2018 State Election / Transport

 
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Media release, here from Emma Kealy, not sure how to get the link, so cut n paste.



Kealy calls for firm commitment to return passenger rail

The Nationals re-elected Member for Lowan, Emma Kealy has called on the Andrews Labor Government to provide a firm commitment to return passenger rail services to Horsham and Hamilton, after Great Southern Rail announced The Overland will cease operation at the end of this year.

“The return of passenger rail services to Horsham and Hamilton was a major commitment made by The Nationals during the election campaign and was emphatically supported by Lowan voters,” Ms Kealy said.

“I have been working hard for the return of passenger rail services to western Victoria and given this recent announcement, this project must be a priority for the Andrews Labor Government.

“The Overland is the only passenger rail service in our region connecting us to Melbourne and Adelaide.

“Given our only rail service will cease at the end of this year, it is now more important than ever that Daniel Andrews makes good on his commitment to ‘deliver for all Victorians’ by bringing back passenger rail services to Horsham and Hamilton.

“I call on the Andrews Labor Government to act quickly to deliver this critical project and the significant benefits it will provide for western Victoria,” she said.

The Overland runs twice a week between Adelaide and Melbourne, carrying about 17,000 passengers a year. The service stops in Murray Bridge, Bordertown, Nhill, Dimboola, Horsham, Stawell, Ararat and Geelong.


Some varying passenger figures, getting bandied around, here, Emma reports 17,000 and have seen 35,000, any ideas.

Probably worth giving the cage a bit of a rattle, as the election accolades, wind down.

BigShunter.

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Being a Ripon voter myself, I found it strange that, despite it always being said that it would be close, that
there was practically no 'publicity' from the 2 major parties.

I do not know what Louise (Liberal) or Sarah (Labor) had plans to do for Stawell or our area, as they didn't
tell us anything.

I received no posted information from either party, I did not even get the usual "Here is a postal
vote...remember me when you vote" application.

I got a generic "Labor will give you free Tafe and solar panels" card, in the letterbox.
I got nothing from the Liberals.

External adverts were just a picture of a face saying "vote for Louise" or "vote for Sarah".

During the last week of the election the newspaper had "You decide" as a headline, with a copy of the ballot
paper, but nothing inside giving me a reason to vote for anyone.

The apathy of our generation rang true for locals and our Council and the Labor candidate.
I could of dreamed up lots of anti-Liberal publicity.....

Sarah at the 'closed' Stawell station at 6am with Mrs Mac sitting outside in the cold, waiting for the bus in 4
degree temperatures in the rain...

Sarah at Ararat with hard hat and vest as the 'Fruity' takes an hour to run around at Pyrenees loop.

Sarah sitting in her car at a level crossing at Amphitheatre as the 'fruity' with its original 60 wagons
plods along at a 10 kph speed restriction on the new line, blocking the highway for 10 minutes !

Then she could have said that Louise did nothing to help our region in her 4 years in office, it has only gotten
worse.

But she didn't !!

Gee if she won by only a few votes and it took 10 days to recount the result, think of how many extra votes she
could have got in Stawell alone, if she promised to just re-man the station.

But she didn't !

Is she going to fight for the pass return to Horsham ???
Who knows, she never said.

Did our Council ask for promises of things to improve the town from its downward turn.  
Not that I read about.

Did the locals write to the media, complain to the Council, write to Louise or Sarah ???

We were told nothing, we were obviously happy and couldn't care less, and what happens, happens !

I thought moving to a country town , the caring factor would be different then the apathy of Melbourne, but it
wasn't, and it is very sad to see....we are slowly dieing, and no one  seems to care !

So SG or BG or DG ???
Pass to Horsham ??
Stawell station ??
Ararat triangle ??

We know nothing !!
Gavin J
I'm afraid everything points towards the Government not having any plans for rail passenger services beyond Ararat, all to hard and expensive.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Being a Ripon voter myself, I found it strange that, despite it always being said that it would be close, that
there was practically no 'publicity' from the 2 major parties.
....
We know nothing !!
I'm afraid everything points towards the Government not having any plans for rail passenger services beyond Ararat, all to hard and expensive.
Nightfire
Sad
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

As an amusing aside, Andrew Lund of Channel 9 has started something of a trend this campaign among the state politics journos of catching - or attempting to catch - public transport to the Premier's public transport pressers. This has resulted on more than one occasion in the whole shebang being held up because several media outlets are on delayed trains, trams or buses.
  Gavin J Junior Train Controller

Location: Stawell
"@GavinJ, id be interested in your thoughts on my question of a couple of days ago - see up thread a little -
what would Ripon voters (eg in Ararat and Maryborough mainly) think of disrupted services for conversion of
these lines to SG, and having to change trains at Ballarat for Melbourne, but with a potential direct service to
Geelong (North Shore) and possibly Horsham/the Wimmera? "

As stated, apathy and ignorance mean that they would care very little.

There is still a lot of emotion involved in the "we want our train back" screamings of people.

So the people of Mildura want to travel by train again...ok folks we have replaced your rather quick Mildura bus
to Swan Hill , then train to Melbourne service, with a train service as you wanted....

Your train will plod along at 80 kph
it will slow to 40 kph entering each crossing loop departing at 25 kph to split the points
it will be slowing to 60 kph at numerous dangerous xings
it will run via the scenic route from Maryborough to Ararat  thence via Cressy to Melbourne.

Your previous bus/train took 6 hours...
your new train service will take 12 hours....there it is...use it !

They just spent $240 million on converting the Mildura line to a poor standard, I don't see them starting again
to fix it properly.

The general public don't understand the SG/BG problems, as was seem earlier in the year with the Consortium up
here stating they could purchase a railmotor and start running trains tomorrow !

Front page headlines....MPs blurting, Councils showing up for photo opportunity waving their fist
"We want our train back"
locals saying how good it will be..
me, my sarcastic self , telling them, "it just ain't gonna happen".

Fast forward 8 months, we have an election, we have a marginal seat, has the train started ? No !
is there a big campaign from locals or Council to get the local candidates to promise to do it. No !
Do people talk about it in the street. No !

Yesterday and today the passengers at Stawell waiting for the bus, are still waiting outside in the 38c heat,
whilst the $300 000 air conditioned waiting room is shut up.
Are these people text-testing out new member Sarah ? or the Council ? or the newspaper ??
Probably not.

Are our Councillers at the station waving their fists, that this isnt good enough, we'll show them next election
(oops, thats right, we just had an election.....did we fight...NO)

Everyone just accepts it all....until the next campaign starts up, photo opptunities then back to not caring.
We can't fight to have our station opened, what hope have we got to get the train back (and of course not
mentioning the loss of the Overland next year).

Last year they even finally let Emma the MP for Horsham, know that if a train did get running, it would still
need to change over at Ararat....so some of her emotional bleatings of
"imagine an elderly person could board a fast train at Horsham and go stright thru to Melbourne for their
medical appointments"
she had to ammend this to, "but you would still need to change trains at Ararat"

Being an ex rail employee and being a gunzel, I have seen it all. The promises, the lies, the things that didn't
happen.

Not being offensive, but the general public really don't have much general knowledge of the world beyond their
own little lives.
Gee, many people still believe that after midnight, all the station lights turn off, the streetlights go out,
the traffic lights go off.....because in their little world, the world outside shuts down when they go to bed at
10pm.

When I started with the railways, telling neighbours I started work at 2am or finishing work at 4am, dumbfounded
them..."who is around at those hours."

When I moved up to Stawell, people asked me about the trains that run past.....as to why they don't stop, where
are they going.
When you told them they were mainly all going to Perth / Adelaide, apart from the 2 local trains of the Dooen
and Sand train, they were amazed.

They still thought Stawell, Ballarat, Horsham all still had goods trains that delivered the groceries, the
reason they didn't see them, was because they travelled at night !

Believe it or not !

Go to the Ararat Council website, under business
https://www.ararat.vic.gov.au/business-lifestyle
the Council know the railway is there...they know which direction it travels to, but they obviously don't look
out their window to see the real railway action or lack off.

So they tell prospective business interests
"Ararat has excellent passenger and rail freight connections to Ballarat, Melbourne, Adelaide and the Port of
Portland in the south."
Hmmmmm, the statement is true but the practical side is non existent.

I'll ring up PN tomorrow and say I've just opened a new industry in Ararat, thanks to the Council, then I tell
them I wish to transport 20 containers a day to Ballarat.
What is the response going to be ?....after the guffaws, they would say, sorry sir, that is not (physically)
possible....

But the Ararat Council said...."Ararat has excellent passenger and rail freight connections to Ballarat,
Melbourne, Adelaide and the Port of Portland in the south."

Ok, so can I move them to Maryborough ? Portland ? Melbourne ? Adelaide ?
" Sorry sir, no loading area, no wagons, no train (paths), no locos, no crews.....umm we don't really want to
know"
As they hang up , laughing all the way.

But the Ararat Council said......

well Ararat Council, when was the last time any freight came out of your towns railway yard ?
The LCL freightgate traffic from what, 10 years ok.
Yet their website clearly states.....the rail transport option is available.....but not one company has used it
in over 10 years.

Ignorance.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

There is still a lot of emotion involved in the "we want our train back" screamings of people.

So the people of Mildura want to travel by train again...ok folks we have replaced your rather quick Mildura bus
to Swan Hill , then train to Melbourne service, with a train service as you wanted....

Your train will plod along at 80 kph
it will slow to 40 kph entering each crossing loop departing at 25 kph to split the points
it will be slowing to 60 kph at numerous dangerous xings
it will run via the scenic route from Maryborough to Ararat  thence via Cressy to Melbourne.

Your previous bus/train took 6 hours...
your new train service will take 12 hours....there it is...use it !
Gavin J

This is the kind of stupidity I've come to expect from some of the clowns...err posters that 'grace' this Forum.

Ali Cupper, the newly elected MP for Mildura WILL get her wish to meet the Premier, Minister for Public Transport AND the Minister for Health regards the disaster that passes for a public hospital in Mildura and she will also discuss stage two of the Mildura line upgrade and it won't consist of 40Km/h points and 70 line of sight speed restrictions and 80Km/h track speed after the SG V'Locity is eventually re-introduced, despite the bitterness and mean-spiritedness being espoused in the above quoted text.

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Well, a wild twist this afternoon - Louise Staley has retained Ripon in the recount by 15 votes!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Well, a wild twist this afternoon - Louise Staley has retained Ripon in the recount by 15 votes!
potatoinmymouth

I'd given up on Ripon unfortunately...But some of the others were real shockers. Bayswater, Box Hill, Hawthorn and of course the NIMBY's in the sandbelt seats that just vanished with those huge swings.

Mike.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
It's far better to be a marginal seat - the money will be spent here so they can try and win it next time.

Labor's campaign seemed to rely on other organisations picking up the slack for them. Lots of environmental groups talking down Louise about her lack of support for renewables - the wind farms are a booming business and massive investment in the community here. Louise's billboards were just pictures of her face on yellow backgrounds - made her look like a Palmer United Candidate, not a Liberal.

Labor apparently tipped a lot of money in to try and win - they won't be happy with the result at all. I'm expecting a few more weekend services, and maybe even a commitment for 6 daily return trains by the time the next election rolls around. The council is also wanting to do up the area around the railway station, so expect some funding for that to be readily available.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Ali Cupper, the newly elected MP for Mildura WILL get her wish to meet the Premier, Minister for Public Transport AND the Minister for Health regards the disaster that passes for a public hospital in Mildura and she will also discuss stage two of the Mildura line upgrade and it won't consist of 40Km/h points and 70 line of sight speed restrictions and 80Km/h track speed after the SG V'Locity is eventually re-introduced, despite the bitterness and mean-spiritedness being espoused in the above quoted text.
"The Vinelander"
Who's looking after the Money Tree?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Ali Cupper, the newly elected MP for Mildura WILL get her wish to meet the Premier, Minister for Public Transport AND the Minister for Health regards the disaster that passes for a public hospital in Mildura and she will also discuss stage two of the Mildura line upgrade and it won't consist of 40Km/h points and 70 line of sight speed restrictions and 80Km/h track speed after the SG V'Locity is eventually re-introduced, despite the bitterness and mean-spiritedness being espoused in the above quoted text.
Who's looking after the Money Tree?
Valvegear
Has anyone yet come up with a business case for a passenger rail service to Mildura ?

Or Is It just a case of some people screaming like spoiled children that they want a fast train service, regardless of the tax payer cost to establish and maintain.

The only service that would probably work would be a slow overnight service running within a 12 hour journey time window, using cascaded Albury line rolling stock (no lay down sleeping accommodation)
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Ali Cupper, the newly elected MP for Mildura WILL get her wish to meet the Premier, Minister for Public Transport AND the Minister for Health regards the disaster that passes for a public hospital in Mildura and she will also discuss stage two of the Mildura line upgrade and it won't consist of 40Km/h points and 70 line of sight speed restrictions and 80Km/h track speed after the SG V'Locity is eventually re-introduced, despite the bitterness and mean-spiritedness being espoused in the above quoted text.
Who's looking after the Money Tree?
Valvegear
Not sure if Mike has found out yet, I think it's don...........Laughing

BigShunter.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Ali Cupper, the newly elected MP for Mildura WILL get her wish to meet the Premier, Minister for Public Transport AND the Minister for Health regards the disaster that passes for a public hospital in Mildura and she will also discuss stage two of the Mildura line upgrade and it won't consist of 40Km/h points and 70 line of sight speed restrictions and 80Km/h track speed after the SG V'Locity is eventually re-introduced, despite the bitterness and mean-spiritedness being espoused in the above quoted text.
Who's looking after the Money Tree?
Valvegear

Please read this thoroughly...before commenting further... Smile

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-22/vic-labor-borrow-billions-coalition-promise-reduce-debt/10521436

Mike.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Well, a wild twist this afternoon - Louise Staley has retained Ripon in the recount by 15 votes!

I'd given up on Ripon unfortunately...But some of the others were real shockers. Bayswater, Box Hill, Hawthorn and of course the NIMBY's in the sandbelt seats that just vanished with those huge swings.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I think the anti-skyrail souffle that Guy and Davis tried to confect didn't bake. The sandbelt voters didn't go for their offering which was more BS than souffle.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/a5rdqn/metros_new_strategy_cut_arms_and_legs_off_of_you/
Seen this a couple of times with Xtrap doors

This isn’t good at all, dangerous X’Trapolis doors that could cause injury. Always found them strong and pretty hard to force open if you’re about to miss the train
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Righto, Vline's annual report is still nowhere to be seen nearly three months after it should've been made public.  Strange.

I agree with others that many politicians and candidates were utterly clueless on the details of what's required to fix our railway system during the election campaign.

Interesting too that in a leaked Lib party memo that was in the news this week that number 2 of why they were in trouble is the fact they "Did nothing" between 2010-2014. Yep.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Righto, Vline's annual report is still nowhere to be seen nearly three months after it should've been made public.  Strange.

I agree with others that many politicians and candidates were utterly clueless on the details of what's required to fix our railway system during the election campaign.

Interesting too that in a leaked Lib party memo that was in the news this week that number 2 of why they were in trouble is the fact they "Did nothing" between 2010-2014. Yep.
Carnot

Err...not quite.

Epsom.
Talbot.
Rowsley Loop.

any other advice regards Lib/Nat PT works between 2014 & 2018 Question

Mike.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Interesting too that in a leaked Lib party memo that was in the news this week that number 2 of why they were in trouble is the fact they "Did nothing" between 2010-2014. Yep.

Err...not quite.

Epsom.
Talbot.
Rowsley Loop.

any other advice regards Lib/Nat PT works between 2014 & 2018 Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
I'm sure that they are referring to the public perception that they did nothing which there certainly was and still is judging by the recent election result. After being elected on a wave of disgruntled Frankston line voters Ted Baillieu then spent an eternity sitting on his hands. By the time they got around to actually doing anything it was too late and they were swept out of office by a similar bunch of voters wanting something done about PT, congestion etc.

I remember Ol' Draino on ABC radio Melbourne asking Big Ted on more than one occasion when they were going to actually build something. The perception was that he was a really nice guy but rudderless. Napthine was a tryer but he was flogging a dead horse by that stage (and not hard enough for it to be magically revived!)

BG
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The LNP also did nothing as an opposition between 2014 and 2018. There was no detailed policy development. Its website consisted of links to press releases, a lot of them added at the last minute as the election approached. The $19 billion high-speed country rail project got the same detail and space as a $9 million food-tech innovation voucher program.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Well, a wild twist this afternoon - Louise Staley has retained Ripon in the recount by 15 votes!

I'd given up on Ripon unfortunately...But some of the others were real shockers. Bayswater, Box Hill, Hawthorn and of course the NIMBY's in the sandbelt seats that just vanished with those huge swings.

Mike.
I think the anti-skyrail souffle that Guy and Davis tried to confect didn't bake. The sandbelt voters didn't go for their offering which was more BS than souffle.
ParkesHub

Correct.  The "NoSkyRail Soufflé" was heavily astroturfed, with Lib party money trying to drum up noise.  There was a core of angry NIMBYs, but most locals around Seaford are pretty happy with the construction so far.  A whole bunch of much ado about nothing.

Bentleigh, Mordialloc and Carrum were among the seats that swung hardest TO Labor across the entire state.  I think only Yan Yean swung further (and that's partly because the Lib candidate was dumped making videos with the Neo Nazis).
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Well, a wild twist this afternoon - Louise Staley has retained Ripon in the recount by 15 votes!

I'd given up on Ripon unfortunately...But some of the others were real shockers. Bayswater, Box Hill, Hawthorn and of course the NIMBY's in the sandbelt seats that just vanished with those huge swings.

Mike.
I think the anti-skyrail souffle that Guy and Davis tried to confect didn't bake. The sandbelt voters didn't go for their offering which was more BS than souffle.

Correct.  The "NoSkyRail Soufflé" was heavily astroturfed, with Lib party money trying to drum up noise.  There was a core of angry NIMBYs, but most locals around Seaford are pretty happy with the construction so far.  A whole bunch of much ado about nothing.

Bentleigh, Mordialloc and Carrum were among the seats that swung hardest TO Labor across the entire state.  I think only Yan Yean swung further (and that's partly because the Lib candidate was dumped making videos with the Neo Nazis).
Adogs
The Liberals will more or less have to drop their no skyrails stance, as It seemed that they only jumped on board with the no skyrails mob to be anti Labor Government (try junk one of their flagship polices)

But they just painted themselves Into a dark lonely corner.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Has anyone yet come up with a business case for a passenger rail service to Mildura ?

Or Is It just a case of some people screaming like spoiled children that they want a fast train service, regardless of the tax payer cost to establish and maintain.

The only service that would probably work would be a slow overnight service running within a 12 hour journey time window, using cascaded Albury line rolling stock (no lay down sleeping accommodation)
Nightfire
It's been done to death - but a slow overnight train is the most realistic option vs. a slow moving day train.

Yes - I'm looking after the VIC budget and I say that the money is going to be spend in and around Melbourne - not on restoring a train service to Mildura.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Has anyone yet come up with a business case for a passenger rail service to Mildura ?

Or Is It just a case of some people screaming like spoiled children that they want a fast train service, regardless of the tax payer cost to establish and maintain.

The only service that would probably work would be a slow overnight service running within a 12 hour journey time window, using cascaded Albury line rolling stock (no lay down sleeping accommodation)
It's been done to death - but a slow overnight train is the most realistic option vs. a slow moving day train.

Yes - I'm looking after the VIC budget and I say that the money is going to be spend in and around Melbourne - not on restoring a train service to Mildura.
don_dunstan

Nobody is interested in a half asre, slow, rail motor speed of service and I'm certain the new Member for Mildura isn't either.

Therefore a staged improvement to the track and infrastructure including stations over a period of time...say an election cycle would be in the best interests of the states' budget and the local strong advocacy in Sunraysia.

Many people can see a big benefit for the economic development of the north west of Victoria for this project, including towns that cannot be served by air like Ouyen, Birchip, Donald and St Arnaud...except for a few armchair commentators in this forum.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Yes, the city of Ouyen is just waiting to burst forth into economic prosperity if only the VIC government would spend hundreds of millions to return a passenger service that's been gone for 25 years.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Yes, the city of Ouyen is just waiting to burst forth into economic prosperity if only the VIC government would spend hundreds of millions to return a passenger service that's been gone for 25 years.
don_dunstan

Exactly the kind of response I was fishing for... (insert fishing rod emoji here)



You SA guys...as I wrote in another thread just don't get it...so we informed Victorian's just have to make allowances.

Mike.

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