermans Bend when , by the stroke of a pen , he lifted the height limits to allow for skyscrapers.

Regards, Radioman.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Hey everyone, you should check this out.

http://www.melbournefoe.org.au/vic_transport_options_for_21c

Just have a read, so many great railway projects in there. If you have any other suggestions you can email them.
Anyways upcoming election is coming this is going to be interesting.

Also Clyde Rail maybe on the cards, Casey council has submitted their plan, of major infrastructure upgrades for discussion.
James974
Looks like I was right, Clyde rail is coming into the 2018 election. I hope that the Coalition pledge, would mean Labor would likely announce it as well, like what happened with Mernda. Where the opposition announced it first then the government responded back.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
"We must get people out of cars, we must provide an alternative to car-based transport earlier than we're doing now."
Matthew Guy
So, does this sound familiar?

New train stations promised in Melbourne as Monash Freeway upgrades get go-ahead
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
"We must get people out of cars, we must provide an alternative to car-based transport earlier than we're doing now."
So, does this sound familiar?

New train stations promised in Melbourne as Monash Freeway upgrades get go-ahead
Jack Le Lievre
I like how the Monash Freeway will go from 5 lanes (City bound) to 3 lanes over Warrigal Road.

The Monash Freeway are most places will be maxed out for space under the many road flyovers, further widening will require major work to each flyover (even total replacement, causing mega delays)
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
x31
@x31. I love to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, but if you are pinning your faith on David Davis you want your head read. He the man of empty rhetoric and slogans. And as a health minister, lets say that the marvellous Jill Hennessey is 50 times the health minister he will be on his best day.

Michael
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

re X31's photo , it is not a good look for politicians to be trespassing on a railway line .

Regards, Radioman.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Never mind that the sleepers are clearly rotted away and the rails very rusted...no trains have been along here in over 20 years...

Mike
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
"We must get people out of cars, we must provide an alternative to car-based transport earlier than we're doing now."
So, does this sound familiar?

New train stations promised in Melbourne as Monash Freeway upgrades get go-ahead
Jack Le Lievre
Interesting that Matthew Guy is photographed in an empty carriage talking about overcrowding...

Rick
  drunkill Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
"We must get people out of cars, we must provide an alternative to car-based transport earlier than we're doing now."
So, does this sound familiar?

New train stations promised in Melbourne as Monash Freeway upgrades get go-ahead
Jack Le Lievre
Funny, they used the residents of the casey area as a reason why EWL was needed to be built.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Reading the web today seems the ALP were only ever committed to thinking about Cranbourne East as the terminus. Clyde is a much better solution which will future proof the housing going out that way.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Reading the web today seems the ALP were only ever committed to thinking about Cranbourne East as the terminus. Clyde is a much better solution which will future proof the housing going out that way.
bevans

Possibly, although just because they had only set aside money for a station there doesn't mean it was their end game.

I'd hazard a guess they were hoping to bring it in play in 2022 rather than this year.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Hello All,

re X31's photo , it is not a good look for politicians to be trespassing on a railway line .

Regards, Radioman.
Radioman
goose
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
"We must get people out of cars, we must provide an alternative to car-based transport earlier than we're doing now."
So, does this sound familiar?

New train stations promised in Melbourne as Monash Freeway upgrades get go-ahead
Interesting that Matthew Guy is photographed in an empty carriage talking about overcrowding...

Rick
RustyRick

I thought that odd too unless it was liberal party shutterstock?
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic

I thought that odd too unless it was liberal party shutterstock?
bevans
It wasn't a stock photograph, they showed vision of Matthew Guy on the TV sitting all by himself. They even showed David Davis and Ann-Marie Hermans greeting him at Cranbourne Station and I don't think that anyone else even got off the train.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The political pieces of the Andrews transport plan are coming together better than anyone in the Labor Party could have imagined 4 years ago.

Today, the Kororoit Creek Rd grade separation opens to rail traffic, making it 26 level crossings removed. LXRA has also completed Mernda rail and Hurstbridge duplication well ahead of schedule - that organisation is an absolute juggernaut, the likes of which have not been seen in Victoria for a long time, if ever. Of course, we don’t know what the budget situation is, and the word on the street is that it is not good, but given the usual Liberal attack vehicle is “over time and over budget” - the rug is gone from the lounge room all together. In any case the detail will emerge too late to swing the election.

The West Gate Tunnel and Metro Tunnel will both have TBMs in the ground by November - an extraordinary achievement and even more so given the latter does not have a cent of federal funding. RPV are also overseeing a program of works on the country passenger lines, the scale of which is probably unprecedented, and tens of thousands of commuters across the state literally cannot escape the excavators and construction fencing.

Add this to the fact that there is a concrete and well-liked program of works ready for the second term - more level crossings, airport rail, North East Link, Baxter electrification, most likely WV and Melton too - and the Andrews mob is genuinely unbeatable on infrastructure.

The simple fact is that we will not hear much about infrastructure from Guy et al because they will do the calculus and realise the Liberal Party, still burdened with the spectres of Kennett and Bailieu, has absolutely zero electoral credibility on the issue.

That’s not to say the election is won - far from it. Andrews has other, significant weaknesses. Most concerning for me is the possibility - some might say probability - that both government and Opposition are hopelessly corrupt and the state is heading down the Queensland in the Bjelke-Petersen era pathway. But so far as the primary interests of most on this board are concerned, it is a one-horse race.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The political pieces of the Andrews transport plan are coming together better than anyone in the Labor Party could have imagined 4 years ago.

Today, the Kororoit Creek Rd grade separation opens to rail traffic, making it 26 level crossings removed. LXRA has also completed Mernda rail and Hurstbridge duplication well ahead of schedule - that organisation is an absolute juggernaut, the likes of which have not been seen in Victoria for a long time, if ever. Of course, we don’t know what the budget situation is, and the word on the street is that it is not good, but given the usual Liberal attack vehicle is “over time and over budget” - the rug is gone from the lounge room all together. In any case the detail will emerge too late to swing the election.

The West Gate Tunnel and Metro Tunnel will both have TBMs in the ground by November - an extraordinary achievement and even more so given the latter does not have a cent of federal funding. RPV are also overseeing a program of works on the country passenger lines, the scale of which is probably unprecedented, and tens of thousands of commuters across the state literally cannot escape the excavators and construction fencing.

Add this to the fact that there is a concrete and well-liked program of works ready for the second term - more level crossings, airport rail, North East Link, Baxter electrification, most likely WV and Melton too - and the Andrews mob is genuinely unbeatable on infrastructure.

The simple fact is that we will not hear much about infrastructure from Guy et al because they will do the calculus and realise the Liberal Party, still burdened with the spectres of Kennett and Bailieu, has absolutely zero electoral credibility on the issue.

That’s not to say the election is won - far from it. Andrews has other, significant weaknesses. Most concerning for me is the possibility - some might say probability - that both government and Opposition are hopelessly corrupt and the state is heading down the Queensland in the Bjelke-Petersen era pathway. But so far as the primary interests of most on this board are concerned, it is a one-horse race.
potatoinmymouth
Yes, Andrew's has done some good work relating to PT, but my fear is that much of that good work will be undone by the stupid boondoggles that are the NE Link and West Gate Tunnel.

And yes, so many lost opportunities by Baillieu and Napthine, along with the silly EW Link.  They obviously didn't learn from the 2010 Election at all.

Dan Andrew's has not won friends with some of his more radical social policies and pandering to militant unions...
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Yes, Andrew's has done some good work relating to PT, but my fear is that much of that good work will be undone by the stupid boondoggles that are the NE Link and West Gate Tunnel.
Carnot

The unfortunate reality is that no party in Australia at this point in time could hope to be elected on an all-PT platform. Too many swinging voters are of a generation and mindset (note: not slandering a generation for its own sake, just pointing out they often occur in tandem!) that “understands” congestion=more freeways needed.

I’m also not completely convinced that either project is a complete waste of time and money - but that’s for another thread!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Today, the Kororoit Creek Rd grade separation opens to rail traffic, making it 26 level crossings removed. LXRA has also completed Mernda rail and Hurstbridge duplication well ahead of schedule - that organisation is an absolute juggernaut, the likes of which have not been seen in Victoria for a long time, if ever. Of course, we don’t know what the budget situation is, and the word on the street is that it is not good, but given the usual Liberal attack vehicle is “over time and over budget” - the rug is gone from the lounge room all together. In any case the detail will emerge too late to swing the election.
potatoinmymouth
This never occured to me before for some reason but are the costs for all LXRA projects tied up into one bundled budget? If so this is political genius because if they are over budget we won't find out until the whole project is finished after the election unless the opposition gets enough numbers to set up a committee.

They could even just keep adding projects and increasing the budget and it could go on for years more, possibly till after another whole election cycle has passed.

BG
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

This never occured to me before for some reason but are the costs for all LXRA projects tied up into one bundled budget? If so this is political genius because if they are over budget we won't find out until the whole project is finished after the election unless the opposition gets enough numbers to set up a committee. They could even just keep adding projects and increasing the budget and it could go on for years more, possibly till after another whole election cycle has passed.
BrentonGolding

In short, yes, but remember the Auditor-General has already whacked the government and public service for cost overruns on it, so the opposition will be loath to pass any further appropriations without a serious song and dance.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
After reading this article https://www.standard.net.au/story/5537153/alp-greens-alliance-a-nightmare-for-state/ it is highly likely there would be a "coalition of the greens" after the November election which would make things very very interesting indeed.

For one I cannot see a major road project getting up and a real focus now on public transport improvements.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Don't get too excited bevans.

It's jusr a pre-election rant from a failed has been politician.

Labor and Greens are not lovers anymore. Greens taking every chance to white-ant,  just like the Libs.
Should be an interesting blood fight in the up coming divorce court in November.

Labor should romp it in, given the Libs ineptness.  
Transport plan will keep going, which is not exactly the same as building.
Remember Malcom's promised $15 - $30 billion, (lost track of the lastest fiction) doesn't really start flowing for another 5 years or so.  He won't be there then.

cheers
John
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Don't get too excited bevans.

Labor should romp it in, given the Libs ineptness.  
Transport plan will keep going, which is not exactly the same as building.
Remember Malcom's promised $15 - $30 billion, (lost track of the lastest fiction) doesn't really start flowing for another 5 years or so.  He won't be there then.
justarider

I believe you to be correct in your prediction.  I don't think the LIBS have a a chance of winning the election in November. There is really nothing they can offer the electorate that has not already been announced or underway.  What could they bring to the table?

malcolm has provided the commitment for the Airport Rail Link and the ALP have matched this and it will be built.  LIBS cooked and would only have a me too approach although the route may be different only because they could not go with the Sunshine option.

There is nothing the LIBS could provide other than to attack the delivery of some of these projects.

My point about the Greens is they could hold the balance meaning the ALP would need their support for projects other than green projects and that would come at a cost to the ALP.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
I'm  a bit more sanguine about Greens remaining a force.

Time that Labor really took them on for the hypocrites that they are.
Greens votes are typically disaffected ALP that are prime for winning back should ALP show some guts and explain who they really are.

As for the modern trend  to pick minors just because they aren't a major, then Shooters and Sex parties (whatever they call themselves this week)
have shown themselves to be far more competent and credible parliament performers than Greens.

cheers
John

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